Why recruiting is much tougher now that it used to be

[Atlanta Griz1]

Have you ever noticed how many of the people who bring up dick measuring are dicks themselves. Very high percentage.

You are wrong, as usual. Sport specialization at the high school level has significantly watered down the pool of college level athletes. Why do you continue to be so dogmatic about every topic? Do you enjoy getting your arse handed to you by multiple posters on a regular basis.

Oh, by the way, the boys and bar tenders at the MO Club just told me to give you their regards! ROFL

Sports specialization has done the exact opposite of what you claim. And in fact, most of the TOP athletes still play other sports in the off-season...

You are just plain wrong! You may be right in Montana, but in the larger cities, with high schools with enrollments in the thousands, any sport is now a 12-month commitment, and very few play multiple sports now in these schools. I personally know of two kids at our local high school who were scholarship-caliber baseball players on the high school team, and who wanted to play football. The baseball coaches would not hear of it, and demanded that they choose one sport or the other, and they didn't play football because of it. Happens all of the time now.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Have you ever noticed how many of the people who bring up dick measuring are dicks themselves. Very high percentage.

You are wrong, as usual. Sport specialization at the high school level has significantly watered down the pool of college level athletes. Why do you continue to be so dogmatic about every topic? Do you enjoy getting your arse handed to you by multiple posters on a regular basis.

Oh, by the way, the boys and bar tenders at the MO Club just told me to give you their regards! ROFL

Sports specialization has done the exact opposite of what you claim. And in fact, most of the TOP athletes still play other sports in the off-season...

You are just plain wrong! You may be right in Montana, but in the larger cities, with high schools with enrollments in the thousands, any sport is now a 12-month commitment, and very few play multiple sports now in these schools. I personally know of two kids at our local high school who were scholarship-caliber baseball players on the high school team, and who wanted to play football. The baseball coaches would not hear of it, and demanded that they choose one sport or the other, and they didn't play football because of it. Happens all of the time now.

Oh, I see that emphasized TOP athletes play multiple sports in high school. While wrong, it still does not change the fact that FBS schools will NEVER get those TOP athletes, who all go to FBS schools.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You are wrong, as usual. Sport specialization at the high school level has significantly watered down the pool of college level athletes. Why do you continue to be so dogmatic about every topic? Do you enjoy getting your arse handed to you by multiple posters on a regular basis.

Oh, by the way, the boys and bar tenders at the MO Club just told me to give you their regards! ROFL

Sports specialization has done the exact opposite of what you claim. And in fact, most of the TOP athletes still play other sports in the off-season...

You are just plain wrong! You may be right in Montana, but in the larger cities, with high schools with enrollments in the thousands, any sport is now a 12-month commitment, and very few play multiple sports now in these schools. I personally know of two kids at our local high school who were scholarship-caliber baseball players on the high school team, and who wanted to play football. The baseball coaches would not hear of it, and demanded that they choose one sport or the other, and they didn't play football because of it. Happens all of the time now.

Oh, I see that emphasized TOP athletes play multiple sports in high school. While wrong, it still does not change the fact that FBS schools will NEVER get those TOP athletes, who all go to FBS schools.

Wrong. As long as we're using anecdotal evidence to support our points, my daughter's HS (class 6A, largest in Texas and one of final 8 teams in the 64-team football playoff) didn't have a SINGLE football player go to an FBS school. Not one. NADA.

And I can see NO scenario where, when kids are focusing year-round on one sport, how that somehow makes the talent pool SMALLER...it simply raises the bar for ALL athletes. The mediocre ones move on to other sports or stop playing altogether.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Technology, increases in camps, and advanced training techniques have contributed to recruiting being much easier than it was 20 year ago. When I was in high school, much of recruiting was by sending in video and attending camps. Now, kids can go to several skills camps or combines where coaches have the opportunity to analyze hundreds of recruits in one day. Social media and streaming video has also made the job much easier for coaches. Hudl makes it much quicker to get through more videos faster and compare kids easier. As far as talent pool is concerned, I'm not sure if its gotten any better or any worse. I do think kids are getting stronger and faster today with advanced training techniques, but I also seem to notice fundamentals such as tackling and blocking have seemed to be less focused on.

Only thing that may be more difficult is verbal commitments aren't honored as much.

Fundamentals are hard to improve on with the amount of full-contact practice they're limited to these days...

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Have you ever noticed how many of the people who bring up dick measuring are dicks themselves. Very high percentage.

You are wrong, as usual. Sport specialization at the high school level has significantly watered down the pool of college level athletes. Why do you continue to be so dogmatic about every topic? Do you enjoy getting your arse handed to you by multiple posters on a regular basis.

Oh, by the way, the boys and bar tenders at the MO Club just told me to give you their regards! ROFL

Sports specialization has done the exact opposite of what you claim. And in fact, most of the TOP athletes still play other sports in the off-season...

You are just plain wrong! You may be right in Montana, but in the larger cities, with high schools with enrollments in the thousands, any sport is now a 12-month commitment, and very few play multiple sports now in these schools. I personally know of two kids at our local high school who were scholarship-caliber baseball players on the high school team, and who wanted to play football. The baseball coaches would not hear of it, and demanded that they choose one sport or the other, and they didn't play football because of it. Happens all of the time now.

This is totally true. HS Baseball coaches in the South West and So. Cal are the worst at trying to control their player's other interests. They'll take the football player on their team that can hit and run fast but they absolutely won't let one of their CORE players play other sports like football....It's really kinda shameful IMO.

 

[PlayerRep]

You are wrong, as usual. Sport specialization at the high school level has significantly watered down the pool of college level athletes. Why do you continue to be so dogmatic about every topic? Do you enjoy getting your arse handed to you by multiple posters on a regular basis.

Oh, by the way, the boys and bar tenders at the MO Club just told me to give you their regards! ROFL

Sports specialization has done the exact opposite of what you claim. And in fact, most of the TOP athletes still play other sports in the off-season...

You are just plain wrong! You may be right in Montana, but in the larger cities, with high schools with enrollments in the thousands, any sport is now a 12-month commitment, and very few play multiple sports now in these schools. I personally know of two kids at our local high school who were scholarship-caliber baseball players on the high school team, and who wanted to play football. The baseball coaches would not hear of it, and demanded that they choose one sport or the other, and they didn't play football because of it. Happens all of the time now.[/quote]

This is totally true. HS Baseball coaches in the South West and So. Cal are the worst at trying to control their player's other interests. They'll take the football player on their team that can hit and run fast but they absolutely won't let one of their CORE players play other sports like football....It's really kinda shameful IMO.[/quote]

But that has nothing to do with the quality of football recruits. Are you ADD? You really can't seem to stick to the main topic of discussion.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

You are wrong, as usual. Sport specialization at the high school level has significantly watered down the pool of college level athletes. Why do you continue to be so dogmatic about every topic? Do you enjoy getting your arse handed to you by multiple posters on a regular basis.

Oh, by the way, the boys and bar tenders at the MO Club just told me to give you their regards! ROFL

Sports specialization has done the exact opposite of what you claim. And in fact, most of the TOP athletes still play other sports in the off-season...

You are just plain wrong! You may be right in Montana, but in the larger cities, with high schools with enrollments in the thousands, any sport is now a 12-month commitment, and very few play multiple sports now in these schools. I personally know of two kids at our local high school who were scholarship-caliber baseball players on the high school team, and who wanted to play football. The baseball coaches would not hear of it, and demanded that they choose one sport or the other, and they didn't play football because of it. Happens all of the time now.

This is totally true. HS Baseball coaches in the South West and So. Cal are the worst at trying to control their player's other interests. They'll take the football player on their team that can hit and run fast but they absolutely won't let one of their CORE players play other sports like football....It's really kinda shameful IMO.[/quote]

But that has nothing to do with the quality of football recruits. Are you ADD? You really can't seem to stick to the main topic of discussion.[/quote]


No. I am CMKTY ...... "Continually More Knowledgeable Than You"

 

[AZGrizFan]

My favorite kind of poster: one who claims "more knowledge" when you disagree with him/her about a subjective topic.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

My favorite kind of poster: one who claims "more knowledge" when you disagree with him/her about a subjective topic.

It is not subjective when it is the truth

 

[UCLAALUM]

There is a good reason why it is much tougher in 2015 to recruit the same level of high school kids than it was in the 1990s and 2000s. The reason is that there are so many more lower tier FBS teams recruiting from a static pool of high school talent than there used to be. The talent pool left over for the FCS schools after the dregs of the FBS division get through is just not as deep as it used to be.

You can see proof of this in the relatively lower number of FCS players being drafted by the NFL versus 20 years ago.

The one school who seems to be the outlier to this theory is NDSU.

I say that everything you said in your first 2 paragraphs is not accurate.

I agree.... How many players from North Dakota st. are on NFL rosters as opposed to Univ of Montana?

 

[AZGrizFan]

My favorite kind of poster: one who claims "more knowledge" when you disagree with him/her about a subjective topic.

It is not subjective when it is the truth

It's not the truth when its your opinion only, refuted by multiple TRUTHS by other posters which you blindly refuse to acknowledge.

 

[Spanky]

If Atlanta had experience as a parent of a national caliber athlete, he would know he is dead wrong

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

If Atlanta had experience as a parent of a national caliber athlete, he would know he is dead wrong

Please. Explain what a "national caliber" athlete is. Does that mean he/she has secured a full ride schollie, or is that just wishful thinking on your part?

 

[Spanky]

National caliber can mean an athlete who has a national ranking by virtue of his/her national competition. It can also mean an athlete selected to compete in the Olympic Trials. It can mean, an athlete from Montana who lived in Florida and New Jersey for training and competition. Yes, of course, it can mean an athlete who competed in a strong conference in his chosen sport

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

National caliber can mean an athlete who has a national ranking by virtue of his/her national competition. It can also mean an athlete selected to compete in the Olympic Trials. It can mean, an athlete from Montana who lived in Florida and New Jersey for training and competition. Yes, of course, it can mean an athlete who competed in a strong conference in his chosen sport

O.K., so now explain how having a "National Caliber Athlete" son means that i am dead wrong.