WTF WAC

[AZGrizFan]

To think what we are losing out on by not jumping up...

Yes, playing road games with 4000 in attendance remains a strong perk. We should never look for a visible stage for our program.

And 2500 of those 4000 are there as fans of the Griz. :|

 

[bigskyguy]

It did not work so well for the Vandals.

 

[LDopaPDX]

I think the parameters of FBS and FCS will change in the next 5 years or so. There might be a third tier added to fit the in-between schools. I mean, really, what competition to the BCS monopoly are the WAC schools? Even if one of them has a screaming year, they'll still get shut out of a major bowl. It makes more sense to find a place where they can compete year-in and year-out for some kind of recognition.

 

[kemajic]

It did not work so well for the Vandals.

Clear proof that it would be the same for Montana.

 

[Hammer]

Grand Canyon University is the newest member to the WAC...and Denver is jumping ship to the summit league.

If the Griz were to schedule Grand Canyon University in football Spanky would be among the first to proclaim the need for the Griz to quit playing down and schedule some 1-A competition. Oh wait a minute......... :shock:

 

[kemajic]

Grand Canyon University is the newest member to the WAC...and Denver is jumping ship to the summit league.

If the Griz were to schedule Grand Canyon University in football Spanky would be among the first to proclaim the need for the Griz to quit playing down and schedule some 1-A competition. Oh wait a minute......... :shock:

Oh wait a minute......... :shock: It's a Bball scenario.

 

[Hammer]

Grand Canyon University is the newest member to the WAC...and Denver is jumping ship to the summit league.

If the Griz were to schedule Grand Canyon University in football Spanky would be among the first to proclaim the need for the Griz to quit playing down and schedule some 1-A competition. Oh wait a minute......... :shock:

Oh wait a minute......... :shock: It's a Bball scenario.

On a football board :shock:

 

[Grizbeer]

Idaho could be headed back to the Sunbelt, along with New Mexico State and Georgia Southern. Wonder if it would be for all sports, meaning Idaho again dumps the Big Sky, or just football? Football only makes the most sense.

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[Jerry Punch]

Grand Canyon University is the newest member to the WAC...and Denver is jumping ship to the summit league.

If the Griz were to schedule Grand Canyon University in football Spanky would be among the first to proclaim the need for the Griz to quit playing down and schedule some 1-A competition. Oh wait a minute......... :shock:

Oh wait a minute......... :shock: It's a Bball scenario.

Kemajic, I never saw that you responded to my point about the differences between SJU and LA Tech's unusually successful season this year and past abysmal seasons. It wasn't too long ago that Idaho won an astounding 7-8 games, and you were here trumpeting their success as a legitimate 1-A program. Now they are at the bottom of the barrel. I'm not saying the Griz can't move up, but what is with your love for the WAC?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Grand Canyon University is the newest member to the WAC...and Denver is jumping ship to the summit league.

If the Griz were to schedule Grand Canyon University in football Spanky would be among the first to proclaim the need for the Griz to quit playing down and schedule some 1-A competition. Oh wait a minute......... :shock:

Oh wait a minute......... :shock: It's a Bball scenario.

And Grand Canyon doesn't have a football team. :lol: :lol:

 

[kemajic]

Grand Canyon University is the newest member to the WAC...and Denver is jumping ship to the summit league.

If the Griz were to schedule Grand Canyon University in football Spanky would be among the first to proclaim the need for the Griz to quit playing down and schedule some 1-A competition. Oh wait a minute......... :shock:

Oh wait a minute......... :shock: It's a Bball scenario.

Kemajic, I never saw that you responded to my point about the differences between SJU and LA Tech's unusually successful season this year and past abysmal seasons. It wasn't too long ago that Idaho won an astounding 7-8 games, and you were here trumpeting their success as a legitimate 1-A program. Now they are at the bottom of the barrel. I'm not saying the Griz can't move up, but what is with your love for the WAC?

You are misunderstanding my lack of love for the the BSC and FCS as love for the WAC. Have never exhibited love for the WAC. But when posters go overboard piling on the WAC or any other FBS conferance, or bowl games vs. FCS playoffs, someone needs to remind of the facts.

But since you're so convinced how abysmal the WAC is relative to the BSC, do a little research into facts and post the WL record of WAC teams vs. BSC teams over the last ten years instead of making stupid statements backed up by nothing. Try using a few facts and data for a change.

Meanwhile, try to find an FCS playoff game on TV tomorrow and bet that the average attendance exceeds 7000....

 

[WaGriz4life]

How does the Big Sky conference not look at moving up the entire league? I don't think the best team in the WAC next year could finish better than 10th in the Big Sky. That is a dumpster fire of a conference that had their ESPN tv deal cut from $4million to $1 million after Boise left. I can't imagine they want to pay to broadcast Grand Canyon vs Cal State Bakersfield. The Big Sky would be a much more attractive option for them if they were all FBS.

So the winner of the Big Sky can play in the New Mexico Bowl?? You can't be serious...

I would much rather watch UM play Utah in the New Mexico Bowl than watch them play the Stony Brook Seawolves in the FCS playoffs. Dead serious

 

[Jerry Punch]

How does the Big Sky conference not look at moving up the entire league? I don't think the best team in the WAC next year could finish better than 10th in the Big Sky. That is a dumpster fire of a conference that had their ESPN tv deal cut from $4million to $1 million after Boise left. I can't imagine they want to pay to broadcast Grand Canyon vs Cal State Bakersfield. The Big Sky would be a much more attractive option for them if they were all FBS.

So the winner of the Big Sky can play in the New Mexico Bowl?? You can't be serious...

I would much rather watch UM play Utah in the New Mexico Bowl than watch them play the Stony Brook Seawolves in the FCS playoffs. Dead serious

You have made a number of posts asserting that the Griz would win games that they actually lost, some in laughable fashion. We'll take your opinion here with a grain of salt. Extreme confidence is not always a good thing, pal. Enjoy the New Mexico Bowl. I hear Alberquerque is beautiful this time of year.

 

[Jerry Punch]

Kemajic- I understand the W/L record over the last 10 years. That WAC doesn't exist anymore, though. It is gone. Most of those teams have moved on to bigger and better things. Other events have occured here in Missoula that change the game as well. A 5-6 Griz team does not exactly appear to be competitive in the Big Sky. What makes you think they could be competitive against the Old WAC?

In reality, I think the top echelon of Big Sky teams would be competitive with teams like LA Tech and San Jose State. But they aren't in the WAC anymore. Nobody is. Your argument is based on the premise that there is something better than the Big Sky. Of course there is. But today, and in the past, you lack the understanding of how to get there. Many, including me, agree with your premise. But instead of offering facts or suggesting a legitimate, palatable way to get there, you think that Montana should just "do it." In business and in football, things don't work that way.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Kemajic- I understand the W/L record over the last 10 years. That WAC doesn't exist anymore, though. It is gone. Most of those teams have moved on to bigger and better things. Other events have occured here in Missoula that change the game as well. A 5-6 Griz team does not exactly appear to be competitive in the Big Sky. What makes you think they could be competitive against the Old WAC?

In reality, I think the top echelon of Big Sky teams would be competitive with teams like LA Tech and San Jose State. But they aren't in the WAC anymore. Nobody is. Your argument is based on the premise that there is something better than the Big Sky. Of course there is. But today, and in the past, you lack the understanding of how to get there. Many, including me, agree with your premise. But instead of offering facts or suggesting a legitimate, palatable way to get there, you think that Montana should just "do it." In business and in football, things don't work that way.

The question we'll never know the answer to is this: Would the WAC have folded if Montana and MSU had made the jump when the then commissioner was introducing Denver (and thought he would be introducing Montana and MSU as well)?

 

[Jerry Punch]

Kemajic- I understand the W/L record over the last 10 years. That WAC doesn't exist anymore, though. It is gone. Most of those teams have moved on to bigger and better things. Other events have occured here in Missoula that change the game as well. A 5-6 Griz team does not exactly appear to be competitive in the Big Sky. What makes you think they could be competitive against the Old WAC?

In reality, I think the top echelon of Big Sky teams would be competitive with teams like LA Tech and San Jose State. But they aren't in the WAC anymore. Nobody is. Your argument is based on the premise that there is something better than the Big Sky. Of course there is. But today, and in the past, you lack the understanding of how to get there. Many, including me, agree with your premise. But instead of offering facts or suggesting a legitimate, palatable way to get there, you think that Montana should just "do it." In business and in football, things don't work that way.

The question we'll never know the answer to is this: Would the WAC have folded if Montana and MSU had made the jump when the then commissioner was introducing Denver (and thought he would be introducing Montana and MSU as well)?

That is an excellent question. I wish MSU would have gotten their shit together earlier to have made the joint move up together more feasible. Too bad for UM they didn't. But I don't see any way how the two schools separate their existence in different conferences or divisions. It just doesn't make sense. Both schools have immense and diverse offerings to students across the state. There isn't anything wrong with that. I know many lie to hate on UM for its theater and liberal arts, but they produce a number of successful grads that get degrees they couldn't obtain at MSU. The same is true for MSU. They have successful grads who couldn't get those degrees at UM.

We will never know, but I think you raise a good question.

 

[citygriz]

the time to move up was ten years ago. now we'd be where we belong, in the mwc.

 

[griz4life]

The best thing that could have happened for FCS football in the West was for PSU, NAU, SUU, Weber and UNC to team up with the California schools to form a stable, autobid eligible FCS conference tied to the West Coast, while the Montanas, the Idahos and the Dakotas, Ewoo and formed an autobid eligible, inland west conference capable of scheduling games with both the Mo Valley schools and the West Coast schools.
There would likely be another western representative on the playoff selection committee because of the West Coast autobid elegible conference, which would probably improve our conference odds of getting more teams seeded. And we would have the advantage of having conference teams that regularly played both the Missouri Valley teams and the West Coast teams. There'd be better comparable performances when it came to selection time.

 

[Jerry Punch]

And, Kem, I have seen you complain the past about travel between Missoula and UND. It is hilarious to think that Boise, a Big East school, would have to travel thousands of miles further to play most of its away games in conference. San Diego, which is "east" only in the sense that it is a few hundred yards from the Pacific Ocean, is also in a similar situation.

I can google map the distances between Boise and New York or Pennsylvania, but I would be willing to bet you that they are greater than the distances between Missoula and UND.