wr screen question

[dupuyer griz]

Why did we go away from the screen so much in the App game? I just finally got to watch it and noticed we hardly ran it. We were running it numerous times per drive the week before and hardly at all in the game. Just wondering if anyone can enlighten me.

 

[Bear Axed]

there was a big difference in the speed and quality of the defenders
+ why give App St. a play they'd been practicing for all week?

 

[dupuyer griz]

there was a big difference in the speed and quality of the defenders
+ why give App St. a play they'd been practicing for all week?

Yes, however, the only one I noticed we gained 5 or 6 on.

 

[wbtfg]

This may be too nitpicky, but are those passes technically screen passes?

 

[GRZFTBL]

What we did worked. Except for the 4 turnovers to their zero....

Seriously, we played well enough to win (woulda, coulda, shoulda). Turnovers kilt us. :evil:

I'm looking forward to a big "W" @ WaGriz Saturday.

 

[BellevueGriz]

This may be too nitpicky, but are those passes technically screen passes?

Any forward pass that does not cross the LOS (Line of Scrimmage) is a screen pass.
*Sidenote... Any pass that does not cross the LOS (thrown behind the LOS) allows the Offensive Lineman to release downfield to block before the pass is actually thrown. If the pass is thrown across the LOS, Offensive Lineman cant release down field until the ball has been thrown, as it will result in illegal man downfield.

In the case of the RB screen, OL usually want to pass set first, to invite the DL up the field, before they release to the LBs and Safeties to block. In the case of a WR Screen which are usually thrown far out to the sideline, OL can aggressively run block and release to the LBs, Safeties and sometimes Corners right away (however some OL still pass set to clear the pass rush in the case of the WR middle/tunnel screens, which is the outside WR's running in toward the middle of the field while behind the LOS.

 

[dupuyer griz]

This may be too nitpicky, but are those passes technically screen passes?

Any forward pass that does not cross the LOS (Line of Scrimmage) is a screen pass.
*Sidenote... Any pass that does not cross the LOS (thrown behind the LOS) allows the Offensive Lineman to release downfield to block before the pass is actually thrown. If the pass is thrown across the LOS, Offensive Lineman cant release down field until the ball has been thrown, as it will result in illegal man downfield.

In the case of the RB screen, OL usually want to pass set first, to invite the DL up the field, before they release to the LBs and Safeties to block. In the case of a WR Screen which are usually thrown far out to the sideline, OL can aggressively run block and release to the LBs, Safeties and sometimes Corners right away (however some OL still pass set to clear the pass rush in the case of the WR middle/tunnel screens, which is the outside WR's running in toward the middle of the field while behind the LOS.

I just learned something new, this kind of stuff used to be on the board a lot more. Thanks.

 

[wbtfg]

What about a "swing pass" to an RB who releases out of the backfield? Is that still considered a screen if it doesn't cross LOS?

 

[Grizfan-24]

Semantically speaking there are alignments by defenses that make certain teams screen packages difficult to execute. I really didn't pay much attention to the App State alignment, but my guess something in their linebacker/corner back alignment made it difficult to throw perimeter fast screens.

Teams who press the Z/X receivers w/ their corners make it difficult to run traditional or bubble screens (where the receiver bubbles back to the QB). Teams who apex the H/X receivers w/ their backers make it difficult to run most outside screens because of the terrible blocking angles. In either case the screen can be easily jumped.

Most schools run fast screens on the perimeter because the blocking angles are simple and you don't have to teach the more difficult slow or jailbreak screen concepts. Plus it has the added advantage of looking like a run play to the perimeter.

However most don't develop secondary screens on the perimeter that take care of press. Mostly because it isn't worth the risk and the amount of time to become proficient at setting them up and blocking it. Schools like Butte High, my high school, La Tech, Texas Tech (formerly), and Washington State have about four different versions of perimeter screens to match the type of perimeter defense they will see each week.

In the end, probably had more to do with App States alignment than anything else. As more schools go to 3 DB's over 2 receivers sets because of spread, certain screen sets get more difficult to run because of the ability to change the LOS look for most offenses. Just depends what the Griz have installed as screens really.

 

[funny water]

Semantically speaking there are alignments by defenses that make certain teams screen packages difficult to execute. I really didn't pay much attention to the App State alignment, but my guess something in their linebacker/corner back alignment made it difficult to throw perimeter fast screens.

Teams who press the Z/X receivers w/ their corners make it difficult to run traditional or bubble screens (where the receiver bubbles back to the QB). Teams who apex the H/X receivers w/ their backers make it difficult to run most outside screens because of the terrible blocking angles. In either case the screen can be easily jumped.

Most schools run fast screens on the perimeter because the blocking angles are simple and you don't have to teach the more difficult slow or jailbreak screen concepts. Plus it has the added advantage of looking like a run play to the perimeter.

However most don't develop secondary screens on the perimeter that take care of press. Mostly because it isn't worth the risk and the amount of time to become proficient at setting them up and blocking it. Schools like Butte High, my high school, La Tech, Texas Tech (formerly), and Washington State have about four different versions of perimeter screens to match the type of perimeter defense they will see each week.

In the end, probably had more to do with App States alignment than anything else. As more schools go to 3 DB's over 2 receivers sets because of spread, certain screen sets get more difficult to run because of the ability to change the LOS look for most offenses. Just depends what the Griz have installed as screens really.

thank you :thumb:

 

[Forshizzlegrizzle]

Two of the biggest plays were screen plays. I was begging for a RB screen after watching how hard App. was crashing in. Both times the RB screen to Moore went for BIG yards.

 

[grizcountry420]

Semantically speaking there are alignments by defenses that make certain teams screen packages difficult to execute. I really didn't pay much attention to the App State alignment, but my guess something in their linebacker/corner back alignment made it difficult to throw perimeter fast screens.

Teams who press the Z/X receivers w/ their corners make it difficult to run traditional or bubble screens (where the receiver bubbles back to the QB). Teams who apex the H/X receivers w/ their backers make it difficult to run most outside screens because of the terrible blocking angles. In either case the screen can be easily jumped.

Most schools run fast screens on the perimeter because the blocking angles are simple and you don't have to teach the more difficult slow or jailbreak screen concepts. Plus it has the added advantage of looking like a run play to the perimeter.

However most don't develop secondary screens on the perimeter that take care of press. Mostly because it isn't worth the risk and the amount of time to become proficient at setting them up and blocking it. Schools like Butte High, my high school, La Tech, Texas Tech (formerly), and Washington State have about four different versions of perimeter screens to match the type of perimeter defense they will see each week.

In the end, probably had more to do with App States alignment than anything else. As more schools go to 3 DB's over 2 receivers sets because of spread, certain screen sets get more difficult to run because of the ability to change the LOS look for most offenses. Just depends what the Griz have installed as screens really.

Probably one of the most knowledgable posters on this board.. :thumb: