WTH is wrong w you guys

[mondayamqb]

Guaranteed by the 11th amendment of the Bill of Rights of the Constitution of the United States of America under God.

 

[George Ferguson]

I don't see it as good fan/bad fan as much as I see it as people who are realistic and live in the real world and people who live in a fairytale world.

Examples:

Real World: Griz lose, fan is upset, sad, mad, frustrated, whatever, still gets up, goes to work the next Monday, still loves the Griz, with the understanding that in the real world, you don't always get what you want, and in the real world of athletics, teams lose, players play bad, coaches coach bad. It happens.

La La Land: Griz lose, fan is upset, sad, mad, frustrated, whatever, comes to message board or goes to office and says he's a better coach than Stitt, says he's a better QB than Brady, says Caleb Kidder is overrated, says that he is a Montana taxpayer, therefore is part owner of the Grizzlies and therefore is entitled to winning, a say in who coaches, a say in who plays and a say in what plays are called.

 

[PlayerRep]

hmmmm...
I don't post here often but this good fan bad fan crap really upsets me. I am a rose colored glasses person. I think my teams are gonna win their respective titles every year. but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to notice when something is wrong. as a broncos fan was I suppose to be ok with josh mcdaniels ruining my team? yes he knows way more about football than I do but it doesn't change the fact that he wasn't good at it. I was not cheering for the broncos to lose but I wanted a change for what wasn't working. being the second worst team in the nfl I was not gonna sit there and say this is great... no I am not the one qualified to make those decisions, but why cant I speculate what I think will work. I also would never look down on these kids for playing poorly. I will point it out and say it should be better. if they don't want to be criticized they don't have to take the scholarship. now I think im how I am a fan is good but I cant really say how everybody else should be a fan. ill be a fan how I think is good and you can do the same for yourself, just don't tell me how to I should be a fan.

Several comments.

NFL football is different than college football at the FCS level. The criticism at the NFL level comes with the big bucks.

No one says you can't express your views or notice when something is wrong. But people like me get to express our views too, and if you unfairly criticize and complain, we just might exercise our right to complain and call you a bad fan. It's a two-way street.

Don't you agree that some players are good players and some aren't? Or, are they all just players to you?

I never understood why some people became crybabies when someone disagreed with their views. They act like their view is sacred, and no one should be allowed to disagree with it or state their view.

 

[Paytonlives]

I would bet that most if not all of the mo's the that post the knee jerk comments became UM fans after 1990. I.E. they have no memories of what truly bad Griz football looks like.

Really some of the post lately are beyond rediculus. Spoiled by success and blinded by selfishness.

If UM football is in such a tailspin, then ask yourself this. How many FCS coaching staffs would trade their rosters for the Griz roster? Remembering that there are 125 FCS teams... how many?

My guess is More than 110.

So to all the spoiled and selfish fans. Feel free to look at FCS crew east of Missoula. That's what a 5 alarm fire looks like and in the 80's the Griz were even worse.

Feel free to jump off the bandwagon you now perch your ass on and plant it onto the kitty wagon. Their stadium has room and you will fit right in.

My guess would be 15-20, you don't get how far the program has fallen.

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This shows how little you know about the FCS. And yes there is a seat available for you in Bozeman

 

[Yukon]

So, so majestic..

 

[UMGriz75]

IReal World: Griz lose, fan is upset, sad, mad, frustrated, whatever, still gets up, goes to work the next Monday, still loves the Griz, with the understanding that in the real world, you don't always get what you want, and in the real world of athletics, teams lose, players play bad, coaches coach bad. It happens.

Everyone gets Participation Medal. Real World. :roll:

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

IReal World: Griz lose, fan is upset, sad, mad, frustrated, whatever, still gets up, goes to work the next Monday, still loves the Griz, with the understanding that in the real world, you don't always get what you want, and in the real world of athletics, teams lose, players play bad, coaches coach bad. It happens.

Everyone gets Participation Medal. Real World. :roll:

I see it more as not feeling entitled to something you can't control. Havre pretty much nails it.

If people want to take the performance of 18-23 year-olds playing a game personally, that is their deal. Let them be miserable. However, I don't see the argument that people who don't take personally some how correlates to belief in participation trophies. My experience is that the most valuable fans/boosters are those that are able to express their opinions, positive or negative, with respect for the efforts of the players and coaches. Throwing out insults as "he sucks", "he is overrated", etc have no substance and reflect a lack of understanding.

 

[George Ferguson]

IReal World: Griz lose, fan is upset, sad, mad, frustrated, whatever, still gets up, goes to work the next Monday, still loves the Griz, with the understanding that in the real world, you don't always get what you want, and in the real world of athletics, teams lose, players play bad, coaches coach bad. It happens.

Everyone gets Participation Medal. Real World. :roll:

I see it more as not feeling entitled to something you can't control. Havre pretty much nails it.

If people want to take the performance of 18-23 year-olds playing a game personally, that is their deal. Let them be miserable. However, I don't see the argument that people who don't take personally some how correlates to belief in participation trophies. My experience is that the most valuable fans/boosters are those that are able to express their opinions, positive or negative, with respect for the efforts of the players and coaches. Throwing out insults as "he sucks", "he is overrated", etc have no substance and reflect a lack of understanding.

Blitz, you nailed it. Control is an operative word. It's along the lines of what I'm saying. A select few Griz fans can't handle the real world fact that they don't have, and don't get any control over Griz football. And that isn't accepting mediocrity and has nothing to do with participation trophies. It's a FACT of life.

 

[mikegriz]

I don't see it as good fan/bad fan as much as I see it as people who are realistic and live in the real world and people who live in a fairytale world.

Examples:

Real World: Griz lose, fan is upset, sad, mad, frustrated, whatever, still gets up, goes to work the next Monday, still loves the Griz, with the understanding that in the real world, you don't always get what you want, and in the real world of athletics, teams lose, players play bad, coaches coach bad. It happens.

La La Land: Griz lose, fan is upset, sad, mad, frustrated, whatever, comes to message board or goes to office and says he's a better coach than Stitt, says he's a better QB than Brady, says Caleb Kidder is overrated, says that he is a Montana taxpayer, therefore is part owner of the Grizzlies and therefore is entitled to winning, a say in who coaches, a say in who plays and a say in what plays are called.

:thumb:

 

[mikegriz]

IReal World: Griz lose, fan is upset, sad, mad, frustrated, whatever, still gets up, goes to work the next Monday, still loves the Griz, with the understanding that in the real world, you don't always get what you want, and in the real world of athletics, teams lose, players play bad, coaches coach bad. It happens.

Everyone gets Participation Medal. Real World. :roll:

I see it more as not feeling entitled to something you can't control. Havre pretty much nails it.

If people want to take the performance of 18-23 year-olds playing a game personally, that is their deal. Let them be miserable. However, I don't see the argument that people who don't take personally some how correlates to belief in participation trophies. My experience is that the most valuable fans/boosters are those that are able to express their opinions, positive or negative, with respect for the efforts of the players and coaches. Throwing out insults as "he sucks", "he is overrated", etc have no substance and reflect a lack of understanding.

Blitz, you nailed it. Control is an operative word. It's along the lines of what I'm saying. A select few Griz fans can't handle the real world fact that they don't have, and don't get any control over Griz football. And that isn't accepting mediocrity and has nothing to do with participation trophies. It's a FACT of life.

Life? One sometimes gets the feeling that some eGrizzers don't actually have a life

 

[UMGriz75]

IReal World: Griz lose, fan is upset, sad, mad, frustrated, whatever, still gets up, goes to work the next Monday, still loves the Griz, with the understanding that in the real world, you don't always get what you want, and in the real world of athletics, teams lose, players play bad, coaches coach bad. It happens.

Everyone gets Participation Medal. Real World. :roll:

I see it more as not feeling entitled to something you can't control. Havre pretty much nails it.

If people want to take the performance of 18-23 year-olds playing a game personally, that is their deal. Let them be miserable.

Exactly my G--D-- point. It's not the 18-23 year olds. Win or lose, they are what this is about. It's when the $300,000 a year coach starts to flim and flam and blame the players that "fans" are entitled -- yes, entitled -- to call "foul." Yes, you can control it. You hire a new coach. Pretending otherwise it punishes the players. And yes, you can lose with dignity. That's up to the coach as well. If he can't do it: same result. God, get a grip. If you can't support the players and the purpose of the sport, then pontificate about something else. This isn't it.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

IReal World: Griz lose, fan is upset, sad, mad, frustrated, whatever, still gets up, goes to work the next Monday, still loves the Griz, with the understanding that in the real world, you don't always get what you want, and in the real world of athletics, teams lose, players play bad, coaches coach bad. It happens.

Everyone gets Participation Medal. Real World. :roll:

I see it more as not feeling entitled to something you can't control. Havre pretty much nails it.

If people want to take the performance of 18-23 year-olds playing a game personally, that is their deal. Let them be miserable.

Exactly my G--D-- point. It's not the 18-23 year olds. Win or lose, they are what this is about. It's when the $300,000 a year coach starts to flim and flam and blame the players that "fans" are entitled -- yes, entitled -- to call "foul." Yes, you can control it. You hire a new coach. Pretending otherwise it punishes the players. And yes, you can lose with dignity. That's up to the coach as well. If he can't do it: same result. God, get a grip. If you can't support the players and the purpose of the sport, then pontificate about something else. This isn't it.

Yeah... we know your stance. You don't like Stitt's public demeanor, or at least you strongly imply that. Fans can grieve about a coach's treatment of players if they feel it is warranted. Maybe you do, and that's fine, your life, your choice to stomp your feet, reiterate salaries, reiterate a tweet from a former player, your time and trouble to make long-winded posts about how you feel, your time to take opposing points-of-view personally. Control on coaching though? No. Sorry you have none. In reality, fans be-groaning a coach anonymously have no control on whether a coach is fired. Personally, I choose to support the players and the coaches, it isn't an either/or him/them decision. By most accounts that I've heard and seen, the team appears to be tight and the players that are still here support the coach for the most part.

BTW, you do make some good posts and points on some topics.

 

[rimrockgriz]

I have 28 years of coaching experience and I played four years of college ball. So, let me tell you something.
#1 - The attitude of the fans, so goes the team. If you talk crap about your team, guess what happens. The teams moral and abilities go down. I have seen it many times.
#2 - Some of you have never coached or played the game. How and the hell can you decide who should play and when, just because your pissed off about a loss. Do you know the schemes, the reads, the play call. Of course you don't. You don't know any of it, yet you talk like your the one calling the shots and know everything about all there is to know about football. You don't. So just support your favorite team whether they win or lose. What's important is how does your team bounce back from a loss. Hard to do that if your fan base is talking shit about something they don't even know anything about.
#3 - This offense is based off of reads. There are two to four options every play depending on how the defense lines up and how they move according to motion, etc. If you don't know those options, how and the hell do you know what your talking about. The only people who know those options are the coaches and players unless you have some inside lead no one else knows about. Please keep your arm chair QB opinions to a minimum. Once someone get's on here with experience, we actually sit back and laugh at your ignorance. Coaches don't tell you things for a reason. Sometimes people take too much information and destroy it with ignorance. Please be minimal in discussing what you don't even understand.
#4 - NEVER, under any circumstances, should a players injuries be mentioned on egriz. Are you trying to get them hurt further? Do you think other teams don't TROLL egriz? You are basically giving another opponent permission to target a player with an injury. Be smart. If you want to discuss injuries, go to the bar and have a drink, text each other, but do not discuss here and do not discuss rumors. You can discuss if they are going to play or not, but you don't have to discuss details of injuries.
#5 - A true Griz fan will love them no matter what. They won't call for a coaches head, or talk negatively about their players. They will support them and back them to the end. The Griz football team has some great players and coaches and they have next level players coming up the ranks and playing right now. They had a few rough games. So be it. But, what's important is that WE ALL SUPPORT THEM so they can learn and make a come back. This team is young! They are going to do a lot of great things.
#6 - Having coached, I can tell you this. It takes at least three years for a coach to REALLY change the team. I think Stitt is actually ahead of the curve. Most coaches are still far worse in their second year. Mark my words. 3-5 years under Stitt and the Griz will dominate.

The Montana Grizzlies have one of the greatest fan bases in the United States of America. However, we are far from perfect. When you harbor incredible passion, other characteristics spill over from time to time that may be considered negative at the moment. Such is life. Now, you may go and F*ck yourself should you desire to do so... :egriz:

 

[bgbigdog]

So, so majestic..

No, not like Urals.

 

[UMGriz75]

Control on coaching though? No. Sorry you have none. In reality, fans be-groaning a coach anonymously have no control on whether a coach is fired. Personally, I choose to support the players and the coaches, it isn't an either/or him/them decision.

Well, that's naive. Sometimes it has to be an "either/or" decision. Engstrom certainly made it an "either/or" decision, wrongly in my view, but blindly accepting that decision simply validates poor behaviors and leadership. Virtue-signalling by fans is what excuses coach failures. But, a coach is also a public employee and responsible to that public. Violate the trust, get criticized. Man up. An amateur sport like collegiate football isn't the NFL, it's still about the student athletes. A bunch of fanbots blindly salivating and running around is no friend of either a program or the players. Support the coach when he earns it; support the players always.

Any AD who forgets that the funding for this gigantic enterprise comes from "fans," and disregards "fan" viewpoints chooses a perilous course. There are varying degrees of sophistication about "sports" within the "fanbase." Insisting that all fans are ignorant and should therefore blindly support and follow any coach isn't "sports."

 

[signedbewildered]

IReal World: Griz lose, fan is upset, sad, mad, frustrated, whatever, still gets up, goes to work the next Monday, still loves the Griz, with the understanding that in the real world, you don't always get what you want, and in the real world of athletics, teams lose, players play bad, coaches coach bad. It happens.

Everyone gets Participation Medal. Real World. :roll:

I see it more as not feeling entitled to something you can't control. Havre pretty much nails it.

If people want to take the performance of 18-23 year-olds playing a game personally, that is their deal. Let them be miserable.

Exactly my G--D-- point. It's not the 18-23 year olds. Win or lose, they are what this is about. It's when the $300,000 a year coach starts to flim and flam and blame the players that "fans" are entitled -- yes, entitled -- to call "foul." Yes, you can control it. You hire a new coach. Pretending otherwise it punishes the players. And yes, you can lose with dignity. That's up to the coach as well. If he can't do it: same result. God, get a grip. If you can't support the players and the purpose of the sport, then pontificate about something else. This isn't it.

Careful now. You're losing your temper in front of the kids.