Why isn't Maier being criticized?

[PlayerRep]

I think the reason for his short passes is due to them starting their drives in the red zone.

Only 1 Davis drive started in the red zone, is my recollection.

That was a joke. I agree with you that Sneed is completing passes at a good rate. But if that is all that matters why are we on a 3 game losing streak? Why did we do almost nothing in the second half? Score wise or stat wise. When it really counted we did nothing. It seems we got away from what we did in the 1st half. So maybe we should be complaining about the OC and not so much the QB. But those 3 turnovers and 3 touchdowns in 4 minutes was a killer.

Turnovers in against PSU and UND, and that was about all, I assume. Hard to tell with UND, because the turnovers came so fast and caused UM to get way behind, so hard to tell after that. UND them kicked out butt.

Yesterday, UM played very well until later in the 3d quarter, and then Davis started making the plays, eliminating their mistakes, and coming on hard, while the Griz missed some plays and then didn't make a play and then had 2 critical and costly mistakes. Had another later too, but it was too late by then. Davis is a very good team, and Maier is a terrific qb. Also, UM is a fairly good team only on a good day, and not a good team on their off days, at least so far. UM isn't a good enough team to win when they don't play well for virtually all of the game.

 

[grzz]

Every coach in the Big Sky would take Maier over Sneed including Bobby, and if Bobby wouldn't he shouldn't be evaluating QBs. Your obsessive defense of Sneed is getting a little odd.

I think Maier is great. And said so. I'm just posting out the idiocy and the hypocrisy of people who criticize Sneed for having a high completion rate. I can start threads like CDA does; he does't have a monopoly.

Feel free to criticize Sneed with specifics. I'm happy to respond to your specifics. Assume you can't or won't take the challenge.

I'm just countering the "obsessive" love affair of posters, including yourself, of Jensen. You even thought Jensen was better than Phillips. I still shake my head at that. I'm sorry, but that sure didn't indicate that you knew how to evaluate qb play.

I owned you explaining yards per attempt last week so you just ignored it. And no one thought Jensen was immediately better than Phillips, just that Jensen as a freshman was the better long term play than Phillips as a senior. I never sat here and lobbied for Jensen over Phillips, get a new narrative.

But if you want to talk stats, here is a question:

175/290 60.34% 2021 yards 10 TDs 8 Ints 6.97 yards per attempt 40 rush 261 yards rushing 6.5 avg 1 TD 3 fumbles

186/297 62.6% 1826 yards 12 TDs 7 Ints 6.1 yards per attempt 90 rush 473 yards rushing 5.3 avg 5TDs 4 fumbles

The second set of stats is Sneed's.

Is one line significantly better than the other? What is better about Sneed's line and what is worse? Are either of them lines you would expect if a good QB?

Answer and be specific, then I'll tell you who the other QB is, and it isn't Jensen.

Since PR will avoid this challenge after asking for it, others are welcome to participate.

You haven't owned me for anything regarding football, and never will.

Well, others disagree:

What type of completion % does it take to get to "good" or "very good" How often to QB's have "pretty good" "good" or "very good" games and go scoreless?

Being 25-38 is the definition of good or pretty good. A pick and no TD's or scores gets it back to pretty good. No fumbles helps. While scores are impacted by qb's and scoring, they are also impacted by the other's team defense, including pass defense; turnovers and where they are; drops by receivers; inopportune penalties; the quality of the o-line; occasional calls by refs; and other factors.

UND has a good defense. Very good corners, who play man. A very good pass rush with blitzing and sacks.

Surprised that you don't know these things. I guess you're just a basketball guy.

Only you would cherry pick one stat from a game in which the offense scored ZERO points when Sneed was on the field to support how good he is. Look, I really like Sneed, I think he is a leader and a hell of an athlete, but it doesn't prevent me from looking at things objectively.

Sneed's FULL line against UND was 25/38 for 200 yards, no TDs, 1 interception.

That may be 66% but it is also 5.3 yards per attempt, which is bad. Spin it however you want, but that will rarely win games in the Big Sky. The ball is not getting pushed down the field enough.

If you want to say that was against the best defense the team has faced so far, no problem.

For the season, he is 161/260 for 1596 yards, 10 tds, 4 interceptions.

That is 62% and a 6.14 yards per attempt. He has also added a net of 423 rushing yards, with 5 touchdowns and 3 fumbles. I will not discount that 220 of those yards came in one game, as you keep doing when comparing him to a former Griz QB.

Like I said, I really like Sneed. I hope that he can lead this team to great things this year, but the yards per attempt illustrates a major shortcoming of the offense, and of course good completion percentages and limiting turnovers is very important, at some point if you can't throw the ball down the field consistently it doesn't matter. Otherwise teams would never move on from Alex Smith in the NFL.

Game, Set, Match, Grzz :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[grzz]

But if you want to talk stats, here is a question:

175/290 60.34% 2021 yards 10 TDs 8 Ints 6.97 yards per attempt 40 rush 261 yards rushing 6.5 avg 1 TD 3 fumbles

186/297 62.6% 1826 yards 12 TDs 7 Ints 6.1 yards per attempt 90 rush 473 yards rushing 5.3 avg 5TDs 4 fumbles

The second set of stats is Sneed's.

Is one line significantly better than the other? What is better about Sneed's line and what is worse? Are either of them lines you would expect if a good QB?

Neither one are all that great. Both have 11 turnovers and if you look at when those turnovers happened they correspond with losses. I don’t see how anyone can make lite of the 2 interceptions in the 4th. Those were nails in the coffin. So to me both stats have to many turnovers and those turnovers lead to losses.

Exactly. The other QB is Blake Bortles. No one would say that he is anywhere near a good QB.

And PR, I really don't care if you feel Sneed's stat line this year is better than Jensen's this year, as I'm sure those were the stats at the end if your post deflecting from the conversation.

 

[PlayerRep]

But if you want to talk stats, here is a question:

175/290 60.34% 2021 yards 10 TDs 8 Ints 6.97 yards per attempt 40 rush 261 yards rushing 6.5 avg 1 TD 3 fumbles

186/297 62.6% 1826 yards 12 TDs 7 Ints 6.1 yards per attempt 90 rush 473 yards rushing 5.3 avg 5TDs 4 fumbles

The second set of stats is Sneed's.

Is one line significantly better than the other? What is better about Sneed's line and what is worse? Are either of them lines you would expect if a good QB?

Neither one are all that great. Both have 11 turnovers and if you look at when those turnovers happened they correspond with losses. I don’t see how anyone can make lite of the 2 interceptions in the 4th. Those were nails in the coffin. So to me both stats have to many turnovers and those turnovers lead to losses.

Exactly. The other QB is Blake Bortles. No one would say that he is anywhere near a good QB.

And PR, I really don't care if you feel Sneed's stat line this year is better than Jensen's this year, as I'm sure those were the stats at the end if your post deflecting from the conversation.

When are you going to say something that supports your earlier statements on Sneed?

So, do you really think its relevant to compare college qb stats to NFL qb stats? Oh man.

 

[PlayerRep]

But if you want to talk stats, here is a question:

175/290 60.34% 2021 yards 10 TDs 8 Ints 6.97 yards per attempt 40 rush 261 yards rushing 6.5 avg 1 TD 3 fumbles

186/297 62.6% 1826 yards 12 TDs 7 Ints 6.1 yards per attempt 90 rush 473 yards rushing 5.3 avg 5TDs 4 fumbles

The second set of stats is Sneed's.

Is one line significantly better than the other? What is better about Sneed's line and what is worse? Are either of them lines you would expect if a good QB?

Neither one are all that great. Both have 11 turnovers and if you look at when those turnovers happened they correspond with losses. I don’t see how anyone can make lite of the 2 interceptions in the 4th. Those were nails in the coffin. So to me both stats have to many turnovers and those turnovers lead to losses.

So, with UM being down 42-21, with Davis having taken over the game, you think an interception with 7 minutes to go is a big deal? Well, I don't.

 

[PlayerRep]

I think Maier is great. And said so. I'm just posting out the idiocy and the hypocrisy of people who criticize Sneed for having a high completion rate. I can start threads like CDA does; he does't have a monopoly.

Feel free to criticize Sneed with specifics. I'm happy to respond to your specifics. Assume you can't or won't take the challenge.

I'm just countering the "obsessive" love affair of posters, including yourself, of Jensen. You even thought Jensen was better than Phillips. I still shake my head at that. I'm sorry, but that sure didn't indicate that you knew how to evaluate qb play.

I owned you explaining yards per attempt last week so you just ignored it. And no one thought Jensen was immediately better than Phillips, just that Jensen as a freshman was the better long term play than Phillips as a senior. I never sat here and lobbied for Jensen over Phillips, get a new narrative.

But if you want to talk stats, here is a question:

175/290 60.34% 2021 yards 10 TDs 8 Ints 6.97 yards per attempt 40 rush 261 yards rushing 6.5 avg 1 TD 3 fumbles

186/297 62.6% 1826 yards 12 TDs 7 Ints 6.1 yards per attempt 90 rush 473 yards rushing 5.3 avg 5TDs 4 fumbles

The second set of stats is Sneed's.

Is one line significantly better than the other? What is better about Sneed's line and what is worse? Are either of them lines you would expect if a good QB?

Answer and be specific, then I'll tell you who the other QB is, and it isn't Jensen.

Since PR will avoid this challenge after asking for it, others are welcome to participate.

You haven't owned me for anything regarding football, and never will.

Well, others disagree:

Being 25-38 is the definition of good or pretty good. A pick and no TD's or scores gets it back to pretty good. No fumbles helps. While scores are impacted by qb's and scoring, they are also impacted by the other's team defense, including pass defense; turnovers and where they are; drops by receivers; inopportune penalties; the quality of the o-line; occasional calls by refs; and other factors.

UND has a good defense. Very good corners, who play man. A very good pass rush with blitzing and sacks.

Surprised that you don't know these things. I guess you're just a basketball guy.

Only you would cherry pick one stat from a game in which the offense scored ZERO points when Sneed was on the field to support how good he is. Look, I really like Sneed, I think he is a leader and a hell of an athlete, but it doesn't prevent me from looking at things objectively.

Sneed's FULL line against UND was 25/38 for 200 yards, no TDs, 1 interception.

That may be 66% but it is also 5.3 yards per attempt, which is bad. Spin it however you want, but that will rarely win games in the Big Sky. The ball is not getting pushed down the field enough.

If you want to say that was against the best defense the team has faced so far, no problem.

For the season, he is 161/260 for 1596 yards, 10 tds, 4 interceptions.

That is 62% and a 6.14 yards per attempt. He has also added a net of 423 rushing yards, with 5 touchdowns and 3 fumbles. I will not discount that 220 of those yards came in one game, as you keep doing when comparing him to a former Griz QB.

Like I said, I really like Sneed. I hope that he can lead this team to great things this year, but the yards per attempt illustrates a major shortcoming of the offense, and of course good completion percentages and limiting turnovers is very important, at some point if you can't throw the ball down the field consistently it doesn't matter. Otherwise teams would never move on from Alex Smith in the NFL.

Game, Set, Match, Grzz :clap: :clap: :clap:

Ha. Your support is Ursa. The guy doesn't have a clue about football. His support of you is like an admission against your interest. Keep digging your hole.

 

[sdk.catfish]

by PlayerRep » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:02 pm

You guys are funny. Blaming Sneed for second half picks that came after Davis had a 7 point lead, had just rattled off 25 points in a row, and had all the momentum.

Are you are giving QB's carte blanche to throw interceptions if the team falls behind by 7 and loses momentum? Never heard that one before. Seems like a sure way to eliminate comebacks.

 

[grzz]

Player, I say this every time you argue with yourself and me. I don't care. I am comfortable enough with my reputation on this board, and yours, to not be concerned about your criticism of my intelligence, which you have never once said to my face.

You still haven't explained why yards per attempt don't matter, your case is basically all the stats that support PR's argument matter, those that counter it don't and of course, only PR is the arbiter of what moments in a game matters and when it doesn't.

I'm good dude, carry on.

 

[PlayerRep]

Player, I say this every time you argue with yourself and me. I don't care. I am comfortable enough with my reputation on this board, and yours, to not be concerned about your criticism of my intelligence, which you have never once said to my face.

You still haven't explained why yards per attempt don't matter, your case is basically all the stats that support PR's argument matter, those that counter it don't and of course, only PR is the arbiter of what moments in a game matters and when it doesn't.

I'm good dude, carry on.

You still haven't explained your criticisms of Sneed. Why don't you try to back up what you assert.

Completion percentage is much more important than yards per throw. I then started looking back at UM stats and found a game last year that had lower yards to throw in a win.

I don't question your intelligence, but I do wonder about your football knowledge at times. And, if you are going to talk about my "obsession" with Sneed when I defend him, then I'm going to respond to you, and say what I think. I don't believe that everybody, including football posters, gets a ribbon. I don't believe, and never did, that all opinions are equal. They are not.

 

[PlayerRep]

by PlayerRep » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:02 pm

You guys are funny. Blaming Sneed for second half picks that came after Davis had a 7 point lead, had just rattled off 25 points in a row, and had all the momentum.

Are you are giving QB's carte blanche to throw interceptions if the team falls behind by 7 and loses momentum? Never heard that one before. Seems like a sure way to eliminate comebacks.

No, but there is a difference between fans blaming the qb for the loss because of a pick, and giving a qb carte blanche to make picks in that situation. Do you not understand the difference?

But if we are down 42-21 with 7 minutes to go in the game, and the starter is still in the game, I am a fine with the qb being aggressive and taking chances. An argument can't even be made that that pick influenced the outcome of the game.

The pick on the sideline was a bad throw and a good cheat by the corner. However, I know that Sneed was getting aggressive and trying to make plays. I like how Sneed plays. Jumping over tacklers at midfield at the end of a long run. The kid competes and goes for it.

Do you think UM wins the game if Sneed doesn't throw that pick?

Did you see that Humphrey almost threw the same type of pick on the sideline when he came in?

 

[catsack]

Sneed and the offense has been shut out in four different halves this year we are 1-3 in those games!

 

[grzz]

Player, I say this every time you argue with yourself and me. I don't care. I am comfortable enough with my reputation on this board, and yours, to not be concerned about your criticism of my intelligence, which you have never once said to my face.

You still haven't explained why yards per attempt don't matter, your case is basically all the stats that support PR's argument matter, those that counter it don't and of course, only PR is the arbiter of what moments in a game matters and when it doesn't.

I'm good dude, carry on.

You still haven't explained your criticisms of Sneed. Why don't you try to back up what you assert.

Completion percentage is much more important than yards per throw. I then started looking back at UM stats and found a game last year that had lower yards to throw in a win.

I don't question your intelligence, but I do wonder about your football knowledge at times. And, if you are going to talk about my "obsession" with Sneed when I defend him, then I'm going to respond to you, and say what I think. I don't believe that everybody, including football posters, gets a ribbon. I don't believe, and never did, that all opinions are equal. They are not.

What criticism of Sneed are you even talking about? That every Big Sky coach would take Maier over him? Maier is the front runner for player of the year. You hear Bobby gush over him at QB Club. They all would take him if they could.

And you are so obsessed with Sneed's completion percentage that you can't even allow yourself to acknowledge he has even a small part of responsibility in a an offense that has only scored 41 points with him at the helm the last three games.

I like Sneed, I have said it many times on this board. But it is so obvious that teams don't respect his ability to throw the ball down the field. That is one of many problems this team has.

 

[PlayerRep]

Player, I say this every time you argue with yourself and me. I don't care. I am comfortable enough with my reputation on this board, and yours, to not be concerned about your criticism of my intelligence, which you have never once said to my face.

You still haven't explained why yards per attempt don't matter, your case is basically all the stats that support PR's argument matter, those that counter it don't and of course, only PR is the arbiter of what moments in a game matters and when it doesn't.

I'm good dude, carry on.

You still haven't explained your criticisms of Sneed. Why don't you try to back up what you assert.

Completion percentage is much more important than yards per throw. I then started looking back at UM stats and found a game last year that had lower yards to throw in a win.

I don't question your intelligence, but I do wonder about your football knowledge at times. And, if you are going to talk about my "obsession" with Sneed when I defend him, then I'm going to respond to you, and say what I think. I don't believe that everybody, including football posters, gets a ribbon. I don't believe, and never did, that all opinions are equal. They are not.

What criticism of Sneed are you even talking about? That every Big Sky coach would take Maier over him? Maier is the front runner for player of the year. You hear Bobby gush over him at QB Club. They all would take him if they could.

And you are so obsessed with Sneed's completion percentage that you can't even allow yourself to acknowledge he has even a small part of responsibility in a an offense that has only scored 41 points with him at the helm the last three games.

I like Sneed, I have said it many times on this board. But it is so obvious that teams don't respect his ability to throw the ball down the field. That is one of many problems this team has.

I have never ever said anything about Maier. Only given him high praise. Never said or insinuated that Sneed is better than Maier.

I am not obsessed over anything. I just point out Sneed's good points when people criticize or complain about him.

I have never said anything about Sneed's responsibility, or not, for the results of the last 3 games or the amount of offense.

Sneed's completion percentage is very good, and people like you refuse to recognize that.

Sneed had multiple nice throws down the field yesterday. Two great early back shoulder passes. Pass to the TE on the middle. Pass to the back end of end zone. Why can't you recognize that?

 

[kemajic]

It's more than Maier's number that reminds me of Dave Dickenson.

 

[EverettGriz]

You guys are funny. Blaming Sneed for second half picks that came after Davis had a 7 point lead, had just rattled off 25 points in a row, and had all the momentum.

Who should we blame for Sneed throwing picks, Stitt? Perhaps Jensen because he “quit”?

 

[grizindabox]

You guys are funny. Blaming Sneed for second half picks that came after Davis had a 7 point lead, had just rattled off 25 points in a row, and had all the momentum.

Who should we blame for Sneed throwing picks, Stitt? Perhaps Jensen because he “quit”?

 

[AZGrizFan]

I think the reason for his short passes is due to them starting their drives in the red zone.

Only 1 Davis drive started in the red zone, is my recollection.

Incorrect. Two consecutive drives started in the red zone. 14 yard line and 6 yard line.

 

[PlayerRep]

I think the reason for his short passes is due to them starting their drives in the red zone.

Only 1 Davis drive started in the red zone, is my recollection.

Incorrect. Two consecutive drives started in the red zone. 14 yard line and 6 yard line.

Thx.

 

[PlayerRep]

You guys are funny. Blaming Sneed for second half picks that came after Davis had a 7 point lead, had just rattled off 25 points in a row, and had all the momentum.

Who should we blame for Sneed throwing picks, Stitt? Perhaps Jensen because he “quit”?

Should have said that blaming Sneed's picks for the loss is not the reason UM lost. Sometimes picks are caused in part by the rush, or a miscommunication with a receiver, but I'm not blaming anyone else for Sneed's picks on Saturday. I missed the last pick, so don't even know what happened.

The last pick was no big deal. The first two were bigger deals. I can understand the 2d one a bit, as UM was feeling it had to pass and Sneed and the O were starting to press. The corner jumped the throw nicely. Again, Humphrey almost threw the same pick when he came in.

The 2d pick did severely undercut UM's chance of coming back, but, looking in retrospect, UM was not going to win the game at that point. The prior 25 points just rattled off, Davis' momentum and ability, and what had already occurred, had completely turned the tide of the game. The 2d pick was a bad throw, and I don't give Sneed a pass on it. I just understand what probably happened. For me, this comes from having played football in college, instead of old boy tennis now. Note that I am only providing my view. Free country; remember.

 

[EverettGriz]

Sneed's picks weren't the reason we lost. Sneed's inability to move the offense effectively -- along with the staff being thoroughly outcoached in the second half-- is why we lost. Sneed's awful picks just made the loss entirely humiliating.