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MBBALL WISH LIST FOR THE MEN'S BB PROGRAM

citygriz

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Yes, I took a cold shower after my rant following the Portland State game. But a cold shower does not obviate the obvious needs for this program moving forward.

BIGS: The one stat that LEAPS out the box score of the championship game: Idaho outrebounded us 42-28! Four Vandals had as many or more rebounds as our leading rebounder. And that player was a GUARD, Money Williams, with five. That is PATHETIC.

Furthermore, this has been a problem for this program since DeCuire took over. Chapter and verse of great guards in this program, but a DEARTH of credible rim-protecting big men. And next year? Three more high school guards on the way, to add to a roster already loaded with guards.

Listen, small ball is dead. Bigs have learned to shoot. And if we can't get one or two bona fide rim protectors into this program, any hope of a Sweet Sixeen appearance is DOA. Whether DeCuire and his staff can get this done will be Priority ONE moving forward.

OFFENSE: I've been arguing for several years now for the football equivalent of an offensive coordinator for this program. DeCuire preaches defense, and he's good at it, give him full credit. But the scoring droughts have been all too frequent for years, and our inability to deal with a full-court press is criminal.

During halftime of the Portland State game, my Caorlina bud texted me about how impressed he was with Money Williams. But I said, "Believe me, we Griz fans know a 19-point lead is not safe. They'll throw a press at us and we'll blow it. Every Montana fan knows what's coming." And sure enough. A near-collapse--19 points in ten minutes--that would have been devastating. And DeCuire's comment that he likes to "make it interesting for Griz fans" did not tickle me one bit.

This is something any coach deals with from day one. Back in the way-distant-past John Wooden built a dynasty on the full-court press, but coaches eventually learned to deal with it. Later, when Paul Westhead took his pressing defense to the pro's, coaches easily dealt with it. But after all this, with all this history to study, DeCuire and his staff still don't know how to attack it, and our late-game collapses against the press have become commonplace. A good offensive coordinator could fix this in five minutes. It should have beenn fixed long ago.

MONEY: God love him. What a gutty performance! Too sick for even the shoot-around, and yet he leads us in points, rebounds and assists in a championship game. Does he return?

I highly doubt it--but we'll soon know. If he's a second round pick, go for it--especially if that team is Portland. He should know well ahead of the draft. Remember, age is working against him. Many pro teams want to draft the 18 and 19-year olds, and tutor them for three or four years, versus having them play out their college ball. So I'd expect Money to announce for the draft quite soon.

FINALLY: Yes, I know DeCuire is a legendary player and coach at Montana. I think he's a great guy, a builder of character. I know he's the reason Money stayed for three years, and the reason we've been able to recurit so many great guards through his tenure.

But this program has flaws, and I think it's the job of DeCuire's boss--the athletic director--to sit down and discuss them with him. Otherwise, we're in a predicable rut with this program: A tough pre-season schedule where we get clobbered; an inexplicable loss to the likes of a Montana Tech; a credible Big Sky run (which we SHOULD be making each and every year in a conference as weak as the BIg Sky); followed then, if we win the conference, by a shellacking at the Big Dance.

My goals have for this program have always been high, after the near upstet of UCLA back in 1975, after we came within one half of a Sweet Sixteen appearance back in 2005, and after our legendary coaching tree has given the school such basketball credibility. I've never felt smug about being a "Big Sky power."

The easist way to succeed is to lower your expectations. Too many on this board appaarnetly have.
 
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I mostly agree with everyrhing you stated. But, if there’s a quality big man, he’s not coming to Montana. They’re few and far between. Sawyer was good, not great. Can’t jump, terrible hands. We definitely need speed and a couple shooters. I’ve come to the realization that until we can pay good money for players and coaches and find a better conference , the Big Sky Title is our ceiling
 
Here's some things that I think need to be addressed in the offseason:

- Bigs. Both Sawyer and Taylor are graduating so we have no choice but to go to the portal for a couple of big guys. Ideally I would love for us to get somebody who is 6'10 as opposed to 6'8. This is a chance to completely re-shape our front court and hopefully for the better.

- Cut ties with Kepley and Isaak. Both of these guys flashed at times but they weren't nearly good or consistent enough to give us a reliable backcourt. There's a reason they were both removed from the starting lineup as the season progressed. Once Hicks came into the lineup, that's where I thought this team was at it's strongest. We had no reliable PG this year. Neither Kepley nor Isaak could do it and Money is a much better player off the ball that he shouldn't be called upon to run the point. Go find a reliable PG in the portal, ideally one with strong ball handling skills. That was a major issue this year.

- Retain Hicks, Thompson, and Aguino. Let's call it what it was. This was a pretty young team littered with underclassmen. Anytime you're starting two freshmen the entire season, you know the season has a chance to be rocky at times. Hicks I thought was a revelation for this team and he needs to see increased playing time next year. Thompson and Aguino will only get better with time and I think it's huge that they were called upon to fill starting roles all year. They showed signs of playing like freshmen at times but they both have a ton of upside. Futures bright for these guys.

- Get Betts and Anderson healthy. We really have no idea how good this team could have been if these two were healthy. I thought Anderson looked good in the minimal action he got in non-conference. He was able to knock down shots and provide another source of offense, but we never saw him again after the UND game. Betts I believe played in a conference game or two early on, but I don't think he was ever feeling right dating back to last offseason. He's a bigger kid at 6'8 and could provide another rebounding/slashing forward for us. My concern is these two have been in college for three years now and they've hardly played. Is this going to set them back? Or can they find their form and turn into weapons for us? DeCuire might have to make a tough decision with these two and IDK what the correct answer is.

- Money. Is he coming back? If so then are we going to build this offense to run through him, or are we going to be more balanced offensively and not have to rely on him to consistently score 25-30ppg for us to win? If he doesn't come back then what's the identity of this team? Who steps up to be the leader of this team? Is it even somebody who is currently on the team? These are questions that the staff will have to get answered in the short run.

We got a little over 3 weeks until the portal opens. It opens up the day after the National Championship game. This is a welcome change IMO as it give Decuire and his staff time to have conversations with players on the team and start to formulate a plan for roster construction in the coming weeks/months. Overall I think there's enough pieces in place for us to have a good team next year. Depending on how well we do in the portal next year will determine if a good team can become a great team. Excited and anxious to see how it all plays out!
 
Yes, I took a cold shower after my rant following the Portland State game. But a cold shower does not obviate the obvious needs for this program moving forward.

BIGS: The one stat that LEAPS out the box score of the championship game: Idaho outrebounded us 42-28! Four Vandals had as many or more rebounds as our leading rebounder. And that player was a GUARD, Money Williams, with five. That is PATHETIC.

Furthermore, this has been a problem for this program since DeCuire took over. Chapter and verse of great guards in this program, but a DEARTH of credible rim-protecting big men. And next year? Three more high school guards on the way, to add to a roster already loaded with guards.

Listen, small ball is dead. Bigs have learned to shoot. And if we can't get one or two bona fide rim protectors into this program, any hope of a Sweet Sixeen appearance is DOA. Whether DeCuire and his staff can get this done will be Priority ONE moving forward.

OFFENSE: I've been arguing for several years now for the football equivalent of an offensive coordinator for this program. DeCuire preaches defense, and he's good at it, give him full credit. But the scoring droughts have been all too frequent for years, and our inability to deal with a full-court press is criminal.

During halftime of the Portland State game, my Caorlina bud texted me about how impressed he was with Money Williams. But I said, "Believe me, we Griz fans know a 19-point lead is not safe. They'll throw a press at us and we'll blow it. Every Montana fan knows what's coming." And sure enough. A near-collapse--19 points in ten minutes--that would have been devastating. And DeCuire's comment that he likes to "make it interesting for Griz fans" did not tickle me one bit.

This is something any coach deals with from day one. Back in the way-distant-past John Wooden built a dynasty on the full-court press, but coaches eventually learned to deal with it. Later, when Paul Westhead took his pressing defense to the pro's, coaches easily dealt with it. But after all this, with all this history to study, DeCuire and his staff still don't know how to attack it, and our late-game collapses against the press have become commonplace. A good offensive coordinator could fix this in five minutes. It should have beenn fixed long ago.

MONEY: God love him. What a gutty performance! Too sick for even the shoot-around, and yet he leads us in points, rebounds and assists in a championship game. Does he return?

I highly doubt it--but we'll soon know. If he's a second round pick, go for it--especially if that team is Portland. He should know well ahead of the draft. Remember, age is working against him. Many pro teams want to draft the 18 and 19-year olds, and tutor them for three or four years, versus having them play out their college ball. So I'd expect Money to announce for the draft quite soon.

FINALLY: Yes, I know DeCuire is a legendary player and coach at Montana. I think he's a great guy, a builder of character. I know he's the reason Money stayed for three years, and the reason we've been able to recurit so many great guards through his tenure.

But this program has flaws, and I think it's the job of DeCuire's boss--the athletic director--to sit down and discuss them with him. Otherwise, we're in a predicable rut with this program: A tough pre-season schedule where we get clobbered; an inexplicable loss to the likes of a Montana Tech; a credible Big Sky run (which we SHOULD be making each and every year in a conference as weak as the BIg Sky); followed then, if we win the conference, by a shellacking at the Big Dance.

My goals have for this program have always been high, after the near upstet of UCLA back in 1975, after we came within one half of a Sweet Sixteen appearance back in 2005, and after our legendary coaching tree has given the school such basketball credibility. I've never felt smug about being a "Big Sky power."

The easist way to succeed is to lower your expectations. Too many on this board appaarnetly have.
You make a lot of valid points. I do get frustrated with our lack of big men. It seems to me like every college basketball team regardless of level or division should have one big man a seven footer who can clog up the middle and move things around.
 
Like my eGriz posting friends, I'll probably chip-in with some "armchair coaching" suggestions for how the Griz might move forward. Start with this: Coach DeCuire has emphasized more than once his philosophy/objective of recruiting high school talent and building teams that grow as a unit. I think this year's team is the first year of that kind of team... similar to the historic team that played from 2016-2019 while winning both the conference and tourney titles in 2018 and 2019. Incidentally... THAT team -- while they were frosh-sophomores -- was eliminated in early round quarter/semi tourney games.

But I think we need some perspective regarding how fortunate Montana fans have been regarding both its men's and women's basketball teams... at least since about 1975.

Consider this comparison, using Idaho as a prime example. The Vandals won the Big Sky tourney title for 2026 last night. It was Idaho's FIRST Big Sky tourney title since.... 1990. That, my friends, was one year before Travis DeCuire came to Montana as its future championship-winning (1991-2) point guard!

Since 1990: Idaho... Zero
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Montana? Courtesy of the Big Sky Conference, Here are the titles that the Montana Grizzlies have won:
Montana Griz Hoops titles since 1990. (I'll include the Vandals for comparison...)

1990: Idaho -- Conference & Tourney

1991: Montana – Conference & Tourney

1992: Montana – Conference & Tourney

1995: Montana: -- Tourney

1997: Montana – Conference

2000: Montana – Conference

2002: Montana: -- Tourney

2005: Montana: -- Tourney

2006: Montana: -- Tourney

2010: Montana: -- Tourney

2012: Montana – Conference & Tourney

2013: Montana – Conference & Tourney

2015: Montana – Conference

2018: Montana – Conference & Tourney

2019: Montana – Conference & Tourney

2025: Montana – Conference & Tourney


2026: Idaho -- Tourney

P.S This list does NOT include the... I believe 11 or 12 times the Griz advanced to a quarter- or semifinal game between 2015 and 2026.

As a Montana Griz fan, I have had the extreme GOOD fortune to watch all those games in person. I could not ask for more. However, I am betting that (knock on wood, old man) there will be more to come!
 
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Like my eGriz posting friends, I'll probably chip-in with some "armchair coaching" suggestions for how the Griz might move forward. Start with this: Coach DeCuire has emphasized more than once his philosophy/objective of recruiting high school talent and building teams that grow as a unit. I think this year's team is the first year of that kind of team... similar to the historic team that played from 2016-2019 while winning both the conference and tourney titles in 2018 and 2019. Incidentally... THAT team -- while they were frosh-sophomores -- was eliminated in early round quarter/semi tourney games.

But I think we need some perspective regarding how fortunate Montana fans have been regarding both its men's and women's basketball teams... at least since about 1975.

Consider this comparison, using Idaho as a prime example. The Vandals won the Big Sky tourney title for 2026 last night. It was Idaho's FIRST Big Sky tourney title since.... 1990. That, my friends, was one year before Travis DeCuire came to Montana as its future championship-winning (1991-2) point guard!

Since 1990: Idaho... Zero
.
Montana? Courtesy of the Big Sky Conference, Here are the titles that the Montana Grizzlies have won:
Montana Griz Hoops titles since 1990. (I'll include the Vandals for comparison...)

1990: Idaho -- Conference & Tourney

1991: Montana – Conference & Tourney

1992: Montana – Conference & Tourney

1995: Montana: -- Tourney

1997: Montana – Conference

2000: Montana – Conference

2002: Montana: -- Tourney

2005: Montana: -- Tourney

2006: Montana: -- Tourney

2010: Montana: -- Tourney

2012: Montana – Conference & Tourney

2013: Montana – Conference & Tourney

2015: Montana – Conference

2018: Montana – Conference & Tourney

2019: Montana – Conference & Tourney

2025: Montana – Conference & Tourney


2026: Idaho -- Tourney

P.S This list does NOT include the... I believe 11 or 12 times the Griz advanced to a quarter- or semifinal game between 2015 and 2026.

As a Montana Griz fan, I have had the extreme GOOD fortune to watch all those games in person. I could not ask for more. However, I am betting that (knock on wood, old man) there will be more to come!
Journal:
I don't disagree with that. The question is, what's your standard?

I surely don't want it to be, "Hey, we're way better than Idaho!"

Me, I'm not a huge fan of the Big Sky Conference, especially in basketball. I confess it's been good for the football program. But for basketball, it's deprived us of bigger markets, which would have helped recruting, and the appeal of seeing, say, a Kawhi Leonard, that might have increased our dismal attendance.

Being consistently at or near the top of one of the worst basketball conferences is country not a huge badge of honor.

There's a lot of good in this program, both now and through the past 50 years. But striving for better is not a bad thing either.
 
Yes, I took a cold shower after my rant following the Portland State game. But a cold shower does not obviate the obvious needs for this program moving forward.

BIGS: The one stat that LEAPS out the box score of the championship game: Idaho outrebounded us 42-28! Four Vandals had as many or more rebounds as our leading rebounder. And that player was a GUARD, Money Williams, with five. That is PATHETIC.

Furthermore, this has been a problem for this program since DeCuire took over. Chapter and verse of great guards in this program, but a DEARTH of credible rim-protecting big men. And next year? Three more high school guards on the way, to add to a roster already loaded with guards.

Listen, small ball is dead. Bigs have learned to shoot. And if we can't get one or two bona fide rim protectors into this program, any hope of a Sweet Sixeen appearance is DOA. Whether DeCuire and his staff can get this done will be Priority ONE moving forward.

OFFENSE: I've been arguing for several years now for the football equivalent of an offensive coordinator for this program. DeCuire preaches defense, and he's good at it, give him full credit. But the scoring droughts have been all too frequent for years, and our inability to deal with a full-court press is criminal.

During halftime of the Portland State game, my Caorlina bud texted me about how impressed he was with Money Williams. But I said, "Believe me, we Griz fans know a 19-point lead is not safe. They'll throw a press at us and we'll blow it. Every Montana fan knows what's coming." And sure enough. A near-collapse--19 points in ten minutes--that would have been devastating. And DeCuire's comment that he likes to "make it interesting for Griz fans" did not tickle me one bit.

This is something any coach deals with from day one. Back in the way-distant-past John Wooden built a dynasty on the full-court press, but coaches eventually learned to deal with it. Later, when Paul Westhead took his pressing defense to the pro's, coaches easily dealt with it. But after all this, with all this history to study, DeCuire and his staff still don't know how to attack it, and our late-game collapses against the press have become commonplace. A good offensive coordinator could fix this in five minutes. It should have beenn fixed long ago.

MONEY: God love him. What a gutty performance! Too sick for even the shoot-around, and yet he leads us in points, rebounds and assists in a championship game. Does he return?

I highly doubt it--but we'll soon know. If he's a second round pick, go for it--especially if that team is Portland. He should know well ahead of the draft. Remember, age is working against him. Many pro teams want to draft the 18 and 19-year olds, and tutor them for three or four years, versus having them play out their college ball. So I'd expect Money to announce for the draft quite soon.

FINALLY: Yes, I know DeCuire is a legendary player and coach at Montana. I think he's a great guy, a builder of character. I know he's the reason Money stayed for three years, and the reason we've been able to recurit so many great guards through his tenure.

But this program has flaws, and I think it's the job of DeCuire's boss--the athletic director--to sit down and discuss them with him. Otherwise, we're in a predicable rut with this program: A tough pre-season schedule where we get clobbered; an inexplicable loss to the likes of a Montana Tech; a credible Big Sky run (which we SHOULD be making each and every year in a conference as weak as the BIg Sky); followed then, if we win the conference, by a shellacking at the Big Dance.

My goals have for this program have always been high, after the near upstet of UCLA back in 1975, after we came within one half of a Sweet Sixteen appearance back in 2005, and after our legendary coaching tree has given the school such basketball credibility. I've never felt smug about being a "Big Sky power."

The easist way to succeed is to lower your expectations. Too many on this board appaarnetly have.
I thought you didn't care about Griz bball anymore and weren't ever going to spend much time thinking or posting about the team.
 
Solid wishlist. I'll add a little insight.
We need a few players with legendary off season commitment. Seems like we haven't had the last few years.

Are there any Jordan Gregory like off season warriors? I sure hope so. There's a few under utilized players with huge open opportunities to take advantage of.


Can you imagine Betts and or Jedkins adding no less than 20lbs of muscle?
Both are capable of being versatile inside outside defenders, basically Moorehead type impact defenders, with more rebounding upside. Betts has a very high ceiling if he can overcome injuries and 100% commit to getting stronger. No doubt, the door is wide open for both. Will both or either take advantage of the opportunity?

We need a true PG. Henderson get your ass in the weight room and be handling a basketball everywhere you go! He's already quick. Just needs better handles and strength. Again, off season commitment to strength and ball handling, does himself and the team wonders. Is it to far fetched for him to build himself into DeCuire's PG?

Who's the GRIZ with the most upside that returns? I think Hicks and Thompson could each be all conference MVP contenders. Ironically, they both need to improve their games in the same way.

They're already strong. Each needs to improve their ball handling and more consistency from 3. Hicks could be a pg, if he improves his ball handling.

Ideally, I'd like to see Hendeson, Hicks, and Thompson as the top 3 guards next season, without having to bring in a transfer guard. The incoming freshmen class has plenty of guards too.

I want to see the staff entirely focus on 6'9"+ rebounding paint defenders transfers this off season. I'll happily take an Oke type to develop.

My big wildcard, what if Dick becomes a consistent perimeter shooter?

Overall, I'm hoping every returner commits themselves this off season as I suggested. Also, hoping the staff at worse gets 1 rebounding paint defending big.

I'd really like to dust off my Jordan Gregory award for off season dedication.
Who do you all think is the most likely to earn that?
 
Journal:
I don't disagree with that. The question is, what's your standard?

I surely don't want it to be, "Hey, we're way better than Idaho!"

Me, I'm not a huge fan of the Big Sky Conference, especially in basketball. I confess it's been good for the football program. But for basketball, it's deprived us of bigger markets, which would have helped recruting, and the appeal of seeing, say, a Kawhi Leonard, that might have increased our dismal attendance.

Being consistently at or near the top of one of the worst basketball conferences is country not a huge badge of honor.

There's a lot of good in this program, both now and through the past 50 years. But striving for better is not a bad thing either.
citygriz: I DO have standards for UM sports and have done quite a bit of research over the years analyzing Montana's membership in the Big Sky. The eGriz poster with whom my views most closely align is Everettgriz: we both believe the Big Sky Conference is a dead end for Montana WHICH averages almost double the attendance numbers in all sports combined than the rest of the Big Sky combined (thanks primarily to football, soccer mbb, wbb, vb and softball).

IF I had a spare 40 million bucks, I'd donate it to UM with explicit instructions to do whatever it takes to get Montana into the Mountain West.

Once in the Mountain West (where Montana's attendance numbers would stack up pretty well) EVERY team sport program could be competitive (in recruiting, facilities and competition) within 3-5 years, if not sooner... particularly football, men's hoops, soccer, volleyball and softball. Women's hoops could get there soon as well. Montana already sponsors the most, if not all, sports in the MWC. Montana's recruitment capabilities would immediately skyrocket. So would Montana's home attendance figures in all team sports. It would be good for Missoula, western Montana and UM... for many reasons.

But the obstacles are heavy. As a state university, I doubt that politicians would allow Montana to split without dragging MSU along... and MSU ain't interested, for many reasons.

There's a lot of discussion going on in the eGriz football threads, but I simply am pessimistic regarding the powers that be thinking a move can be made. So... I'm happy to follow my team in ALL these sports (I go to them all) and thankful for still being able (at my age) to do so. Go Griz: fball, mbball, wbball, vball, soc, sb etc.
 
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citygriz: I DO have standards for UM sports and have done quite a bit of research over the years analyzing Montana's membership in the Big Sky. The eGriz poster with whom my views most closely align is Everettgriz: we both believe the Big Sky Conference is a dead end for Montana WHICH averages almost double the attendance numbers in all sports combined than the rest of the Big Sky combined (thanks primarily to football, soccer mbb, wbb, vb and softball).

IF I had a spare 40 million bucks, I'd donate it to UM with explicit instructions to do whatever it takes to get Montana into the Mountain West.

Once in the Mountain West (where Montana's attendance numbers would stack up pretty well) EVERY team sport program could be competitive (in recruiting, facilities and competition) within 3-5 years, if not sooner... particularly football, men's hoops, soccer, volleyball and softball. Women's hoops could get there soon as well. Montana already sponsors the most, if not all, sports in the MWC. Montana's recruitment capabilities would immediately skyrocket. So would Montana's home attendance figures in all team sports. It would be good for Missoula, western Montana and UM... for many reasons.

But the obstacles are heavy. As a state university, I doubt that politicians would allow Montana to split without dragging MSU along... and MSU ain't interested, for many reasons.

There's a lot of discussion going on in the eGriz football threads, but I simply am pessimistic regarding the powers that be thinking a move can be made. So... I'm happy to follow my team in ALL these sports (I go to them all) and thankful for still being able (at my age) to do so. Go Griz: fball, mbball, wbball, vball, soc, sb etc.
It all depends on who we hire as our next president. If he’s the ultimate go-getter and wants substantial growth all across the University, then he may have the desire to get us to the MWC. Deputy AD Greg Sundberg is on the hiring committee. Shoot him an email and provide your input. Quietly he may agree with you!
 
I agree with City's point about poor rebounding and lack of effort. Griz Players like Rod Brandon, Rob Hurley, K.C. McGowan, etc. were able to be good defenders & good rebounders without being > 6'4" or 6'5". Opponents trying to cut across the lane were introduced to a sharp elbow, and guys like them understood how to make contact and block out for a rebound.
 
Point guard, someone who can break down people on the dribble and take the ball to the hoop and finish through contact.

Another year for many.

Big international player from Australia, Croatia, Spain, Lithuania, etc.
 
Let's not forget that this was a very young team, sort of reminded me of the young 2015-16 Griz: Two frosh starters, 2 sophs, 2 juniors and a lone (veteran) senior up against Big Sky teams weighted heavily with seniors (PSU and EWU with 8; MSU and Idaho with 4 and every other team except Weber State with at least 3). They made mistakes, had off nights & didn't match up well with some teams. But in my opinion they have a very high ceiling and -- depending on how the roster shapes up for next season -- should be a ton of fun to watch next year. Yes: I think they need a legit stud transfer to replace TeJon.
 
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