Would UM fans like THE BIG SKY 12?

[wisdomgriz]

And can anyone identify a single Idaho fan, player or administrator who hankers for the good old days in the BSC and longs to return? Didn't think so.

Ya... I took a poll. It was 2,438,034 for coming back... 162,893 against. Amazing huh? Even tho Vandal-ites are calling the past 15 years, "The Golden Years"... even more Amazing, huh?? Even tho they can't recruit well enough to beat an FCS puke like Montana... even more, more Amazing, huh??? Boy, I can't wait for Montana to move sideways and experience "The Golden Years" of WAC-level sports. Wow, I'm getting a tingle in my underwear like you other "envious" Griz fans. WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR!!!!

What's amazing is the idea you think you speak for all of Montana and now Idaho with no factual arguments and the constant whining of "sideways" moves.

 

[TheBud]

The Humanitarian Bowl, much maligned by lovers of the status quo, paid out $750,000 last year. And so I repeat a variation of my previous question - which remains unanswered - How much did the Griz realize from their last trip to the Holy Grail? And the answer is....

...that the Griz came away with all expenses paid, whereas Idaho lost money on their "deal".

We wouldn't want to cloud the debate with facts now, would we?

The payout is $750,000, but teams are required to provide a corporate sponsor, purchase a minimum number of tickets, and stay at a selected hotel for a minimum stay. Because of this, 7–4 UCLA declined an invitation to the 2001 Humanitarian Bowl.

Playing in a Bowl Game Often a Bad Business Decision:
http://www.thewizofodds.com/the_wiz...-bowl-game-often-a-bad-business-decision.html
Excerpt:

Maryland, for example, played in the Humanitarian Bowl in Boise, and less than two weeks before the game, the Terrapins had sold all of 16 tickets, according to the Baltimore Sun. Nevada, which was Maryland's opponent, ended up selling 163 tickets. That is two more than what Fresno State sold for its appearance in the New Mexico Bowl.

Bowl fact vs. fallacy:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=jo-bowlfacts121908
Excerpt:

Case in point: The Humanitarian Bowl, which by contract pits schools from the WAC and the ACC, pledges about $250,000 a year toward the WAC in “sponsorship fees.” No money exchanges hands. That’s because the Humanitarian Bowl keeps the $250,000 as a “sponsorship fee,” according to Benson, the conference commissioner.

Benson said the WAC paid more than $600,000 in those fees to bowls last year.

“What do you get in exchange? Nothing,” he said. “Well, sometimes there might be a banner at a luncheon or a program ad or something like that.”

Dec. 3, 2001

"In regards to the Humanitarian Bowl, I was told the amount of the corporate sponsorship would be $350,000."

(The Humanitarian Bowl, which pays each school $750,000, also requires the purchase of 5,000 tickets at $33. In addition, the team must stay in Boise hotels for five nights and the band and spirit squads for three nights).

"When you combine those totals with other costs associated with a bowl, such as air transportation and housing and feeding of the players on campus, we projected a loss of about $300,000 to play in the Humanitarian Bowl, which would have come from this year's operating revenues. UCLA felt a fiduciary responsibility to at least break even in the bowl game.

"We never said we weren't interested in playing in the game, just unwilling to lose several hundred thousand dollars to play.

"We feel that the better long-term investment for $350,000 is in our new facility project. The building will include a weight room double the size of the current one, a new state-of-the-art medical/training facility to enhance the medical treatment of our student-athletes and new locker and meeting rooms for our various teams. These new expanded facilities will benefit several generations of UCLA student-athletes in the future."

"Ticket purchases are one thing. But when they're asking you to buy a corporate sponsorship package, I just think that's wrong," Dalis said.

Asked if there is anything schools can do to combat what may be a growing pay-to-play trend by bowls, Dalis said, "Yeah. Don't prostitute themselves."

 

[jagur1]

The Bud I think we all realize that most bowls are a net loss. Just like Schools have there ego invested in being FBS a few posters on Egriz won't let there ego agree with anything from the other camp. K will say black and Player will say white.

 

[djollieballs]

...that the Griz came away with all expenses paid,

The Griz had all expenses paid to go the NC the last two years?

You got any proof for that, because I'm pretty sure it's an outright lie.

 

[TheBud]

The Bud I think we all realize that most bowls are a net loss.

I would have hoped that everybody realizes that. Silvertip seems to want to plead the opposite even when given facts.

I give up.

I am a realist. I would be happy either way on the move up or not decision - AND I certainly would continue to support the UofM regardless of the decision.

Go Griz!

 

[wbtfg]

...that the Griz came away with all expenses paid,

The Griz had all expenses paid to go the NC the last two years?

You got any proof for that, because I'm pretty sure it's an outright lie.

I was under the impression that all of the money the NCAA collects from the opening round bids as well as the bid they receive from the NC host site would go towards covering travel related costs.

If NCAA does not pick up the tab, I'm wondering how a cash poor school could go on the road (potentially across the country) for 4 away games...

Would they just have to forfeit if the couldn't find the funds?

 

['68griz]

If neither Oklahoma nor Florida (both schools with very large fan bases) could buy more than 16,000 tickets for the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME (supposedly the biggest college game on earth), then it's essentially impossible to believe that a school like Montana could afford to go to a bowl game anyplace other than Washington Grizzly Stadium. You will notice that the highest ticket sales were for Hawaii to play in the Hawaii Bowl!!

 

[billings_poke]

One thing for sure is that if the NCAA was not picking up the TAB , mostly from money they earn in the NCAA basketball tournament, then the FCS playoffs would not exist or the schools would lose significantly more money then the bowl teams do trying to have a championship at all.

fact is most Bowl games are break even games for the teams that go. Wyo estimated it broke even on the New Mexico bowl last year. The Boise Bowl and about 10 others need to just Die frankly.

Also remember a lot of fans buy bowl tickets through the bowl directly as they are cheaper, then through the school and those numbers only reflect tickets bought through the school. It is hard to estimate the actual number of fans a school brings in many cases the tickets are significantly cheaper by going direct to stub hub or the bowl site.

 

[TheBud]

...that the Griz came away with all expenses paid,

The Griz had all expenses paid to go the NC the last two years?

You got any proof for that, because I'm pretty sure it's an outright lie.

Unlike you, I don't BS my way through life.

Here you go buddy boy:
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/football/2009/09_1AA_Football.pdf

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect...ERES&CACHEID=0a92a3804e0b9ef1b0e6f01ad6fc8b25

Just keepin' it real for ya...

 

[TheBud]

Also remember a lot of fans buy bowl tickets through the bowl directly as they are cheaper, then through the school and those numbers only reflect tickets bought through the school. It is hard to estimate the actual number of fans a school brings in many cases the tickets are significantly cheaper by going direct to stub hub or the bowl site.

That is one factor possibly. Usually, the schools discount the crap out of their allotment or donate them to charity, because they cannot move them off.

Also, the allotted tickets are not necessarily prime seating. Those are for sponsors and ticketmaster, etc. So, many of the fans buy through ticketmaster for better seating for what I understand.

 

[djollieballs]

The Griz had all expenses paid to go the NC the last two years?

You got any proof for that, because I'm pretty sure it's an outright lie.

Unlike you, I don't BS my way through life.

Here you go buddy boy:
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/football/2009/09_1AA_Football.pdf

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect...ERES&CACHEID=0a92a3804e0b9ef1b0e6f01ad6fc8b25

Just keepin' it real for ya...

Yeah, buddy, that wasn't BS at all :lol:
Where does it say that the NCAA picks up the tab for airfare for 145 people from Missoula to BFE :lol:

I see a $16,000 allowance for ground transport. Where does it show that they picked up the tab for our private charter?

 

[TheBud]

Yeah, buddy, that wasn't BS at all :lol:
Where does it say that the NCAA picks up the tab for airfare for 145 people from Missoula to BFE :lol:

I see a $16,000 allowance for ground transport. Where does it show that they picked up the tab for our private charter?

Wow. I have to teach you how to read too. :roll:

Transportation expenses and a $120 per diem will be provided for each member of the official traveling party. The size of the official traveling party is ... 145 persons for the championship game, including a maximum of ... 70 student-athletes in uniform for the championship game.

...paid according to the actual mode of transportation, not to exceed jet coach air fare...

 

[griz4life]

I really don't see the attraction of a larger conference with teams like Southern Utah thrown in.

Davis and Cal Poly would be great additions. They're both top notch schools -- Davis has one of the best ag science programs in the country. Cal Poly's engineering program is better than any similar program offered by current Big Sky schools. Both shools have good athletic programs, but Davis hasn't expressed interest in joining the Big Sky and it's future plans are to compete at the FBS level, which is actually how the school sold its students on the move to FCS. FCS participation was sold as a stepping stone to bigger things.

Cal Poly has really improved its athletic programs since the 1990s in ways few Big Sky schools have shown a willingness to do, but again are they going to be happy in the Big Sky and how long might they stay?

Southern Utah gets a big hell no from me. It's not a great school, its fan base isn't anything great. And it is buried under four other Utah schools in terms of public interest, just like PSU was buried in Oregon and EWU in Washington and UNC in Colorado.

What the Big Sky needs are those rare programs, like Montana and Montana State that are small ball programs but still the biggest programs in their respective states. OR, schools that have small ball programs, but are great academic schools.The Dakota schools would have been great gets as flagship state schools.

 

[djollieballs]

Yeah, buddy, that wasn't BS at all :lol:
Where does it say that the NCAA picks up the tab for airfare for 145 people from Missoula to BFE :lol:

I see a $16,000 allowance for ground transport. Where does it show that they picked up the tab for our private charter?

Wow. I have to teach you how to read too. :roll:

Transportation expenses and a $120 per diem will be provided for each member of the official traveling party. The size of the official traveling party is ... 145 persons for the championship game, including a maximum of ... 70 student-athletes in uniform for the championship game.

...paid according to the actual mode of transportation, not to exceed jet coach air fare...

Oh, so it's cheaper to get a private charter than it is to get a bunch of coach airfare tickets? That $120 per diem is supposed to cover lodging AND food? Wow, we're really taking the NCAA to the cleaners.

Give it up, Buddy. It's ok to admit that you didn't know what you were talking about.

O'Day is on record saying that the NC game costs the school money.

Also, I just did some back of the napkin calcs on how much it would cost for UM to send 145 people to a bowl game. Interesting stuff. Figure $700 airfare per head (being VERY generous) = 145 * 700 = $101,500. Figure $120 per diem for 3 days = 145 * 120 * 3 = $52200. Then figure hotel expenses (are those included in the per diem for the NCAA's? Schools obviously go over their per diem for lodging if this is the case.) 150 * 75 * 3 = $33,000. Now for the 5,000 ticket allotment 5,000 * 30 = $150,000. The school obviously gets some of that back, if UM played in Boise every ticket would be sold, if they played in San Diego, every ticket would be sold, if HI probably only 2,500 would get sold, if NM, probably 2,000. For these purposes we'll say the school is on the hook for all of them.

The Grand Total? $337,450. How are schools not able to cover expenses when the bowl payouts are all above $750,000? How many VIP's do you need to put up at the four seasons to go over $750,000? Even if you TRIPLE the traveling party you still only have max expenses of $712,350. Obviously, these schools crying about how expensive the bowl games are suffer from massive graft at the administrative level.

Another boogie man argument debunked.

 

[TheBud]

Are you that fucking stupid?

O'Day is on record saying that the NC game costs the school money.

You got any proof for that, because I'm pretty sure it's an outright lie.

Well, do you?

 

[djollieballs]

Are you that f***[*] stupid?

O'Day is on record saying that the NC game costs the school money.

You got any proof for that, because I'm pretty sure it's an outright lie.

Well, do you?

Give it up, Buddy. It's ok to admit that you didn't know what you were talking about.

"The championship expenditures were buffered by ticket revenues from the string of play-off games UM hosted leading up to the big game, as well as compensation for home-game expenses, Maes said.

"If you don't host any play-off games, you have a real hard time going to the championship and bringing what you need to bring," he said."

So I guess we probably didn't cover all our costs in 2008 when we didn't host a third game?

Loolz.

Keep hitting those numbers buddy!

 

[PlayerRep]

UM expenses for trips to the national championship games exceed related ncaa reimbursements because UM takes more than the allotted number of people to the games, and there's no other revenue other than ncaa reimbursement. This is a choice UM makes, but is certainly not required to make in order to participate in the game. UM takes two plane loads of people, although the second charter contains some boosters who pay for the trip. There are also some people who drive (the truck with equipment) and some who have to fly ahead of the first charter because they need to be there sooner.

All players, including redshirts and injured. Coaches, and some spouses, grad assistants. Trainers, equipment people, team doctor. Athletic dept personnel. Cheer squad. Band? Tv/radio announcers (don't know if they may pay for the trip under the contracts, but doubt it). This group is way over 145. I assume players alone must be at 100 or so. By comparison, Richmond didn't take its redshirts two years ago. The president, his spouse and several other Main Hall people usually attend the game, but I don't know which budget covers them.