Why, yet again?

[maroonandsilver]

Weber lost both road games this weekend, to EWU and Idaho. Three losses in a row. They aren't exactly tearing it up, either.

 

[Proud Griz Man]

11 of 16 3-point shooting last night. Hot and cold. :shock:

 

[grizzlyjournal]

Great post. It's sad that our rivals have to remind us to appreciate how good we have it. Thanks Oldrunner; appreciate the Weber guys who post here.

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[mtgrizrule]

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Yes, overall we do have it good. However, there's nothing wrong with wanting to take things to a higher level.

In my opinion, this program, with DeCuire is capable of it. 2 things are holding back that next level, consistent reliable perimeter shooting, and better post players.

Constructively speaking, most seasons those things are holding us back, in DeCuire's time here. Am I wrong? Manuel was the closest player we had to being a true sniper. Most shooters aren't utilized consistently here. Yet, most other programs have 1 or more true shooters and utilize them. It's been a recipe for mid major NCAA tournament success for how long now?

Why can't we improve on offensive consistency and shooting?

 

[EverettGriz]

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Yes, overall we do have it good. However, there's nothing wrong with wanting to take things to a higher level.

In my opinion, this program, with DeCuire is capable of it. 2 things are holding back that next level, consistent reliable perimeter shooting, and better post players.

Constructively speaking, most seasons those things are holding us back, in every season since peach baskets. . Am I wrong? Manuel was the closest player we had to being a true sniper. Most shooters aren't utilized consistently here. Yet, most other programs have 1 or more true shooters and utilize them. It's been a recipe for mid major NCAA tournament success for how long now?

Why can't we improve on offensive consistency and shooting?

Yes, we need better post play. Yes, we need a 45% 3 ball shooter. So does every other team in the nation.

The problem isn’t TDC. The problem is we’re perceived as a low, low, low mid-major because unfortunately that’s who we associate ourselves with, and consequently we’re rarely going to get those players.

And yes, other teams get them occasionally , but how many of those players defend? We seem to beat a LOT of teams in the bsc with the players we get and the style we play.

 

[Zirg]

Yes, overall we do have it good. However, there's nothing wrong with wanting to take things to a higher level.

In my opinion, this program, with DeCuire is capable of it. 2 things are holding back that next level, consistent reliable perimeter shooting, and better post players.

Constructively speaking, most seasons those things are holding us back, in every season since peach baskets. . Am I wrong? Manuel was the closest player we had to being a true sniper. Most shooters aren't utilized consistently here. Yet, most other programs have 1 or more true shooters and utilize them. It's been a recipe for mid major NCAA tournament success for how long now?

Why can't we improve on offensive consistency and shooting?

Yes, we need better post play. Yes, we need a 45% 3 ball shooter. So does every other team in the nation.

The problem isn’t TDC. The problem is we’re perceived as a low, low, low mid-major because unfortunately that’s who we associate ourselves with, and consequently we’re rarely going to get those players.

And yes, other teams get them occasionally , but how many of those players defend? We seem to beat a LOT of teams in the bsc with the players we get and the style we play.

a)blaming a coach for a low 3-point percentage is ignorant. I think Lonell Martin missed 9 3-pointers in a row earlier in the season. Now, he looks good, and we should all want him to keep shooting. Sometimes you gotta shoot your way out of a slump. Again, it's not the coaches' fault that now he found his stroke. When he was cold, Travis,wisely, limited his minutes

b) We have almost ZERO inside game, and I do blame Travis in that regard recruiting and cultivating-wise. He's always been a guard-heavy-guy, and that has resulted in a success in conference with quality players he has recruited and cultivated, but when we play Legit D-1 teams, our lack of any inside game has been obvious every time.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Yes, we need better post play. Yes, we need a 45% 3 ball shooter. So does every other team in the nation.

The problem isn’t TDC. The problem is we’re perceived as a low, low, low mid-major because unfortunately that’s who we associate ourselves with, and consequently we’re rarely going to get those players.

And yes, other teams get them occasionally , but how many of those players defend? We seem to beat a LOT of teams in the bsc with the players we get and the style we play.

a)blaming a coach for a low 3-point percentage is ignorant. I think Lonell Martin missed 9 3-pointers in a row earlier in the season. Now, he looks good, and we should all want him to keep shooting. Sometimes you gotta shoot your way out of a slump. Again, it's not the coaches' fault that now he found his stroke. When he was cold, Travis,wisely, limited his minutes

b) We have almost ZERO inside game, and I do blame Travis in that regard recruiting and cultivating-wise. He's always been a guard-heavy-guy, and that has resulted in a success in conference with quality players he has recruited and cultivated, but when we play Legit D-1 teams, our lack of any inside game has been obvious every time.

What or who is the common factor of the inconsistent 3 point shooting this whole time in most seasons? Just seems to me, this aspect can be improved, with just a little more emphasis and attention to detail.

I feel it's easier correctable than post play. Fact is, big quality post players are harder to get here, and development takes longer. Meanwhile, 6 foot to 6'7" players with solid shooting skills are more plentiful.

If I can improve the shooting mechanics of elementary age to high school aged kids, then it definitely can be done at this level, with much more skilled players.

To myself and others, 3 point scoring emphasis has room for improvement, and is a continuing weakness in the program. Just as defense, graduating, and staying out of trouble are staples of DeCuire's program. What's so wrong with that constructive criticism? Is it not true?

I feel, it's keeping DeCuire and the program from the next level. Again, how am I wrong? Or do people have a problem with anyone giving honest criticism?

I honestly don't understand, what's so difficult to understand regarding this.

 

[EverettGriz]

Rule, your criticisms are fair. But to be honest, they’re hardly revelations. We all know we need a dominant post and a knock-down sharp shooter. Travis knows that. You know that. I know that. Betty in Section 111, row 4, seat 6 knows that.

Here are my concerns with many posting in this thread:

1. The belief that TDC is somehow failing or the even more ridiculous suggestions he is on thin ice. Our fan base is damn spoiled, and they also have verrrrrrry selective memories of past GRIZ teams’ and coaches’ success (or lack there of). By nearly ANY measure, Travis is the most successful coach in GRIZ history. We should recognize that and enjoy the ride, understanding there will be a few downs with the ups.

2. The apparent belief by many on here that TDC need only snap his fingers to land 5 star big men and 3 point shooters. This is the freakin bsc. We barely register on any basketball maps, and certainly not those viewed by major recruits. The fact that Travis has been as successful as he has for 8 straight years in the bsc is nothing short of a fucking miracle.

 

[Ursa Major]

Are we shooting more 3s per game this year compared to the last several years?

 

[wyomingriz]

Rule, your criticisms are fair. But to be honest, they’re hardly revelations. We all know we need a dominant post and a knock-down sharp shooter. Travis knows that. You know that. I know that. Betty in Section 111, row 4, seat 6 knows that.

Here are my concerns with many posting in this thread:

1. The belief that TDC is somehow failing or the even more ridiculous suggestions he is on thin ice. Our fan base is damn spoiled, and they also have verrrrrrry selective memories of past GRIZ teams’ and coaches’ success (or lack there of). By nearly ANY measure, Travis is the most successful coach in GRIZ history. We should recognize that and enjoy the ride, understanding there will be a few downs with the ups.

2. The apparent belief by many on here that TDC need only snap his fingers to land 5 star big men and 3 point shooters. This is the freakin bsc. We barely register on any basketball maps, and certainly not those viewed by major recruits. The fact that Travis has been as successful as he has for 8 straight years in the bsc is nothing short of a f###[#] miracle.

A miracle?? With the facilities and support, in comparison to everyone else in conference, we should be successful. Come on, calling it a miracle is a stretch. Nothing wrong with having high expectations, nothing wrong with holding TD accountable to high expectations, especially in this conference, we are not in the PAC12! I haven't heard anyone say he is on thin ice, our base is spoiled and they should be. No one has said he should land 5 star big men and 3 point shooters, you are exaggerating just a bit :lol:

 

[mtgrizrule]

Rule, your criticisms are fair. But to be honest, they’re hardly revelations. We all know we need a dominant post and a knock-down sharp shooter. Travis knows that. You know that. I know that. Betty in Section 111, row 4, seat 6 knows that.

Here are my concerns with many posting in this thread:

1. The belief that TDC is somehow failing or the even more ridiculous suggestions he is on thin ice. Our fan base is damn spoiled, and they also have verrrrrrry selective memories of past GRIZ teams’ and coaches’ success (or lack there of). By nearly ANY measure, Travis is the most successful coach in GRIZ history. We should recognize that and enjoy the ride, understanding there will be a few downs with the ups.

2. The apparent belief by many on here that TDC need only snap his fingers to land 5 star big men and 3 point shooters. This is the freakin bsc. We barely register on any basketball maps, and certainly not those viewed by major recruits. The fact that Travis has been as successful as he has for 8 straight years in the bsc is nothing short of a f###[#] miracle.

A miracle?? With the facilities and support, in comparison to everyone else in conference, we should be successful. Come on, calling it a miracle is a stretch. Nothing wrong with having high expectations, nothing wrong with holding TD accountable to high expectations, especially in this conference, we are not in the PAC12! I haven't heard anyone say he is on thin ice, our base is spoiled and they should be. No one has said he should land 5 star big men and 3 point shooters, you are exaggerating just a bit :lol:

Personally, I'm not calling for his job. Overall, he's a terrific coach. As for bigs, I agree with you. As for shooters, we disagree. I've coached up shooters at lower levels, with much less available time. There's zero reasonable excuse for not being to coach up shooters in D1 basketball. Travis won't make excuses either. Some of our fans do that for him.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

We all know we need a dominant post

Dominant post....I would settle for an upgrade from mediocre to average. A guy that can stay on the floor, play some solid D, and get them 4-5 more rebounds per game.

 

[wyomingriz]

We all know we need a dominant post

Dominant post....I would settle for an upgrade from mediocre to average. A guy that can stay on the floor, play some solid D, and get them 4-5 more rebounds per game.

Agree... A dominant post is unlikely, even a Belo is very hard to land at our level. However, we should be able to land a guy that can stay on floor, play D, and i think get 7 rebounds, score 10pts a game

 

[GrizBall]

Are we shooting more 3s per game this year compared to the last several years?

It would appear that this year there are more 3s being shot compared to the last several years. If you look at it from a 3PA/FGA perspective, this year it is 36% of attempts. The national average is 38%. The percentages are from D-1 games only.

Last year, the year before and 2018 it was around 28%. All of these percentages were close to dead last in the country.

The highest percentage under DeCuire looks to be his first year which was 41% and one of the highest in the country. Jordan Gregory alone took 228, which is about the amount Beasley and Martin have taken combined so far this year.

Just eyeballing the percentages under DeCuire, this year seems to be about average, but much higher than 3 out of the last 4 years.

 

[Sport]

There may be few posters calling for Travis’s job but I think by and large the majority recognizes just how fortunate we are to have him. Ultimately the teams success does lie with Travis but he does have an assistant, who’s name I can’t recall right now, who’s responsibility is working with the bigs and recruiting for the 4 and 5 positions. For whatever reason we’re not getting production from that staff member. There may be more to it than that because most of us aren’t privy to what goes on behind closed doors.
There is a 6’9” big man from Shelby that committed early but I can’t find much info on him. Their team is not tearing it up in Class B so maybe he’s a project. Anyway based on the makeup of this years team we need a good big transfer for next year because Bannon will be a junior as well as Blakely and Whitney. Cam will be gone and so will Mac.
The sky is not falling but the cloud cover is pretty thick.

 

[mthoopsfan]

There may be few posters calling for Travis’s job but I think by and large the majority recognizes just how fortunate we are to have him. Ultimately the teams success does lie with Travis but he does have an assistant, who’s name I can’t recall right now, who’s responsibility is working with the bigs and recruiting for the 4 and 5 positions. For whatever reason we’re not getting production from that staff member. There may be more to it than that because most of us aren’t privy to what goes on behind closed doors.
There is a 6’9” big man from Shelby that committed early but I can’t find much info on him. Their team is not tearing it up in Class B so maybe he’s a project. Anyway based on the makeup of this years team we need a good big transfer for next year because Bannon will be a junior as well as Blakely and Whitney. Cam will be gone and so will Mac.
The sky is not falling but the cloud cover is pretty thick.

Isn't Blakney gone too after this year? https://gogriz.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/scott-blakney/6135

 

[GrizBall]

There may be few posters calling for Travis’s job but I think by and large the majority recognizes just how fortunate we are to have him. Ultimately the teams success does lie with Travis but he does have an assistant, who’s name I can’t recall right now, who’s responsibility is working with the bigs and recruiting for the 4 and 5 positions. For whatever reason we’re not getting production from that staff member. There may be more to it than that because most of us aren’t privy to what goes on behind closed doors.
There is a 6’9” big man from Shelby that committed early but I can’t find much info on him. Their team is not tearing it up in Class B so maybe he’s a project. Anyway based on the makeup of this years team we need a good big transfer for next year because Bannon will be a junior as well as Blakely and Whitney. Cam will be gone and so will Mac.
The sky is not falling but the cloud cover is pretty thick.

Isn't Blakney gone too after this year? https://gogriz.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/scott-blakney/6135

Blakney is definitely gone as this is his 5th year and is out of eligibility. Cam and Mac still have a Covid year so both would have the option to return for a final year of eligibility.

I think the post you replied to meant to say Bannan, Beasley and Whitney will be juniors.

 

[Ursa Major]

Are we shooting more 3s per game this year compared to the last several years?

It would appear that this year there are more 3s being shot compared to the last several years. If you look at it from a 3PA/FGA perspective, this year it is 36% of attempts. The national average is 38%. The percentages are from D-1 games only.

Last year, the year before and 2018 it was around 28%. All of these percentages were close to dead last in the country.

The highest percentage under DeCuire looks to be his first year which was 41% and one of the highest in the country. Jordan Gregory alone took 228, which is about the amount Beasley and Martin have taken combined so far this year.

Just eyeballing the percentages under DeCuire, this year seems to be about average, but much higher than 3 out of the last 4 years.

Thank you, Grizball, for the comprehensive response. I remembered Riley mentioning that TDC was putting a higher emphasis on shooting 3s at the beginning of the season.

The numbers would suggest that TDC is doing what many are asking for in this thread.

 

[oldrunner]

What does that mean “with what he has to work with”? He’s been here multiple years….he has exactly what he wants….

Far be it for me to speak for OR, but if I had to guess, I’d say he’s suggesting TDC is doing this with the second youngest team in the bsc.

I think you have excellent guard play but really only have one good big man and Bannon is really a 3/4. You are a little weak at the 5 spot. Not to say that most teams in the BSC are not weak there but when you compare to MSU, weak. It's the hardest thing to recruit for BSC programs. We can only hope to grow our own or get lucky in the portal.

 

[Mousegriz]

It's real tough to watch a guy like Idaho's center last night kind of take over late in the game. Think he had 11 second half points. Blakney and DCH were mismatched......Mack would have been too. Couple late isolation post ups that became easy buckets as soon as he caught the ball. How can Griz not have one guy on their roster who can cover Idaho's guy last night?