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Will Qwally come round this year?

Guys, Guys, Guys,

Lou came on here to see if you all thought your seven foot great hope would become a force this year. Mslacat said that no coming around was necessary on Qvale's part. Lou, posted Qvale getting posterized probably to show that Qvale doesn't really play like a seven footer quite yet (at least that's what I took from it).

That's when everyone put words into Lou's mouth. I'd kinda be upset if I were him. He never said Qvale wasn't any good; or that he "shouldn't be playing" (as Athome analogized). Maybe I'm wrong, but it didn't seem like he started the discussion to turn it into GU Hooptalk.
 
grizpack said:
Maybe Lou can tell us if Gonzaga is finally going to live up to the hype, or will it be another bewildered look on all of their fans wondering "how did that happen"?
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You are probably right. I can hear the fans now, "How did that happen? We made the Big Dance again?"
 
citygriz said:
baron davis, then with the warriors, now of the clips, is the guy who dunked on kirilenko. this happened in the second round of the playoff series with utah a year ago. i saw it live, a fabulous athletic achievement, and it reminded me immediately of pargo's dunk on qvale.

as for the rest of the story...utah and kirilenko eliminated the warriors, while pargo and the zags went on to lose in the first round of the ncaa tournament, their second straight one-and-done at the big dance, causing many zag fans to call for few's scalp. in his defense, few reminded zag fans of pargo's remarkable dunk against montana.
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Wow, never heard that one! :lol:
 
You are wrong, grizpack. At least for this fan's expectations. Despite what you all like to think about zag fans, we don't all think that GU belongs in the same discussion as UNC; DUKE; UCLA; etc. It's cool if we have a shot at beating one of these teams once in awhile, but I haven't ever thought we were in the same class.

I am disappointed with a first round exit, but not because I expect deep tourney runs every year. Most zag fans are probably still in shock that the program has come from obscurity to a tourney team (and sometimes more) every year.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
You are wrong, grizpack. At least for this fan's expectations. Despite what you all like to think about zag fans, we don't all think that GU belongs in the same discussion as UNC; DUKE; UCLA; etc. It's cool if we have a shot at beating one of these teams once in awhile, but I haven't ever thought we were in the same class.

I am disappointed with a first round exit, but not because I expect deep tourney runs every year. Most zag fans are probably still in shock that the program has come from obscurity to a tourney team (and sometimes more) every year.
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Well, that's refreshing. Why the low goals though? This is not meant as a critique or "bash" but just curious. Maybe it's the nature of being a Griz fan, I don't know.

If I went to GU and saw the recruits coming in, from Gray to Daye to Brown, my expectations would be high. Bare minimum of sweet 16 last year and then hopefully an elite 8 appearance this year. the talent level at GU is probably as high as it's ever been. They made the step from mid-major to pseudo major years ago now it's time to keep going. Just my opinion. you never want the program get too comfortable with where it is. I know you have to look at where something is compared to where it used to be but it's also beneficial to look at where it is vs where it could be in the future.
 
Athome, I don't really think they are low goals. As I said, I don't view GU on the level of elite teams, nor do I think they ever will be considered on that level, by anyone, ever. More on that in a sec. But to expect a sweet 16 or elite 8 is kinda crazy, I think. Sure, I hope for it, like you said. But to expect it would mean to think it's more likely than not. With all that can go wrong in any CBB season (and the tourney), I would only expect it from a small handful of teams each season, and GU is never one of them; for me.

I don't think GU will ever be an elite team in CBB. Here's some of why:
-Our recruits are never as strong; when we get a good one it's usually just lucky that other teams overlooked him.
-Our recruits will never be as strong (by comparison). You can't break the cycle. The best want to go to the best, which makes the best remain the best, so more want to go to the best, etc. Tourney runs help, but the public perception will never put GU and UNC in the same league. Especially not for an 18 year old kid. <Possible catalyst for change: illegally pay the players; that'll get 'em to Spoky! :D >
-We do not play in a major conference and probably never will. No football? Options are pretty limited out west for major conferences. To become a perennially elite team, GU would have to play in a major conference (the reasons are so plentiful, I won't gon into them, but $$ is the central issue). People say "But look at all the teams that come out of small conferences and make the elite 8." Yeah, but it ain't sustainable (see above).

-I guess the big one is the recruiting, which stems from the lack of a power conference, which makes recruiting unlikely to ever be on par with elite teams. They are all interrelated.

Before anyone says it: yes, if everyone stays for more than a year, a non-elite team can be better than an elite one; for one season.

In sum, that is why i think it's cool to be right where GU is in terms of program power. Partly due to the above, to come from the bottom of a power conference to make the final four three years in a row doesn't seem as improbable to me as what GU has done. That's why I would not be ashamed if all GU ever did was make the tourney 18 years outta 20 and throw in about five sweet 16's and and two elite 8's during that time period. I truly believe that is all we can ever "expect" out of GU basketball.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
Athome, I don't really think they are low goals. As I said, I don't view GU on the level of elite teams, nor do I think they ever will be considered on that level, by anyone, ever. More on that in a sec. But to expect a sweet 16 or elite 8 is kinda crazy, I think. Sure, I hope for it, like you said. But to expect it would mean to think it's more likely than not. With all that can go wrong in any CBB season (and the tourney), I would only expect it from a small handful of teams each season, and GU is never one of them; for me.

I don't think GU will ever be an elite team in CBB. Here's some of why:
-Our recruits are never as strong; when we get a good one it's usually just lucky that other teams overlooked him.
-Our recruits will never be as strong (by comparison). You can't break the cycle. The best want to go to the best, which makes the best remain the best, so more want to go to the best, etc. Tourney runs help, but the public perception will never put GU and UNC in the same league. Especially not for an 18 year old kid. <Possible catalyst for change: illegally pay the players; that'll get 'em to Spoky! :D >
-We do not play in a major conference and probably never will. No football? Options are pretty limited out west for major conferences. To become a perennially elite team, GU would have to play in a major conference (the reasons are so plentiful, I won't gon into them, but $$ is the central issue). People say "But look at all the teams that come out of small conferences and make the elite 8." Yeah, but it ain't sustainable (see above).

-I guess the big one is the recruiting, which stems from the lack of a power conference, which makes recruiting unlikely to ever be on par with elite teams. They are all interrelated.

Before anyone says it: yes, if everyone stays for more than a year, a non-elite team can be better than an elite one; for one season.

In sum, that is why i think it's cool to be right where GU is in terms of program power. Partly due to the above, to come from the bottom of a power conference to make the final four three years in a row doesn't seem as improbable to me as what GU has done. That's why I would not be ashamed if all GU ever did was make the tourney 18 years outta 20 and throw in about five sweet 16's and and two elite 8's during that time period. I truly believe that is all we can ever "expect" out of GU basketball.
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Bravo; well put CDA, well put.
 
Lou said:
CDAGRIZ said:
Athome, I don't really think they are low goals. As I said, I don't view GU on the level of elite teams, nor do I think they ever will be considered on that level, by anyone, ever. More on that in a sec. But to expect a sweet 16 or elite 8 is kinda crazy, I think. Sure, I hope for it, like you said. But to expect it would mean to think it's more likely than not. With all that can go wrong in any CBB season (and the tourney), I would only expect it from a small handful of teams each season, and GU is never one of them; for me.

I don't think GU will ever be an elite team in CBB. Here's some of why:
-Our recruits are never as strong; when we get a good one it's usually just lucky that other teams overlooked him.
-Our recruits will never be as strong (by comparison). You can't break the cycle. The best want to go to the best, which makes the best remain the best, so more want to go to the best, etc. Tourney runs help, but the public perception will never put GU and UNC in the same league. Especially not for an 18 year old kid. <Possible catalyst for change: illegally pay the players; that'll get 'em to Spoky! :D >
-We do not play in a major conference and probably never will. No football? Options are pretty limited out west for major conferences. To become a perennially elite team, GU would have to play in a major conference (the reasons are so plentiful, I won't gon into them, but $$ is the central issue). People say "But look at all the teams that come out of small conferences and make the elite 8." Yeah, but it ain't sustainable (see above).

-I guess the big one is the recruiting, which stems from the lack of a power conference, which makes recruiting unlikely to ever be on par with elite teams. They are all interrelated.

Before anyone says it: yes, if everyone stays for more than a year, a non-elite team can be better than an elite one; for one season.

In sum, that is why i think it's cool to be right where GU is in terms of program power. Partly due to the above, to come from the bottom of a power conference to make the final four three years in a row doesn't seem as improbable to me as what GU has done. That's why I would not be ashamed if all GU ever did was make the tourney 18 years outta 20 and throw in about five sweet 16's and and two elite 8's during that time period. I truly believe that is all we can ever "expect" out of GU basketball.
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Bravo; well put CDA, well put.
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CDA, can we get copyrights for a similar post but inserting GRIZ football? ZAG basketball and GRIZ football have high expectations, some of which are too high by some fans of each. The best post from a ZAG fan ever on EGRIZ! (congrats for that, and the fact that I next to never give out kudos to Zag posters, but you earned that one!)
 
AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen said:
Said it elsewhere but I'd much rather have my sports teams have expectations and goals that are too high than ones that are too low.
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Oh, CDA and I want GU to have high expectations and goals for themselves, but we are realists and we are just happy with watching them compete in the big dance EVERY YEAR.

I think that is a way better accomplishment anyway. Any mid-major program can have a lucky year and go to the elite 8 or even the final 4. I would much rather have 10 straight years of tournament appearances than 1 elite 8 or 1 final 4 appearance.
 
Well put, Lou.

Anyway, can we get back on the topic of this thread now? It's not a GU bball thread. I also would like to know how Qwally is progressing. Seven feet in a UM jersey must be pretty exciting; but I hope he can put that height to use in the BSC.
 
Played golf with Q in the Roundball classic and must say that Montana could not have a better representative. A fine young man with a developing killer instinct. (the Praigo dunk still weighs heavily on his mind). He has put on 35 pounds and, in his words, is way stronger. He thinks the team chemistry will be a major force this year and he is high on McGillis and Taylor. Likes the Freshmen also. He made me excited about the upcoming season. As an aside, his brother was almost a Griz but couldn't turn down the chance to play for Nebraska. While I'm at it, let me state that Tinks is a very good coach and if he stays could be one of the great ones in Griz history. Hyperbole possibly, but thats my story and I am sticking to it.
 
THE BETCH said:
Played golf with Q in the Roundball classic and must say that Montana could not have a better representative. A fine young man with a developing killer instinct. (the Praigo dunk still weighs heavily on his mind). He has put on 35 pounds and, in his words, is way stronger. He thinks the team chemistry will be a major force this year and he is high on McGillis and Taylor. Likes the Freshmen also. He made me excited about the upcoming season. As an aside, his brother was almost a Griz but couldn't turn down the chance to play for Nebraska. While I'm at it, let me state that Tinks is a very good coach and if he stays could be one of the great ones in Griz history. Hyperbole possibly, but thats my story and I am sticking to it.
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Damn.
 
OK, now I'm more concerned with Qwally's golf game than I am with his low post progression. He had better hit it over 300 yards. If not, I have to forego many a theory. Lou knows of which I speak...
 
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