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Plainsman

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After reading the Missoulian article on the women's win against WSU, some questions struck me.

I have been following the stories and eGriz on the men's team and attended many basketball games during the men's 'glory' years when I lived in Missoula.

With regard to the ladies, while not perfect every game, they seem to perform consistently well game after game, put out great effort, run their game plan, fill their roles well with various players stepping up to perform well at different times. Of course, I know Selvig is a very good coach but still....

For those of you who have seen the men over the past two years and know their talent better than I, why is the men's team not doing the same thing, at least somewhat more consistently?

Is it talent level, coaching or what? Just curious as to the 'experts' opinions.
 
The men seem to be headed for another ho hum .500 season. How many .500 seasons will Tinks be given? Anyone have a guess?

Power rankings

1 Portland State (7-5): When the Vikings have everyone eligible - and they're very creative in achieving that - they might have the best mix of inside and outside talent.

2 Northern Arizona (7-4): Preseason polls had the Jacks fourth. That seems too low.

3 Montana State (5-5): Win over Wyoming got everyone's attention, but close road losses to UNLV and Nevada were nearly as impressive.

4 Montana (5-6): Impressive wins over Colorado State and Air Force seem like a long time ago. Offensive doldrums are hurting Griz both at home and on road.

5 Northern Colorado (5-4): Bears have already won more games than all of last season and have done it with virtually an entirely new cast of characters.

6 Weber State (4-5): Defending league champion Wildcats have only one quality win - its season opener against Utah State - while they try to replace the leadership of David Patten.

7 Eastern Washington (5-8): Eagles take confidence gained from two straight wins into league opener against Portland State.

8 Idaho State (2-7): Bengals have just one Division I win, if you count the overtime win over Idaho.

9 Sacramento State (2-8): Hornets have zero Division I wins and with their next three on the road to start league play, it could be a while before win No. 1.
 
I'm not convinced Tinkle has got what it takes. Not enough discipline if you ask me. When LK said get it in the post, they got into the post unless they wanted some pine time, or if they had a wide open shot. That team that beat Nevada was the most disciplined team in the nation...IMO. Frustration by Strait is showing, and it has been two years that they haven't gotten him the ball. Just my Opinion...maybe I am wrong, but I think Tinkle needs to unleash hell upon anybody that does not do exactly as he says.
 
Dropping 5 staight is horrible. This team is taking on many of the same characteristics as last years. Tinkle keeps on saying the same things over and over and over and over.

We did not come out with energy.
We only played 35 of the 40 minutes.
Guys were not concentrating.
He was not himself tonight.
We did not get to perimeter shooters.
We didn't make plays down the stretch.
We were only a few plays from winning the game.
We don't like moral victories, but we were really close.

Tinkle lacks the discipline to keep his team disciplined. It is not in his personality to be a head coach. He has no nasty.
 
MrTitleist said:
Cut the racist/stereotyping/what ever the hell you guys were doing out of this thread. Carry on.
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I didn't see anything so bad it had to be removed, but you guys are the boss.
 
A person is racist for wanting more talented fast black players on the Basketball teams. HaHaHaHaHaHaHa! The people who defend the policy of having all whites with a token black thrown in is the racist.

Slow lumbering players will never get us anywhere but a .500 record. Just watch.
 
Plainsman said:
After reading the Missoulian article on the women's win against WSU, some questions struck me.

I have been following the stories and eGriz on the men's team and attended many basketball games during the men's 'glory' years when I lived in Missoula.

With regard to the ladies, while not perfect every game, they seem to perform consistently well game after game, put out great effort, run their game plan, fill their roles well with various players stepping up to perform well at different times. Of course, I know Selvig is a very good coach but still....

For those of you who have seen the men over the past two years and know their talent better than I, why is the men's team not doing the same thing, at least somewhat more consistently?

Is it talent level, coaching or what? Just curious as to the 'experts' opinions.
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here are a few reasons i think the women's program is stronger at this point than the men's.

--coaching tradition. many who play for the lady griz have been attending camps for years, where they were tutored by exactly the same coaches they play for now. not only do they know the coaches, they know the system.

--defense. you don't play for selvig unless you play defense. defense is the great equalizer, as it is today at mid-major programs like butler and southern illinois, and as it was at montana during the heathcote-montgomery era. selvig comes out of that tradition, and has instilled it in his players.

--player continuity. in its heyday, the men's program recruited mostly high school kids and gave them a redshirt year before they saw the court. by their fifth year in the program, they were ready to compete against bigger programs. this system got broken on the men's side under blaine taylor, when one disastrous recruiting year forced the program to begin recruiting jaycee kids, but it never got broken on the women's side. selvig contines to recruit high school kids, and unless they're capable of contributing right away--as tolbert and ena were this year--they sit out a year, as misty atkinson is this year, and linford, stender and robison did last year. having fourth and fifth-year players in your program is the way to compete against the super underclassmen that the major programs are able to recruit year in and year out.

my main criticism of selvig has been that in all the years he's run the program, he's recruited but one african-american player. but that may be remedied next year with the arrival of tianna ware from bakersfield. if so, i will have achieved with robin and the lady griz a sweet peaceful understanding of love and respect forever and ever, because it's been and continues to be a highly successful program.
 
citygriz said:
Plainsman said:
After reading the Missoulian article on the women's win against WSU, some questions struck me.

I have been following the stories and eGriz on the men's team and attended many basketball games during the men's 'glory' years when I lived in Missoula.

With regard to the ladies, while not perfect every game, they seem to perform consistently well game after game, put out great effort, run their game plan, fill their roles well with various players stepping up to perform well at different times. Of course, I know Selvig is a very good coach but still....

For those of you who have seen the men over the past two years and know their talent better than I, why is the men's team not doing the same thing, at least somewhat more consistently?

Is it talent level, coaching or what? Just curious as to the 'experts' opinions.
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here are a few reasons i think the women's program is stronger at this point than the men's.

--coaching tradition. many who play for the lady griz have been attending camps for years, where they were tutored by exactly the same coaches they play for now. not only do they know the coaches, they know the system.

--defense. you don't play for selvig unless you play defense. defense is the great equalizer, as it is today at mid-major programs like butler and southern illinois, and as it was at montana during the heathcote-montgomery era. selvig comes out of that tradition, and has instilled it in his players.

--player continuity. in its heyday, the men's program recruited mostly high school kids and gave them a redshirt year before they saw the court. by their fifth year in the program, they were ready to compete against bigger programs. this system got broken on the men's side under blaine taylor, when one disastrous recruiting year forced the program to begin recruiting jaycee kids, but it never got broken on the women's side. selvig contines to recruit high school kids, and unless they're capable of contributing right away--as tolbert and ena were this year--they sit out a year, as misty atkinson is this year, and linford, stender and robison did last year. having fourth and fifth-year players in your program is the way to compete against the super underclassmen that the major programs are able to recruit year in and year out.

my main criticism of selvig has been that in all the years he's run the program, he's recruited but one african-american player. but that may be remedied next year with the arrival of tianna ware from bakersfield. if so, i will have achieved with robin and the lady griz a sweet peaceful understanding of love and respect forever and ever, because it's been and continues to be a highly successful program.
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Actually Selvig never recruited a black player until signing Tianna Ware this year. the other black player, Vicki Austin, came by way of Long Beach State and she came here by a recommendation from the then Long Beach State Coach, not by Selvig recruiting her. No doubt that Long Beach State Coach knew the reputation of how good the UM program was then to make that recommendation.

The Lady Griz is still a top notch program and the number 1 reason why it is where it is today is the coaching staff. Robin was here like since 1978. Annette since early to mid-1980s. Both Shannon and Patricia since 1993 or so. Fans just do not realize how fortunate that a program can keep the same coaching staff for so long. It just screams out stability for the program and all the clinics they run.
 
Another thing about Selvig recruiting black players, He has stated that he has recruited them, but they were never interested. I guess a team that is mostly white would make a black player worry about fitting in. Black players fitting in, or the worry of fitting in, is a problem. Tianna Ware certainly was aware of it. She was going to go to Arizona (or maybe it was Arizona State). But, she did make a visit here and that is when she figured she would fit in.

Now that Ware came in, maybe it will be easier for Selvig to recruit other black players. Certianly make the Lady Griz more diverse.
 
ronbo said:
A person is racist for wanting more talented fast black players on the Basketball teams. HaHaHaHaHaHaHa! The people who defend the policy of having all whites with a token black thrown in is the racist.

Slow lumbering players will never get us anywhere but a .500 record. Just watch.
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No, but the guy who says that predominantly white teams can never be successful based upon nothing except for their predominant race is racist....now, who could that be?
 
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