Win At All Cost….Garza Out

[bigsky33]

Garza’s contract was not renewed. It was coming up for renewal. He can’’t sue.for that. Glad he is finally gone.

Yet, MSU renewed it last year after the DUI. And everyone here at that time said it completely nullifies the excuse that he could sue. Everyone on this board pointed out that simply not renewing without listing a cause would not get them sued, and he was renewed anyway.

I think you seem like a perfectly find person here over the last year, but you have to acknowledge that cognitive dissonance, yes?

I am just stating that the announcement that MSU made today said that they opted not to renew his contract. Like I said I do not have any facts other than that. I do not know the details or facts behind what you are saying about what happened after the DUI. I don't know if what you said was posted on here was actually factual. I am just glad he is gone. My take was he should have been suspended right after the DUI until a court verdict.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Yet, MSU renewed it last year after the DUI. And everyone here at that time said it completely nullifies the excuse that he could sue. Everyone on this board pointed out that simply not renewing without listing a cause would not get them sued, and he was renewed anyway.

I think you seem like a perfectly find person here over the last year, but you have to acknowledge that cognitive dissonance, yes?

I am just stating that the announcement that MSU made today said that they opted not to renew his contract. Like I said I do not have any facts other than that. I do not know the details or facts behind what you are saying about what happened after the DUI. I don't know if what you said was posted on here was actually factual. I am just glad he is gone. My take was he should have been suspended right after the DUI until a court verdict.

My take was that he should have been suspended as well. We agreed on that. But you do know his contract was renewed after his DUI. It was posted in news articles and it was mentioned here. He got a renewal last year AFTER the DUI. So logic would dictate that his DUI had nothing to do with his lack of a renewal. However, not winning games will get you not renewed. The point people here are making is that clearly MSU holds that "win at all costs" mentality that the U of M was wrongly accused of a decade ago.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I thought it was renewed (with a raise) last April/May. The reason why I thought so was the news announcing that his contract was renewed last April/May (with a raise). Seven-month contract or something? Dude got fired. I expect an expedited trial/plea process now that all the winning is done.

It was announced that his contract was non-renewed. I don't know any other facts.

Correction: It was reported that his contract will not be renewed. Meaning that when it is up, he will not get a new contract that includes another raise. Something MSU could've easily done last renewal period if they cared about anything but winning.

As Elrod notes above, if MSU thinks it's OK liability wise to announce the plan not to renew/raise NOW, why wasn't the same thing done a year ago after DUI #3? What has changed? The "due-process" is still "due-processing", so what's the difference? If you look objectively, I think you'll know the answer.

 

[bigsky33]

I am just stating that the announcement that MSU made today said that they opted not to renew his contract. Like I said I do not have any facts other than that. I do not know the details or facts behind what you are saying about what happened after the DUI. I don't know if what you said was posted on here was actually factual. I am just glad he is gone. My take was he should have been suspended right after the DUI until a court verdict.

My take was that he should have been suspended as well. We agreed on that. But you do know his contract was renewed after his DUI. It was posted in news articles and it was mentioned here. He got a renewal last year AFTER the DUI. So logic would dictate that his DUI had nothing to do with his lack of a renewal. However, not winning games will get you not renewed. The point people here are making is that clearly MSU holds that "win at all costs" mentality that the U of M was wrongly accused of a decade ago.

I can see why people think that. I don't know the actual factors that led to their decisions on Garza. I didn't agree with them.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

My take was that he should have been suspended as well. We agreed on that. But you do know his contract was renewed after his DUI. It was posted in news articles and it was mentioned here. He got a renewal last year AFTER the DUI. So logic would dictate that his DUI had nothing to do with his lack of a renewal. However, not winning games will get you not renewed. The point people here are making is that clearly MSU holds that "win at all costs" mentality that the U of M was wrongly accused of a decade ago.

I can see why people think that. I don't know the actual factors that led to their decisions on Garza. I didn't agree with them.

Tough look for the administration that hid behind its new "policy" of waiting for "due-process" to play out for over a year. Given that the case is pending, and he was constructively terminated, did the university violate its own policy? If not, why not? What did the team not do as much this year compared to last year?

 

[Ursa Major]

I can see why people think that. I don't know the actual factors that led to their decisions on Garza. I didn't agree with them.

Tough look for the administration that hid behind its new "policy" of waiting for "due-process" to play out for over a year. Given that the case is pending, and he was constructively terminated, did the university violate its own policy? If not, why not? What did the team not do as much this year compared to last year?

Speaking of the administration, if you examine recent cat football history, many of the problems date back to when Ron Ash jilted Waded. This led to the firing of the cats’ winningest coach in history and it’s been downhill from there.

This leaves any casual observer to wonder: Does Waded Cruzado secretly hate cat football?

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Tough look for the administration that hid behind its new "policy" of waiting for "due-process" to play out for over a year. Given that the case is pending, and he was constructively terminated, did the university violate its own policy? If not, why not? What did the team not do as much this year compared to last year?

Speaking of the administration, if you examine recent cat football history, many of the problems date back to when Ron Ash jilted Waded. This led to the firing of the cats’ winningest coach in history and it’s been downhill from there.

This leaves any casual observer to wonder: Does Waded Cruzado secretly hate cat football?

More info on Ron jilting Cruzado, please. I somehow missed this!

 

[Ursa Major]

Speaking of the administration, if you examine recent cat football history, many of the problems date back to when Ron Ash jilted Waded. This led to the firing of the cats’ winningest coach in history and it’s been downhill from there.

This leaves any casual observer to wonder: Does Waded Cruzado secretly hate cat football?

More info on Ron jilting Cruzado, please. I somehow missed this!

Look no further than the fine board you are currently reading, my friend. It was widely speculated of a secret affair back in 2013-2015.

You don’t wake up at a quarter to 5 every morning to iron creases in your pants to impress the guys on your football team. Coach Ron Ash was a notorious P-hound.

 

[bigsky33]

I can see why people think that. I don't know the actual factors that led to their decisions on Garza. I didn't agree with them.

Tough look for the administration that hid behind its new "policy" of waiting for "due-process" to play out for over a year. Given that the case is pending, and he was constructively terminated, did the university violate its own policy? If not, why not? What did the team not do as much this year compared to last year?

Does anyone know how far in advance that notice of intent for non-renewal must be given? Non- renewing a contract has nothing to do with the status of a DUI case. MSU said that their policy is to wait for due process. Since due process didn’t happen before his contract came up for renewal, the policy becomes irrelevant. If due process had taken place prior, then their policy would have come into play and they would have taken an action.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Tough look for the administration that hid behind its new "policy" of waiting for "due-process" to play out for over a year. Given that the case is pending, and he was constructively terminated, did the university violate its own policy? If not, why not? What did the team not do as much this year compared to last year?

Does anyone know how far in advance that notice of intent for non-renewal must be given? Non- renewing a contract has nothing to do with the status of a DUI case. MSU said that their policy is to wait for due process. Since due process didn’t happen before his contract came up for renewal, the policy becomes irrelevant. If due process had taken place prior, then their policy would have come into play and they would have taken an action.

I'm going to try to make this point again: His contract was renewed (with a raise) after DUI #3, but before "due-process" last year. We were told MSU had to do it because "due-process" hadn't played out, he could be innocent, etc. "Due-process" still has not played out, but NOW they aren't going to renew.

What changed between last year and this year? The Bobteam didn't . . . [blank] as much. Fill in the blank.

 

[bigsky33]

Does anyone know how far in advance that notice of intent for non-renewal must be given? Non- renewing a contract has nothing to do with the status of a DUI case. MSU said that their policy is to wait for due process. Since due process didn’t happen before his contract came up for renewal, the policy becomes irrelevant. If due process had taken place prior, then their policy would have come into play and they would have taken an action.

I'm going to try to make this point again: His contract was renewed (with a raise) after DUI #3, but before "due-process" last year. We were told MSU had to do it because "due-process" hadn't played out, he could be innocent, etc. "Due-process" still has not played out, but NOW they aren't going to renew.

What changed between last year and this year? The Bobteam didn't . . . [blank] as much. Fill in the blank.

Good point.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Tough look for the administration that hid behind its new "policy" of waiting for "due-process" to play out for over a year. Given that the case is pending, and he was constructively terminated, did the university violate its own policy? If not, why not? What did the team not do as much this year compared to last year?

Does anyone know how far in advance that notice of intent for non-renewal must be given? Non- renewing a contract has nothing to do with the status of a DUI case. MSU said that their policy is to wait for due process. Since due process didn’t happen before his contract came up for renewal, the policy becomes irrelevant. If due process had taken place prior, then their policy would have come into play and they would have taken an action.

I can't imagine that assistant coach contracts have a requirement to notify of intention of non-renewal. I assume the contracts just end on the end date, and if not renewed by the school, everything is done and over.

Some contracts for mucky mucks have a notice of non-renewal clause. I know O'Day had one like that when he was AD. I doubt that head coaches have any such clause either. Coaches get judged and decisions are made after seasons generally.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Does anyone know how far in advance that notice of intent for non-renewal must be given? Non- renewing a contract has nothing to do with the status of a DUI case. MSU said that their policy is to wait for due process. Since due process didn’t happen before his contract came up for renewal, the policy becomes irrelevant. If due process had taken place prior, then their policy would have come into play and they would have taken an action.

I'm going to try to make this point again: His contract was renewed (with a raise) after DUI #3, but before "due-process" last year. We were told MSU had to do it because "due-process" hadn't played out, he could be innocent, etc. "Due-process" still has not played out, but NOW they aren't going to renew.

What changed between last year and this year? The Bobteam didn't . . . [blank] as much. Fill in the blank.

As you and I said all along, the wait-for-due process stuff was total BS. Actually, borderline dishonest.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

More info on Ron jilting Cruzado, please. I somehow missed this!

Look no further than the fine board you are currently reading, my friend. It was widely speculated of a secret affair back in 2013-2015.

You don’t wake up at a quarter to 5 every morning to iron creases in your pants to impress the guys on your football team. Coach Ron Ash was a notorious P-hound.

Oh my, I had missed that. What a terrible mental image to have created for me....

 

[garizzalies]

{Absolutely nothing}

Where is vegan hiding?

When is the press conference?

What questions will you be asking at the next presser?

When are you or anyone going to address this mess?

I thought you said you were waiting until after the season when it was resolved…well?

 

[EverettGriz]

{Absolutely nothing}

Where is vegan hiding?

When is the press conference?

What questions will you be asking at the next presser?

When are you or anyone going to address this mess?

I thought you said you were waiting until after the season when it was resolved…well?

:lol:

For the article to not even MENTION the legal trouble facing Garza and others on the staff....I'm at a complete loss, there.

 

[markson161]

It never was about due process. MSU Admistration, MSU Coaches, MSU Boosters and Fans all knew this was “their year”. Win it all and no one will ever remember or think about Garza or Housewright again. Unfortunately they could only beat one team with a winning record, got crushed by the Griz and were one and done in the playoffs.
Vigen wants out and his teams performance the last two games and the legal troubles of his coordinators made sure he stays put for now. Only way now for him to find a way out of Bozeman is to try and show his interviewers he is doing the right thing and start cleaning house. To little to late, and it’s not going to be “their year” next year either.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Where is vegan hiding?

When is the press conference?

What questions will you be asking at the next presser?

When are you or anyone going to address this mess?

I thought you said you were waiting until after the season when it was resolved…well?

:lol:

For the article to not even MENTION the legal trouble facing Garza and others on the staff....I'm at a complete loss, there.

Very strange omission(s). IDK if I’ve read an article like that before. Meaning, a coach firing, but focusing only on the promotion. Odd stuff.

 

[bigsky33]

Does anyone know how far in advance that notice of intent for non-renewal must be given? Non- renewing a contract has nothing to do with the status of a DUI case. MSU said that their policy is to wait for due process. Since due process didn’t happen before his contract came up for renewal, the policy becomes irrelevant. If due process had taken place prior, then their policy would have come into play and they would have taken an action.

I can't imagine that assistant coach contracts have a requirement to notify of intention of non-renewal. I assume the contracts just end on the end date, and if not renewed by the school, everything is done and over.

Some contracts for mucky mucks have a notice of non-renewal clause. I know O'Day had one like that when he was AD. I doubt that head coaches have any such clause either. Coaches get judged and decisions are made after seasons generally.

I thought that I read somewhere that all contracted University employees had to be given advance notice of contract non- renewal. And, it was a lengthy time frame. That is why I was asking if anyone had first hand knowledge.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I can't imagine that assistant coach contracts have a requirement to notify of intention of non-renewal. I assume the contracts just end on the end date, and if not renewed by the school, everything is done and over.

Some contracts for mucky mucks have a notice of non-renewal clause. I know O'Day had one like that when he was AD. I doubt that head coaches have any such clause either. Coaches get judged and decisions are made after seasons generally.

I thought that I read somewhere that all contracted University employees had to be given advance notice of contract non- renewal. And, it was a lengthy time frame. That is why I was asking if anyone had first hand knowledge.

That can't be true.