WTH is wrong w you guys

[George Ferguson]

Well, CWGrizFan, let me be the first to welcome you to the World Wide Web. You may discover that not everybody agrees with each other or even with you. It can be frustrating, but for now, freedom of speech is still an American value. Let me show you how it works. By the way, I have 0 years of coaching experience and I played zero years of college ball. So, let me tell you something.

• #1 - Fans can do or feel whatever they want to. They are not obligated to be optimistic.
  
  #2 - First hand knowledge of football is not a prerequisite for having an opinion, and having first-hand knowledge doesn't automatically make you right.
  
  #3 - Sitting in our armchairs and discussing things we don't fully understand is not only okay, it's fun. Sometimes we laugh at ourselves and each other. That, too, is fun.
  
  #4 - I actually agree with you about the injury rumors. (There, see, the internet can be a happy place!)
  
  #5 - Fans don't have to love their teams, players, or coaches "no matter what." There's not some sort of contractual obligation to do so. So you be a fan your way, and I'll do it my way. Live and let live.
  
  #6 - Not having coached (not football, anyway), I can tell you this. Most sports fans live in the past and in the current moment, not in the future. Winning NOW solves everything.

#7 Flip side to that. Favorite teams don't guarantee fans anything including wins, preferred style of play, coaching decisions, quarterback decisions, choices of who the head coach should be, ect. no matter how much money said fans spend on their favorite team. Fans CHOOSE to be fans in all capacities. No favorite team comes to their house and holds a gun to their head to be a fan Paying for season tickets, hotel rooms, gas to and from game, sweatshirts, t-shirts, ect. is all an independent choice by said fan. They also have the option to CHOOSE not to do it. Hence, fans are entitled to nothing. #boom

 

[bgbigdog]

The Griz ran a trick play against EWU, it was dropped. If by shake things up you mean changing QB's. NOT gonna happen.

Batted down @ the line of scrimmage, but thanks for playing.

 

[grizindabox]

Is it OK.....to discuss....a poster's......hurt feelers.......

 

[Ringneck]

#5 - Fans don't have to love their teams, players, or coaches "no matter what." There's not some sort of contractual obligation to do so. So you be a fan your way, and I'll do it my way. Live and let live.

#7 Flip side to that. Favorite teams don't guarantee fans anything including wins, preferred style of play, coaching decisions, quarterback decisions, choices of who the head coach should be, ect. no matter how much money said fans spend on their favorite team. Fans CHOOSE to be fans in all capacities. No favorite team comes to their house and holds a gun to their head to be a fan Paying for season tickets, hotel rooms, gas to and from game, sweatshirts, t-shirts, ect. is all an independent choice by said fan. They also have the option to CHOOSE not to do it. Hence, fans are entitled to nothing. #boom

I'm not sure that's a flip side; it seems more like a consenting opinion. And it's one I agree with. In amateur sports, nobody owes anybody anything. The teams get to choose how and who to play. We get choose to be fans (or not) and how to express our fandom (or not).

 

[OmegaGRIZ]

I would bet that most if not all of the mo's the that post the knee jerk comments became UM fans after 1990. I.E. they have no memories of what truly bad Griz football looks like.

Really some of the post lately are beyond rediculus. Spoiled by success and blinded by selfishness.

If UM football is in such a tailspin, then ask yourself this. How many FCS coaching staffs would trade their rosters for the Griz roster? Remembering that there are 125 FCS teams... how many?

My guess is More than 110.

So to all the spoiled and selfish fans. Feel free to look at FCS crew east of Missoula. That's what a 5 alarm fire looks like and in the 80's the Griz were even worse.

Feel free to jump off the bandwagon you now perch your ass on and plant it onto the kitty wagon. Their stadium has room and you will fit right in.

My guess would be 15-20, you don't get how far the program has fallen.

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[griz5700]

2-3 in BSC play.

 

[PlayerRep]

Well, CWGrizFan, let me be the first to welcome you to the World Wide Web. You may discover that not everybody agrees with each other or even with you. It can be frustrating, but for now, freedom of speech is still an American value. Let me show you how it works. By the way, I have 0 years of coaching experience and I played zero years of college ball. So, let me tell you something.

• #1 - Fans can do or feel whatever they want to. They are not obligated to be optimistic.
  
  #2 - First hand knowledge of football is not a prerequisite for having an opinion, and having first-hand knowledge doesn't automatically make you right.
  
  #3 - Sitting in our armchairs and discussing things we don't fully understand is not only okay, it's fun. Sometimes we laugh at ourselves and each other. That, too, is fun.
  
  #4 - I actually agree with you about the injury rumors. (There, see, the internet can be a happy place!)
  
  #5 - Fans don't have to love their teams, players, or coaches "no matter what." There's not some sort of contractual obligation to do so. So you be a fan your way, and I'll do it my way. Live and let live.
  
  #6 - Not having coached (not football, anyway), I can tell you this. Most sports fans live in the past and in the current moment, not in the future. Winning NOW solves everything.

CWGriz seems to be talking about good fans. You seem to be talking about bad fans.

 

[UMGriz75]

#6 - Having coached, I can tell you this. It takes at least three years for a coach to REALLY change the team. I think Stitt is actually ahead of the curve. Most coaches are still far worse in their second year. Mark my words. 3-5 years under Stitt and the Griz will dominate.

The astounding staying power of this logical fallacy is really something. College football is a zero-sum sport. If all coaches are at their worst in their second year and they all get better after their second year, all we have to do is just wait until all the college coaches get into their third year or more, right? Everybody gets not only a participation medal, everybody wins!

This goofy notion is statistically impossible. The history of Griz football proves it is. Of the last nine Grizzly football coaches that coached three or more years as head Griz coaches, all but one (Mick Delaney) had their worst scoring years at their third year or later.

If somebody wants to show how 125 FCS program coaches ALL get better with the passage of three years, let me know. Then explain how half of those programs get worse with the passage of time and how that supports the "recruit" theory.

 

[SoldierGriz]

I really don't think our bitching and moaning has any effect on team morale or abilities....

None. If it did, the Griz wouldn't win a game. Ever.

I wish our bitching and moaning fired them up. If it did, they wouldn't lose a game. Ever.

Ridiculous.

 

[Ursus1]

Well, CWGrizFan, let me be the first to welcome you to the World Wide Web. You may discover that not everybody agrees with each other or even with you. It can be frustrating, but for now, freedom of speech is still an American value. Let me show you how it works. By the way, I have 0 years of coaching experience and I played zero years of college ball. So, let me tell you something.

• #1 - Fans can do or feel whatever they want to. They are not obligated to be optimistic.
  
  #2 - First hand knowledge of football is not a prerequisite for having an opinion, and having first-hand knowledge doesn't automatically make you right.
  
  #3 - Sitting in our armchairs and discussing things we don't fully understand is not only okay, it's fun. Sometimes we laugh at ourselves and each other. That, too, is fun.
  
  #4 - I actually agree with you about the injury rumors. (There, see, the internet can be a happy place!)
  
  #5 - Fans don't have to love their teams, players, or coaches "no matter what." There's not some sort of contractual obligation to do so. So you be a fan your way, and I'll do it my way. Live and let live.
  
  #6 - Not having coached (not football, anyway), I can tell you this. Most sports fans live in the past and in the current moment, not in the future. Winning NOW solves everything.

CWGriz seems to be talking about good fans. You seem to be talking about bad fans.

"Bad"? Huge numbers of those "bad" fans fill the stadium, donate, but Griz gear, etc etc etc. I am not sure I would classify them as "bad", maybe just not rose colored glass wearing - jock sniffing - sugar coating - suck ups who only want to see/discuss positives, happiness, unicorns and maybe pretty butterflies. Most of them want Stitt to be successful (I am sure some hope he flops ) because they love the Griz winning and could care less the name of the coaching they are winning. Start to struggle and that puts that coach in question, nature of the job. Win and you are loved *Stitt after 1st NDSU game. Lose and you are questioned. What have you done for me lately is reality, like it or not. Many coaches are three year wonders...1st year wonder how team will do with you, 2nd year wonder what the hell is going on, 3rd year wonder how to get rid of you or keep you for ever. MSU stage one, UM in Stage 2..........next year will be interesting. I hope it is to "keep"because I hate losing at anything, hell I can't stand even losing weight!

 

[PlayerRep]

Well, CWGrizFan, let me be the first to welcome you to the World Wide Web. You may discover that not everybody agrees with each other or even with you. It can be frustrating, but for now, freedom of speech is still an American value. Let me show you how it works. By the way, I have 0 years of coaching experience and I played zero years of college ball. So, let me tell you something.

• #1 - Fans can do or feel whatever they want to. They are not obligated to be optimistic.
  
  #2 - First hand knowledge of football is not a prerequisite for having an opinion, and having first-hand knowledge doesn't automatically make you right.
  
  #3 - Sitting in our armchairs and discussing things we don't fully understand is not only okay, it's fun. Sometimes we laugh at ourselves and each other. That, too, is fun.
  
  #4 - I actually agree with you about the injury rumors. (There, see, the internet can be a happy place!)
  
  #5 - Fans don't have to love their teams, players, or coaches "no matter what." There's not some sort of contractual obligation to do so. So you be a fan your way, and I'll do it my way. Live and let live.
  
  #6 - Not having coached (not football, anyway), I can tell you this. Most sports fans live in the past and in the current moment, not in the future. Winning NOW solves everything.

CWGriz seems to be talking about good fans. You seem to be talking about bad fans.

"Bad"? Huge numbers of those "bad" fans fill the stadium, donate, but Griz gear, etc etc etc. I am not sure I would classify them as "bad", maybe just not rose colored glass wearing - jock sniffing - sugar coating - suck ups who only want to see/discuss positives, happiness, unicorns and maybe pretty butterflies. Most of them want Stitt to be successful (I am sure some hope he flops ) because they love the Griz winning and could care less the name of the coaching they are winning. Start to struggle and that puts that coach in question, nature of the job. Win and you are loved *Stitt after 1st NDSU game. Lose and you are questioned. What have you done for me lately is reality, like it or not. Many coaches are three year wonders...1st year wonder how team will do with you, 2nd year wonder what the hell is going on, 3rd year wonder how to get rid of you or keep you for ever. MSU stage one, UM in Stage 2..........next year will be interesting. I hope it is to "keep"because I hate losing at anything, hell I can't stand even losing weight!

Yes, still fans, but bad fans. Good fans support the team and don't bitch and complain.

 

[OmegaGRIZ]

Sheep do that

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[OmegaGRIZ]

I'm a sheepdog

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[nzone]

When Stitt signed on he knew the atmosphere. This stuff isn't a big surprise to him. He reminds us that we have to get back to being the Griz so I'm pretty sure he expects ridicule if things aren't going well, I'm sure he communicates it with the team, and I'm sure he has pretty thick skin. Players for the most part motivate themselves and I would think most just want to get back to film, the weight room, and practice to get things figured out. They don't like losing. This bull crap of good fan bad fan is just that.....bull crap.

 

[Ringneck]

#6 - Having coached, I can tell you this. It takes at least three years for a coach to REALLY change the team. I think Stitt is actually ahead of the curve. Most coaches are still far worse in their second year. Mark my words. 3-5 years under Stitt and the Griz will dominate.

The astounding staying power of this logical fallacy is really something. College football is a zero-sum sport. If all coaches are at their worst in their second year and they all get better after their second year, all we have to do is just wait until all the college coaches get into their third year or more, right? Everybody gets not only a participation medal, everybody wins!

This goofy notion is statistically impossible. The history of Griz football proves it is. Of the last nine Grizzly football coaches that coached three or more years as head Griz coaches, all but one (Mick Delaney) had their worst scoring years at their third year or later.

If somebody wants to show how 125 FCS program coaches ALL get better with the passage of three years, let me know. Then explain how half of those programs get worse with the passage of time and how that supports the "recruit" theory.

:clap:

 

[Ringneck]

CWGriz seems to be talking about good fans. You seem to be talking about bad fans.

Ha, and exactly who gets to determine this arbitrary standard of good and bad, when it comes to being a fan? Let me guess...only those who have played and/or coached the game?

 

[Proud Griz Man]

Stitt and Joe Glenn are long-time friends, and when Stitt took the Montana HC job on he knew the atmosphere and expectations. This stuff isn't a big surprise to him. He reminds us that we have to get back to being the Griz .

fixed it for you

 

[grizd]

Well, CWGrizFan, let me be the first to welcome you to the World Wide Web. You may discover that not everybody agrees with each other or even with you. It can be frustrating, but for now, freedom of speech is still an American value. Let me show you how it works. By the way, I have 0 years of coaching experience and I played zero years of college ball. So, let me tell you something.

• #1 - Fans can do or feel whatever they want to. They are not obligated to be optimistic.
  
  #2 - First hand knowledge of football is not a prerequisite for having an opinion, and having first-hand knowledge doesn't automatically make you right.
  
  #3 - Sitting in our armchairs and discussing things we don't fully understand is not only okay, it's fun. Sometimes we laugh at ourselves and each other. That, too, is fun.
  
  #4 - I actually agree with you about the injury rumors. (There, see, the internet can be a happy place!)
  
  #5 - Fans don't have to love their teams, players, or coaches "no matter what." There's not some sort of contractual obligation to do so. So you be a fan your way, and I'll do it my way. Live and let live.
  
  #6 - Not having coached (not football, anyway), I can tell you this. Most sports fans live in the past and in the current moment, not in the future. Winning NOW solves everything.

CWGriz seems to be talking about good fans. You seem to be talking about bad fans.

"Bad"? Huge numbers of those "bad" fans fill the stadium, donate, but Griz gear, etc etc etc. I am not sure I would classify them as "bad", maybe just not rose colored glass wearing - jock sniffing - sugar coating - suck ups who only want to see/discuss positives, happiness, unicorns and maybe pretty butterflies. Most of them want Stitt to be successful (I am sure some hope he flops ) because they love the Griz winning and could care less the name of the coaching they are winning. Start to struggle and that puts that coach in question, nature of the job. Win and you are loved *Stitt after 1st NDSU game. Lose and you are questioned. What have you done for me lately is reality, like it or not. Many coaches are three year wonders...1st year wonder how team will do with you, 2nd year wonder what the hell is going on, 3rd year wonder how to get rid of you or keep you for ever. MSU stage one, UM in Stage 2..........next year will be interesting. I hope it is to "keep"because I hate losing at anything, hell I can't stand even losing weight!

Yes, still fans, but bad fans. Good fans support the team and don't bitch and complain.

In North Korea this is the case. In Montana, fans can cheer and bemoan everything on the field. Anyone that has played understands that. In fact, I bet Coach Kramer wouldn't have referred to WA-Griz as the only SEC environment in the West if all our fans were "good".

 

[putter]

Why is it that people think if you criticize or have an opinion you are a bad fan? Now I agree you should never get personal about a player as they work their asses off, however, if a player has a bad game and someone says so how is that wrong? Montana fans pay a lot for tickets and have helped create, what Mike Cramer says, is the only SEC environment in the West so fans are vested in this program....monetarily and emotionally. Yes, this team is young and Stitt is only in his second year but having a fan base with high expectation keeps everyone on their toes...and that is a good thing.

 

[UMGriz75]

"Good" fans remember that this is about the players, and young men having a positive experience and learning how to win ... and lose, and learn from both experiences to become better players, better leaders, better participants in the larger society. As President Dennison often said, developing "mind, body and spirit." The "fans" ultimately are part and parcel of the system that hires the coach to achieve those goals for the players.

Naturally, fans want a head coach that sets a high bar for those achievements. It's a matter of holding coaches accountable for what they are doing for the program and ultimately, the players. Being a mindless sycophant is not useful to achieving the goals. Holding the coach accountable is.