Will Vaccine Passports Creep into Stadiums and Sports?

[MikeyGriz]

For those officials/entities that are power drunk with their authority and don't want to give it up, I say yes, it will happen. Missoula County Health Board is in the running for this distinction.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Of course. But you wouldn't believe it anyway, so I won't bother wasting your time or mine.

I am not trying to "prove" anything, but this is a timely article.

https://www.inlander.com/spokane/idaho-saved-more-jobs-during-the-pandemic-but-washington-prevented-more-deaths/Content?oid=21359465

Thanks for posting. Interesting - and not a waste of my time...

Don't be soft EG.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I am not trying to "prove" anything, but this is a timely article.

https://www.inlander.com/spokane/idaho-saved-more-jobs-during-the-pandemic-but-washington-prevented-more-deaths/Content?oid=21359465

Thanks for posting. Interesting - and not a waste of my time...

Don't be soft EG.

I still want to know what’s in the water in San Francisco. Their death rate is staggeringly low.

 

[PhxGriz]

Thanks for posting. Interesting - and not a waste of my time...

Don't be soft EG.

I still want to know what’s in the water in San Francisco. Their death rate is staggeringly low.

I would assume a population that is not AS overweight as the rest of America, in addition to higher humidity levels binding with COVID and preventing it from traveling as far.

Seattle seems to be the same way.

 

[PlayerRep]

I still want to know what’s in the water in San Francisco. Their death rate is staggeringly low.

I would assume a population that is not AS overweight as the rest of America, in addition to higher humidity levels binding with COVID and preventing it from traveling as far.

Seattle seems to be the same way.

And SF has many people used to taking precautions to avoid AIDS. Many people know how to avoid contagious diseases.

 

[Hoops watcher]

If they required me to cut off one of my toes with a rusty hacksaw and eat a bag of charcoal briquettes to attend live sporting events again, I'd probably end up doing it.

Same.

Honestly, getting the vaccine for me has nothing to do with "safety". I just want people to stop losing their minds and let the rest of us get back to living. If I need to get a shot or two to make that a reality than whatever. The idea of it is asinine to me however.

Unfortunately that cat ain't going back in the bag. Some people seem to like the way things are shaping up. But I'm with you on hoping shit settles, 1st Pfizer today.

 

[Hoops watcher]

I am not trying to "prove" anything, but this is a timely article.

https://www.inlander.com/spokane/idaho-saved-more-jobs-during-the-pandemic-but-washington-prevented-more-deaths/Content?oid=21359465

Thanks for posting. Interesting - and not a waste of my time...

Don't be soft EG.

We'll see how the lockdown effected numbers of drug and alcohol related deaths, excess suicide numbers, long term excess deaths from missed diagnostic tests and treatments for stuff like cancer down the road. The whole picture is far from clear at this point.

 

[Hoops watcher]

I still want to know what’s in the water in San Francisco. Their death rate is staggeringly low.

I would assume a population that is not AS overweight as the rest of America, in addition to higher humidity levels binding with COVID and preventing it from traveling as far.

Seattle seems to be the same way.

Possibly a lot of tech people doing work from home, would be similar in Seattle.. I remember seeing case maps of NYC early on which showed concentrations along subway routes.

 

[Hoops watcher]

I hope some on here realize that not only the vaccine manufacturers, but the CDC and WHO cannot claim that if you are vaccinated, you won't catch COVID again and spread it to others. The only claim they are willing to make at this point is that if you do catch COVID again, the symptoms will be reduced. The trials weren't designed to test that aspect.

Seems until they can prove catching COVID again and spreading it won't happen, you are inviting one huge super spreader event to occur at a vaccinated only game.

While my top statement is true, I am joking about the super spreader part, but there is a hint of truth to it.

True, but almost no one who has had the vaccine seems to have spread the covid. The theory is that those with the vaccine who may have gotten slightly sick don't have enough covid to spread it. AstraZeneca, not yet approved in the US, has shown 100% effectiveness against getting very sick, hospitalized or dying. The other top vaccines seem to be quite similar. Who cares if you get the equivalent of a cold. Since I did the AZ vaccine trial late last year, and then had an approved vaccine, I've been following AZ and the other vaccines very closely. Interesting,.

New study published by NIH (small sample size, no peer review) seems to suggest vaccines effective on variants. Interesting.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33594378/

 

[PlayerRep]

[This is a very informative article.]

"As Covid-19 vaccine eligibility opens up across the country, the United States is now confronting the question of what to do about vaccine passports. These could be digital certificates or scannable documents that can be used to verify a person’s vaccination status so they can travel more freely or go to large events. Some think a coordinated, nationwide vaccine passport system could help us get back to a semblance of normal life and speed up economic recovery. But this seems unlikely.

On Monday, White House press secretary Jen Psaki told reporters that “there will be no centralized universal federal vaccinations database, and no federal mandate requiring everyone to obtain a single vaccination credential.” Instead, the Biden administration has decided to leave it to the states and the private sector to figure this out, with the federal government setting some baseline guidance."

"Everything you need to know about vaccine passports

The Biden administration says it’s leaving digital vaccination records up to states and the private sector."

Read in Vox: https://apple.news/AylkAMO5QTz6rMMYJTZKrLQ

 

[PlayerRep]

"It's possible that some people who are fully vaccinated could get COVID-19. The evidence isn't clear whether they can spread the virus to others. We are continuing to evaluate the evidence."

"Vaccinated People Do Not Appear to Carry or Spread COVID-19, CDC Director Says

A large, real-world CDC study had vaccinated people test themselves for COVID-19 every week and the low number of cases indicates that they can’t even carry the virus asymptomatically.

Testing showed that the risk of infection went down by 90% two weeks or more after they received their second dose, and even just one dose was 80% effective after two weeks. Of the 2,479 people in the study who were fully vaccinated, just three contracted COVID-19, which is in line with the vaccine's efficacy. In comparison, the CDC also tracked 994 people who were not vaccinated, and 161 contracted COVID-19. No one in the study died.

Read in People: https://apple.news/ATLqo4vRaQzC3x-ep36l4Dw

 

[PlayerRep]

"Fully vaccinated people are at low-risk from travel, CDC says"

[Still a mixed and almost contradicting message.]

"Federal health officials gave the green light Friday for fully vaccinated people to resume travel as more than 100 million Americans have had at least one dose of coronavirus vaccine, and evidence mounts of the shots’ effectiveness.

While fully vaccinated people are at lower risk of infection, the officials said, travel is still not recommended due to the rising number of cases in the United States and globally.

The long-awaited guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is welcome news for the growing number of vaccinated adults who want greater freedom to visit family members and take vacations for the first time in a year. It is also expected to help boost the travel and airline industries that have been seeking a relaxation of restrictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/02/cdc-fully-vaccinated-may-travel/

 

[ranco]

"Fully vaccinated people are at low-risk from travel, CDC says"

[Still a mixed and almost contradicting message.]

"Federal health officials gave the green light Friday for fully vaccinated people to resume travel as more than 100 million Americans have had at least one dose of coronavirus vaccine, and evidence mounts of the shots’ effectiveness.

While fully vaccinated people are at lower risk of infection, the officials said, travel is still not recommended due to the rising number of cases in the United States and globally.

The long-awaited guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is welcome news for the growing number of vaccinated adults who want greater freedom to visit family members and take vacations for the first time in a year. It is also expected to help boost the travel and airline industries that have been seeking a relaxation of restrictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/02/cdc-fully-vaccinated-may-travel/

This statement makes me laugh. I was in Mexico two weeks ago on fully loaded planes. Appears lots of people were traveling without the CDC's "green light."

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Thanks for posting. Interesting - and not a waste of my time...

Don't be soft EG.

We'll see how the lockdown effected numbers of drug and alcohol related deaths, excess suicide numbers, long term excess deaths from missed diagnostic tests and treatments for stuff like cancer down the road. The whole picture is far from clear at this point.

Overall suicide deaths decreased from 2019 to 2020

https://www.axios.com/suicide-decreased-in-2020-pandemmic-mental-health-26196eaf-a245-4d21-85eb-eeb864a24449.html

 

[BigSkyBears]

"Fully vaccinated people are at low-risk from travel, CDC says"

[Still a mixed and almost contradicting message.]

"Federal health officials gave the green light Friday for fully vaccinated people to resume travel as more than 100 million Americans have had at least one dose of coronavirus vaccine, and evidence mounts of the shots’ effectiveness.

While fully vaccinated people are at lower risk of infection, the officials said, travel is still not recommended due to the rising number of cases in the United States and globally.

The long-awaited guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is welcome news for the growing number of vaccinated adults who want greater freedom to visit family members and take vacations for the first time in a year. It is also expected to help boost the travel and airline industries that have been seeking a relaxation of restrictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/02/cdc-fully-vaccinated-may-travel/

So why does Vice-President Biden, or CCP, or Comrade Biden still wear two masks???!!!!! He has his vaccination complete.

 

[PhxGriz]

I would assume a population that is not AS overweight as the rest of America, in addition to higher humidity levels binding with COVID and preventing it from traveling as far.

Seattle seems to be the same way.

Possibly a lot of tech people doing work from home, would be similar in Seattle.. I remember seeing case maps of NYC early on which showed concentrations along subway routes.

I'm not tech, but I've been working from home since last March. They shut down the Seattle area pretty hard last year.

I'm curious to see if we will have a spike when they finally relax restrictions. Hopefully those most susceptible will be vaccinated and we only see a case count rise and not deaths. I'm of the belief COVID will eventually find you and pretty thankful a good percentage have some level of immunity to begin with.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Someone told me a very high percentage of the people dying from covid were obese. Can't find the report...anyone seen it?

 

[tourist]

Fargo area again leads North Dakota in new Covid-19 cases.--www.inforum.com

Not the information you were looking for, but it'll do for now.

 

[PlayerRep]

Fargo area again leads North Dakota in new Covid-19 cases.--www.inforum.com

Not the information you were looking for, but it'll do for now.

From the link. No deaths in 9 days.

"No new COVID-19 deaths in North Dakota for ninth straight day

Despite daily decline in reported cases, the state's seven-day average increased slightly. Deaths remain unchanged for the ninth straight day."

 

[Buttegrizzle]

:lol:
You really think it would be a good idea to require upon entry paperwork of a vaccine for a virus that already has a 98 something percent survival rate?!

Woudn't it make more sense for those fearful of large events or fearful they may be near someone not vaccinated (despite being vaccinated themselves) to just avoid these large crowds? Man we live in a crazy world.

At MSU Costello said last week that getting a vaccine is a personal choice, but as long as it's available to anyone who wants to get it by then, we'll be going forward with this season completely normal, business as usual. Full capacity, and season ticket holders sitting in their own seats. Next to others sitting in their own seats. And those that are not comfortable with this setting, are more than welcome to not attend, or give up their season tickets. It's an amazing concept. Letting adults make their own decisions based on their own health and fear factors. :shock:

So, .500 ball it is.

I’ve been gone a while. I’m glad to see CDA still in top form!