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worst case nit?
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mtgrizrule
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You are 100% correct about the regular season conference winner getting an auto NIT bid. I see no reason why the BSC will not get 3 teams in post season play. Then again, outside of the region, how many will give Weber State, Montana, or No CO credit/recognition?
You know the Big Sky is pulling for the Griz to win. If they do, we should get 3 teams in. UNC has 24 wins, and have been ranked in mid major poll most the season. They should get invite to CBI. Whatever happens its been a good year for Big Sky B-Ball, and it appears most of the strong teams have good recruits coming in next year.
NIT-ology has both Northern Colorado and Montana as "on the bubble--probably in" as far as the NIT is concerned:
http://tcaa.puretecmo.com/nit06.html
As far as getting teams into tournaments, the Big Sky would be better off if Montana won the auto bid because Weber would then be guaranteed an NIT bid. Even if the Big Sky gets shut out of the NIT, I suspect both Northern Colorado and Montana would get a bid to either the CBI or the CIT. The latter caters to the so-called "mid-majors." (That nomenclature cracks me up -- how many schools or conferences would admit to being a "minor-major.")
http://tcaa.puretecmo.com/nit06.html
As far as getting teams into tournaments, the Big Sky would be better off if Montana won the auto bid because Weber would then be guaranteed an NIT bid. Even if the Big Sky gets shut out of the NIT, I suspect both Northern Colorado and Montana would get a bid to either the CBI or the CIT. The latter caters to the so-called "mid-majors." (That nomenclature cracks me up -- how many schools or conferences would admit to being a "minor-major.")
Grizbacker1
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I would NEVER count on 3 BSC teams playing in the postseason. Hell, we have the 2nd best conference in FB and we seldom, if ever get 3 teams into the post season. Not gonna happen this year either.
I'm not counting on it either, but I'm not dismissing it. This is the first year the Big Sky has had three teams with 20 wins since 1997, I believe. Also, the league's RPI is relatively high as a whole -- I believe the Big Sky ranks 17th among conferences in RPI, as compared to the mid-20s in recent years. So if it's going to happen, this would be the year. Finally, some school administrators may have to make some tough decisions this year. The CBI requires a $60 K commitment from schools that participate. If the Big Sky gets one or none in the NIT, then the administration for the two 20-win teams that don't make the NCAA may have to decide if they want to cough up the cash to keep playing. Sunday will be a very interesting day for the league.
Grizbacker1 said:
I understand where you are coming from GB. If Montana wins they go to the NCAA and Weber automatically is in the NIT. That leaves UNC and with a record of 24-7 with wins over Hawaii, Air Force, Colorado St, TCU, and a 1 point loss @ Oklahoma, I would say the have as good a resume as anyone in the country.
Northern Colorado may have some "quality wins," but Montana has two quality wins over Northern Colorado.
would be great news to have three teams in post season, but still a long shot with all the right things happening.
It appears that the NIT likes the NAME schools in its picks, sometimes without regard to rpi, record, etc..
All depends on who makes the dance, all the leftovers remain for NIT to do its work
MT, UNC, Weber appear to be worthy picks but I am thinking that BSC may be fortunate to have two, regardless of winner of our title match tonight. Best case scenario is UM winning and the NIT will have to sort em all out.
It appears that the NIT likes the NAME schools in its picks, sometimes without regard to rpi, record, etc..
All depends on who makes the dance, all the leftovers remain for NIT to do its work
MT, UNC, Weber appear to be worthy picks but I am thinking that BSC may be fortunate to have two, regardless of winner of our title match tonight. Best case scenario is UM winning and the NIT will have to sort em all out.
The NIT selection process has gotten a lot more "scientific" since the NCAA bought it out and changed the selection criteria. I would think either Montana or Northern Colorado would have a decent shot at making the field if Weber wins tonight. A lot depends on how many regular season conference champions from smaller leagues slip up in their tournaments and fall into the NIT via their guaranteed slot.
I would think whoever from among Weber, Montana and No. Colorado that don't make the NCAA or the NIT will still have a very good opportunity to get an invite to the CBI or the CIT. As I noted above, the CIT is specifically geared toward schools from smaller conferences.
PS: The NCAA, NIT, CBI and CIT take a combined 129 schools. Weber is currently ranked 105, Montana 106 and N. Colorado 137 in the Pomeroy rankings. So it may be a stretch for all three teams to get into tournaments, but certainly not impossible.
I would think whoever from among Weber, Montana and No. Colorado that don't make the NCAA or the NIT will still have a very good opportunity to get an invite to the CBI or the CIT. As I noted above, the CIT is specifically geared toward schools from smaller conferences.
PS: The NCAA, NIT, CBI and CIT take a combined 129 schools. Weber is currently ranked 105, Montana 106 and N. Colorado 137 in the Pomeroy rankings. So it may be a stretch for all three teams to get into tournaments, but certainly not impossible.
I'm note sure of the particulars, but I know that the CBI requires a commitment, I believe $60,000 a round, from any team wanting to host a game.
Here's a link to a story about Virginia's experiences in the CBI. The school lost about $150 K hosting three games, but they knew going in they would and the administration felt it was important to keep a young team playing. This story also notes that other schools turned down invitations to the tournament because of the cost.
http://www.roanoke.com/sports/uvabasketball/wb/156219
Keep in mind that the guarantee is only to host a game, not to play in the tournament on the road.
Here's a link to a story about Virginia's experiences in the CBI. The school lost about $150 K hosting three games, but they knew going in they would and the administration felt it was important to keep a young team playing. This story also notes that other schools turned down invitations to the tournament because of the cost.
http://www.roanoke.com/sports/uvabasketball/wb/156219
Keep in mind that the guarantee is only to host a game, not to play in the tournament on the road.
Here's some more background I got from a story about Missouri State making a bid to host either a CBI or CIT game. Apparently the cost of hosting a CBI game has gone up:
"That leaves the 3-year-old CBI and the 2-year-old CIT. Home teams must guarantee a payment of $70,000 to the CBI or $31,000 to the CIT. The CBI could attract a bigger-name opponent, thus more fan interest and more ticket sales.
Oregon State won last year's CBI with an 18-18 record. Old Dominion won the CIT at 25-10.
The CIT is strictly for "mid-major" teams, while the CBI often invites lower-finishing teams from major conferences that are not selected for the NIT."
BTW, George Mason announced today that it has accepted a bid to play in the CIT. I guess at 17-14, they have already ruled out an NCAA or NIT bid.
"That leaves the 3-year-old CBI and the 2-year-old CIT. Home teams must guarantee a payment of $70,000 to the CBI or $31,000 to the CIT. The CBI could attract a bigger-name opponent, thus more fan interest and more ticket sales.
Oregon State won last year's CBI with an 18-18 record. Old Dominion won the CIT at 25-10.
The CIT is strictly for "mid-major" teams, while the CBI often invites lower-finishing teams from major conferences that are not selected for the NIT."
BTW, George Mason announced today that it has accepted a bid to play in the CIT. I guess at 17-14, they have already ruled out an NCAA or NIT bid.
bengal said:
thanks..so the host team would have to have a decent sized crowd at reasonable ticket fee to make it work...likely what a BSC post season game charges, so about a 4K plus crowd at about $15 would get it done. I know that NIT likes the first/second rounds at least on home courts. Do they also have the same guarnentee required?
bengal said:
Thanks to their win Montana does show to be above UNC in RPI, so if that's a major decider that could help, however if we're talking NIT side that means UM would lose tonight - and with that loss I don't know where that would drop Montana in the RPI compared to UNC.
From the NIT Manual:
"Share Distribution
Net revenue is defined as all gross revenues received by the NIT, L.L.C. from ticket sales, sales of radio and/or television broadcast rights, sale of Internet rights, and from any other source connected with the tournament, less all costs and expenses incurred in connection with the tournament games and all events connected therewith, a pro rata share (together with the NIT Season Tip-Off Tournament) of the annual administration expenses incurred by the NIT, L.L.C. in conducting its tournaments (the general and administrative expenses will be allocated one third to the NIT Season Tip-Off Tournament and two thirds to the Post-Season Tournament), and a management fee, as determined by the NIT, L.L.C., in its sole discretion. The net revenues for the Tournament will be distributed as follows:
All remaining net revenues will be distributed to all the participating institutions, with the size of each institution’s share determined by the number of games played. Each institution participating in the first round games will receive a total of one (1) share unit, teams participating in the second round games will receive a total of two (2) share units each; teams participating in the quarterfinals will receive a total of three (3) share units each; and the four teams reaching the semi-finals in New York will receive a total of five shares."
"Share Distribution
Net revenue is defined as all gross revenues received by the NIT, L.L.C. from ticket sales, sales of radio and/or television broadcast rights, sale of Internet rights, and from any other source connected with the tournament, less all costs and expenses incurred in connection with the tournament games and all events connected therewith, a pro rata share (together with the NIT Season Tip-Off Tournament) of the annual administration expenses incurred by the NIT, L.L.C. in conducting its tournaments (the general and administrative expenses will be allocated one third to the NIT Season Tip-Off Tournament and two thirds to the Post-Season Tournament), and a management fee, as determined by the NIT, L.L.C., in its sole discretion. The net revenues for the Tournament will be distributed as follows:
All remaining net revenues will be distributed to all the participating institutions, with the size of each institution’s share determined by the number of games played. Each institution participating in the first round games will receive a total of one (1) share unit, teams participating in the second round games will receive a total of two (2) share units each; teams participating in the quarterfinals will receive a total of three (3) share units each; and the four teams reaching the semi-finals in New York will receive a total of five shares."
