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Why is it surprising?

The bottom line is that we don't have enough talent to get it done. Our O-Line is really really really bad. After ever play you see them standing around with their hands down by their side. That's our biggest issue. They can't run block nor can they pass block. Until we get some guys that want to play on the line, we will continue to get our butts handed to us..
 
You're not saying RB is our only issue are you? Beyond WR and LB this team is very average and below average at spots, Stitts recruiting skills will tell the tale the next few years.
 
jodcon said:
You're not saying RB is our only issue are you? Beyond WR and LB this team is very average and below average at spots, Stitts recruiting skills will tell the tale the next few years.
No. I'd like to see someone break down the o line on egriz. I've taped 3 or 4 games this year, however I haven't focused on this position enough. I don't know, maybe some comments besides they are the sh!ts? I have ZERO faith in the RB position and that is why I brought it up. I don't think the position is serviceable on blitz or pass protection, let alone the other fundamentals... :egriz:
 
rimrockgriz said:
jodcon said:
You're not saying RB is our only issue are you? Beyond WR and LB this team is very average and below average at spots, Stitts recruiting skills will tell the tale the next few years.
No. I'd like to see someone break down the o line on egriz. I've taped 3 or 4 games this year, however I haven't focused on this position enough. I don't know, maybe some comments besides they are the sh!ts? I have ZERO faith in the RB position and that is why I brought it up. I don't think the position is serviceable on blitz or pass protection, let alone the other fundamentals... :egriz:


A good line will make ANY RB look good. It all comes down to our line. They are too soft. Have any of you ever seen a lineman carry out a block after they blow the whistle? It's been a long time since I've seen it. Back in the day you would always see our lineman pushing around guys in the trenches after the whistle had been blown.
 
grizcountry420 said:
rimrockgriz said:
jodcon said:
You're not saying RB is our only issue are you? Beyond WR and LB this team is very average and below average at spots, Stitts recruiting skills will tell the tale the next few years.
No. I'd like to see someone break down the o line on egriz. I've taped 3 or 4 games this year, however I haven't focused on this position enough. I don't know, maybe some comments besides they are the sh!ts? I have ZERO faith in the RB position and that is why I brought it up. I don't think the position is serviceable on blitz or pass protection, let alone the other fundamentals... :egriz:


A good line will make ANY RB look good. It all comes down to our line. They are too soft. Have any of you ever seen a lineman carry out a block after they blow the whistle? It's been a long time since I've seen it. Back in the day you would always see our lineman pushing around guys in the trenches after the whistle had been blown.
O.K. fair enough. I don't recall any personal fouls for kicking ass after the whistle. Do you like any of them?... :egriz: I'm assuming there isn't any DOLA ?
 
marceagfan5 said:
The excuses grow old, good teams, good programs find a way to win regardless of the circumstances.

Can't argue with any of your post. The quoted bit is exactly what Griz fans used to be fond of saying. Whether they remember or not.
 
i guess I should have said that they don't play until they here the whistle. They are always standing around way before the whistle blown..
 
It isn't surprising, just like this offense. The schemes are so simple that most plays are DOA. The only big plays are the ones are due to extraordinary individual effort. The only play that was new was when Simis went under center and pitched wide to Nguyen to get the short 4th down. This offense fools no one. And our defense cannot stop a good running game. Given all that, the loss to PSU is anything but surprising.

Things that did surprise me: 0 sacks (most notably Holmes), only 4 tackles for loss (PSU D had twice that AND 5 sacks), PSU had only 4 pass completions.
 
rimrockgriz said:
Yukon said:
rimrockgriz said:
Yukon said:
Simis ran for 102 yards. I noticed 4 times that Simis pass was knocked down on screen plays. Coach also said after the game that they had many missed reads. aka, missed crossing patterns.
Screen plays that can be executed with reason. I can' t write you a manuscript here. The screens you are pointing out were dead in the water. Those passes literally looked like M.S. was throwing a "shot put" over a "lengthy" defender. Don't be an ass, there are hundreds of screen passes out there, and the runner yesterday was not in enough space to execute...
Don't be an ass? I just stated facts. Your pointing at the coach for the game plan and now your blaming the execution by the players. make up your mind.
Where am I blaming the players? I'm blaming the coach for his lack of adjustments. I haven't posted much this year. I wanted a large sample before I started discussing this years squad. I'm quite comfortable with my comments now. Personnel wise, I'll say we "blow" at RB. Beyond that we have enough talent to get the job done. My wife says the current rb is here because his family can pay out of state tuition? Now thats a new one on me... :egriz:
 
FACT: The Griz program has basically stagnated for more than a decade. The level of play it used to get away with is no longer possible with parity arriving in the Big Sky. Portland State is just one example of teams we used to regularly beat like a drum. At an earlier time when UM was the gold standard in the BSC/FCS the powers that be elected to take their foot off the gas and put football on cruise control. We're seeing the results.
 
Yukon said:
rimrockgriz said:
Yukon said:
rimrockgriz said:
Screen plays that can be executed with reason. I can' t write you a manuscript here. The screens you are pointing out were dead in the water. Those passes literally looked like M.S. was throwing a "shot put" over a "lengthy" defender. Don't be an ass, there are hundreds of screen passes out there, and the runner yesterday was not in enough space to execute...
Don't be an ass? I just stated facts. Your pointing at the coach for the game plan and now your blaming the execution by the players. make up your mind.
Where am I blaming the players? I'm blaming the coach for his lack of adjustments. I haven't posted much this year. I wanted a large sample before I started discussing this years squad. I'm quite comfortable with my comments now. Personnel wise, I'll say we "blow" at RB. Beyond that we have enough talent to get the job done. My wife says the current rb is here because his family can pay out of state tuition? Now thats a new one on me... :egriz:
O.K Yukon 1 more time. The types of screens ran yesterday had the RB and the QB in close proximity by design. This is why MS tried the "shot put" toss. That is a scheme comment... :egriz:(hence: coaching)
 
Yukon said:
Simis ran for 102 yards. I noticed 4 times that Simis pass was knocked down on screen plays. Coach also said after the game that they had many missed reads. aka, missed crossing patterns.
Coach Stitt tried to get a bit too clever. From the successful "simplified offense" last week, he had Makena looking back and forth for receivers, IN THE RAIN, which was just the wrong thing to do with this QB under those conditions. When this coach gets things right, they will really fly, but when he gets it wrong, it will really go haywire.
 
UMGriz75 said:
Yukon said:
Simis ran for 102 yards. I noticed 4 times that Simis pass was knocked down on screen plays. Coach also said after the game that they had many missed reads. aka, missed crossing patterns.
Coach Stitt tried to get a bit too clever. From the successful "simplified offense" last week, he had Makena looking back and forth for receivers, IN THE RAIN, which was just the wrong thing to do with this QB under those conditions. When this coach gets things right, they will really fly, but when he gets it wrong, it will really go haywire.
PSU was 4-12 passing. Granted that they aren't really a passing team but it was a REALLY, REALLY bad day for the Griz not to have a power running game. The rain was really brutal.
 
Grisly Fan said:
UMGriz75 said:
Yukon said:
Simis ran for 102 yards. I noticed 4 times that Simis pass was knocked down on screen plays. Coach also said after the game that they had many missed reads. aka, missed crossing patterns.
Coach Stitt tried to get a bit too clever. From the successful "simplified offense" last week, he had Makena looking back and forth for receivers, IN THE RAIN, which was just the wrong thing to do with this QB under those conditions. When this coach gets things right, they will really fly, but when he gets it wrong, it will really go haywire.
PSU was 4-12 passing. Granted that they aren't really a passing team but it was a REALLY, REALLY bad day for the Griz not to have a power running game. The rain was really brutal.
were you at the game Grisly?
 
rimrockgriz said:
Grisly Fan said:
UMGriz75 said:
Yukon said:
Simis ran for 102 yards. I noticed 4 times that Simis pass was knocked down on screen plays. Coach also said after the game that they had many missed reads. aka, missed crossing patterns.
Coach Stitt tried to get a bit too clever. From the successful "simplified offense" last week, he had Makena looking back and forth for receivers, IN THE RAIN, which was just the wrong thing to do with this QB under those conditions. When this coach gets things right, they will really fly, but when he gets it wrong, it will really go haywire.
PSU was 4-12 passing. Granted that they aren't really a passing team but it was a REALLY, REALLY bad day for the Griz not to have a power running game. The rain was really brutal.
were you at the game Grisly?
Yes. There was an ambulance parked at one end of the stadium on an incline, near the MAC club and water was rushing by so fast I half expected to see a kayaker paddling in it.
 
Grisly Fan said:
It isn't surprising, just like this offense. The schemes are so simple that most plays are DOA. The only big plays are the ones are due to extraordinary individual effort. The only play that was new was when Simis went under center and pitched wide to Nguyen to get the short 4th down. This offense fools no one. And our defense cannot stop a good running game. Given all that, the loss to PSU is anything but surprising.

Things that did surprise me: 0 sacks (most notably Holmes), only 4 tackles for loss (PSU D had twice that AND 5 sacks), PSU had only 4 pass completions.

Good post.....Another "power run" team takes the Griz D to the woodshed.....not surprising at all.
 
Am I surprised the GRIZ lost to PSU this season? Not one bit surprised.
Am I surprised the GRIZ got our ass kicked by PSU? Absolutely am surprised and disappointed. Granted wet weather does help an effective running offense and hinders a more reliant passing team. However, both teams play on the exact field. Fact is, the GRIZ did not show up for this game mentally or physically. PSU dominated the GRIZ in every aspect of the game.

Am I mad and disappointed about the loss? No. I am mad and disappointed on an accumulation of things going as far back as 3 years ago, starting with the firing of Pflugrad (I will always feel, at best Pflugrad and O'day were not given a fair shake in how things were handled and Engstrom seriously screwed the pooch on this). It is upsetting and disappointing, 3 years running our OL has been well below GRIZ standards. This covers 2 coaching staffs!! How bad is it? Our current OL coach, with a proven record of great OLs has not even been able to make a positive impact on OL play. As a unit, this OL has a soft mentality. What has happened to having an attitude of a Levi Horn or JD Quinn? Where are OL getting in the face of defenders and intimidating defenders? It has not existed for far too long. The main reason for inconsistent to bad offense, regardless of coach or QB, is due to inferior and inconsistent OL play!!! Even JJ struggled at QB due to the OL. So it is hard for me to put much blame on any of our QB's for inconsistent play.

With that said, what can the coaches do to help compensate for the OL struggles? Rather it was Delaney or now Stitt, quit being so damn stubborn and be more willing to make the necessary adjustments in the passing game more often. Utilize more of the field and quit relying on so damn many long pass routes!!! Would it hurt to use Jones and or Henderson on short quick routes across the middle more often? How about using hb's more often on swings, wheel routes, and delayed short passes in the middle as the DL is closing in on our QB and take advantage of the portion of the field that is vacated with the attention that Jones and Henderson draw? I am all for doing what the GRIZ do when it is working. All be damn, where are the adjustments and execution when it is not working? Hard to believe, I am criticizing Stitt for same damn thing I was criticizing Delaney for. Speaking of Delaney, when was the offense most effective last season? It was only after he scrapped his preferred style and took the reigns off JJ and the offensive personnel. I will give Stitt credit, he does put his players in position to be successful and effective more often, but he still has to make better adjustments when a defense has our preferred offensive game plan figured out.

As for the running game, sorry I honestly don't have much of an idea on how to improve it. Stitt has tried as much as he can to make it better. He has mixed up the personnel well. He has mixed up inside and outside running well. I am really thinking, the running game is entirely hamstrung due to bad run blocking. Earlier in the year we ran more bubble screens, and I can see why now. Unfortunately, defenses learned to minimize the impact of the bubble screen as well. Again, another thing Stitt tried to compensate for bad run blocking, and it did not work. I don't mean that as a bad thing toward Stitt either. It is meant to show that Stitt has tried many different things to make this offense more successful to compensate for bad run blocking. It looks to me this OL needs an overhaul. I really am looking forward to seeing Weyer back next season. If the GRIZ enough recruit solid OL depth,and fail to get some size at DT, maybe Luke or a few of our current OL can move to DT to strengthen the run defense up the middle, which is much needed too.

As for the defense, it was a matter of time before they had a let down game. The PSU game was that let down game. I feel those games are few and far between for this defense. Speaking of defense, why does the matchup with MSU's offense worry me more than the EWU match up? I feel the defense is better against pocket QB's than running QB's. West is more of a pocket QB than Prukop. I have a feeling Prukop could have yet another field day running and passing against the GRIZ. I do hope by then the Defense will have improved where needed.

Like it or not, the only thing to save this season is for the other borderline playoff teams to lose and the GRIZ to win out!!! IF (big IF) that happens the GRIZ still have a chance at the playoffs. For that to happen, our coaches have to adjust and the offensive line has to step it up.
 
I am not all that surprised. Probably more disappointed because I was HOPING that Simis might be the guy after his last performance. I have maintained with my buddies that I actually talk to (instead on a forum) that this season is like a glorified fall camp. With all that has happened with the QB injuries it was probably unlikely that the Griz were going the be the team we had hoped for after the NDSU game. Each QB has had the opportunity to show what they could do. There has been good and bad from each and I'm not sure we even have a QB on the team to really move us forward. Add in the OL issues and the inability to maintain a solid run game and you don't have much chance for a consistent run to the playoffs.

So surprised, no. It is going to take time and dare I say it, some recruiting to make the Griz a SOLID performer with a shot at the national championship. My 2 cents.
 
We became complacent. This happens to all at some point. Dynasties, empires, corporations. Etc........
Lose the fire, focus and what would be expected.
 
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