Williams: UM has recruited 'thugs' for football team

[getgrizzy]

Once again eGriz hates the truth when it punches them in the mouth.

Please tell me that ALL of you deep down know your wrong or you are a bigger bunch of idiots than I thought.



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i'm a little disappointed too that a big chunk of our fan base on egriz, including some of the more trusted voices on here, have glommed onto williams quote when milt's is just as bad, actually worse, and it probably still wouldn't have been mentioned if i didn't bring it up. it's not very encouraging.

 

[BWahlberg]

My bad on Stuberg and Montana - Nate had an MIP I beleive.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Once again eGriz hates the truth when it punches them in the mouth.

Please tell me that ALL of you deep down know your wrong or you are a bigger bunch of idiots than I thought.



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i'm a little disappointed too that a big chunk of our fan base on egriz, including some of the more trusted voices on here, have glommed onto williams quote when milt's is just as bad, actually worse, and it probably still wouldn't have been mentioned if i didn't bring it up. it's not very encouraging.

Its par for this course.

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[84GRIZ]

Does anybody know if this statement from a previous thread is true or if so has Williams been approved yet????

grizfromhel wrote:
The appointment of Pat Williams to the Board of Regents (by Mr. Bobcat Brian Schweitzer) must be approved by the Republican controlled State Senate in the upcoming Session. Things are going to get very interested, methinks.

 

[Raider]

I know it goes against your passive-aggressive natures, but have you guys ever thought of complaining to the source, instead of posting your rants on an anonymous message board? I know it’s hard to believe, but the BOR isn’t some untouchable entity out there in lala land. Their contact information is easily accessible.

It’s like the Gwen Florio issue. If you don’t like it, grow a pair, and pick up the phone.

If you guys are that passionate about the Griz, have the stones to express your opinion to those who affect the outcome.

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

Williams was and still is a polician. It has been said that you can tell when a politician is lying because his lips are moving. He is far too political to be on the BOR. I presume bobcat Bryan Shweitzer appointed him?

 

[BWahlberg]

aside from williams comment there's this from datsopoulos. comments like this don't do us any favors.

“You have to believe that the presumption of innocence is somehow affected,” said Milt Datsopoulos, who represented Mr. Donaldson and is also on the National Advisory Board for Grizzly Athletics, a booster organization. He believes that his client’s sentence was more severe than it would have been had there not been what he called “a toxic atmosphere” in Missoula.

“They made him a poster child for a supposed major problem,” Mr. Datsopoulos said of Mr. Donaldson. “I don’t think a problem exists.”

this comment is probably catching the general public's eye more than the one by williams.

It sure doesn't. Beau raped a girl and admitted it, and it was revealed he did it before. If anything he got a light sentence considering the time waived and possibility for parole. Saying our "toxic" culture gave Beau a worse-off sentence for admitting to raping someone wasn't good at all either. And then as the article shows the linkage to an advisory and booster level... smh...

 

[Special K]

Pretty unprofessional statement for a regent. Make your comments heard to steve bullock, clay christian, and the other regents.

Exactly. This statement should not be tolerated by the university system at all. This type of statement from a leader will drive attendance down, could harm the value of a degree from the University and is unfair to all the kids on the team who have been good citizens. Despicable IMO.

I agree, we need to make a concerted effort to remove this guy from the Board. Start letting the governor know your thoughts

 

[zengriz]

...williams could give a hell of a speech...
...but when it waz all said and done...
...there waz more said than done...

... ...

 

[Cats2506]

aside from williams comment there's this from datsopoulos. comments like this don't do us any favors.

“You have to believe that the presumption of innocence is somehow affected,” said Milt Datsopoulos, who represented Mr. Donaldson and is also on the National Advisory Board for Grizzly Athletics, a booster organization. He believes that his client’s sentence was more severe than it would have been had there not been what he called “a toxic atmosphere” in Missoula.

“They made him a poster child for a supposed major problem,” Mr. Datsopoulos said of Mr. Donaldson. “I don’t think a problem exists.”

this comment is probably catching the general public's eye more than the one by williams.

thats some good stuff, right there, looks to me like the NYT has reveled a new poster child for sleazy lawyers. :thumb:

 

[griz5700]

That's such an insult to the majority of the kids on this team and on prior teams who are and were good people and excellent citizens. You can't deny past issues but to make a broad statement which implies guilt by association AND that it's on-going still... really frustrates me.

Agree 100%. What a stupid thing to say. Just infuriates me.

 

[Jerry Punch]

In addition to the attorney's statement, Montana has its own legal defense team of one named PlayerRep. It doesn't matter how guilty or innocent the athlete is - PlayerRep will find a way to their innocence. Guys like that are also dangerous and more contributory to this "toxic environment" than the athletes turned defendants are themselves.

 

[GrizFan2011]

This is outrageous and must stop. While we cannot stop irresponsible and sensationalist media, we can TAKE ACTION against taxpayer funded public officials who make slanderous statements.

What we can do;
1. Whoever knows how to implement an on-line petition, etc. please get it going
2. As a father of a player, I plan to request that the President make a public statement condemning such statements. What if he said the "University attracts sluts"?
3. I plan to seek legal advice as to whether I can take direct legal or adminsitrative actoin against Mr. Williams. His public statement is knowing false, reckless or intentional and damaging to the reputation of all players. One should note, this statement may be leaglly actionable by the coaching staff (current and past)
Blogging at one-another may make some of you feel good about yourself, but if you want to support this program, the University and the kids then this type of the most vile bullying must be confronted boldly.

I agree that the comment was incendiary, but how was it false? There definitely have been proven cases of rape and beatings. I don't recall the vandalism, but there it is hard to keep track, and vandalism is hardly unlikely. Hell, he didn't even mention the dui's, the drugs, or the other problems with partying. The problem with UM isn't that someone is speaking openly about the problems associated with the football team --- it is the problems associated with the football team. I think we are on the road to curing them, but pretending that they never happened is certainly not the way to do it.

In a nutshell; no, the statement is certainly not legally actionable by anyone because for slander to happen the statement must be false, and it unfortunately is not.

The problem with the comment is that it focuses on just the football team. There have been very few instances with the team (I'm talking about the number of players charged with crimes versus the 100 or so football players). If the problem is out of the ordinary and just involved football players then so be it but it is NOT out of the ordinary and does NOT just involve FB. The alleged crimes and DUIs, etc. are all across the student population at UM and all Universities. There is no justice in Williams' comment because he puts the whole issue on the backs of the football team.

 

[EverettGriz]

I'll just say the absolute bare minimum:

Those comments, coming from a Regent, are extremely disappointing and damaging to the entire University. Since that would then seemingly constitute a breach of Mr. Williams' responsibilities as a Regent, it would certainly behoove Mr. Bullock to replace Mr. Williams with someone who will put the interest of the University system first, and their need to grandstand in the newspapers somewhere further down the list of priorities.

 

[getgrizzy]

had williams prefaced his statement with "as a member of the montana board of regents part of my job is to work to correct situations like this." then made his statement. that would show that he's trying to be accountable. instead it looks likes he's "pointing out this problem those guys have over there." i'm sure the b.o.r. and u.m. administrators are giving him the benifit of the doubt on that.

 

[griz4always]

It is my belief that Mr. Williams has long recognized that he has virtually no legacy from his time in D.C. and honestly has largely been outshined by Mrs. Williams since that time. It really comes as no surprise that he would use this platform to try to finally establish himself as someone who left a mark. Sadly, it appears that his desire to do so outweighs any kind of ethics or any consideration for the thousands of student athletes that have been a part of this program. He can be noticed, and the rest is simply collateral damage. It is honestly sad and extremely self-serving for a member of the BOR to behave in this manner.

 

[EverettGriz]

Had Mr. Williams simply said (as he should have), something along the lines of, "While there have been some well-documented issues on UM's campus, we believe they are consistent with those colleges and universities across the nation face. Clearly, that doesn't excuse the actions. Consequently, at UM and at the BOR level, we're doing all we can to ensure that we eliminate any future incidents on our campuses", then he'd have my complete respect.

As of now, I hope Mr. Bullock elects to "go in another direction" with that particular Regent.

 

[grizatheart]

Some good things have been written in this thread, so I will keep my words short and sweet.

F***You Pat Williams.

 

[Cats2506]

The problem with the comment is that it focuses on just the football team. There have been very few instances with the team (I'm talking about the number of players charged with crimes versus the 100 or so football players). If the problem is out of the ordinary and just involved football players then so be it but it is NOT out of the ordinary and does NOT just involve FB. The alleged crimes and DUIs, etc. are all across the student population at UM and all Universities. There is no justice in Williams' comment because he puts the whole issue on the backs of the football team.

there is the flaw in your thinking, the problem isn't the number that have been charged, the problem is the number of crimes that were committed and swept under the rug so they were never charged, bobby must of had a cleanup team on speed-dial

 

[GrizMusician]

Some good things have been written in this thread, so I will keep my words short and sweet.

F***You Pat Williams.

+1 :lol:

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