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Why did UM kick last FG?

mtgriz said:
I would love to get Grizfan-24's take on the strategy. Now that is a guy who truly does understand the game.
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Haven't you noticed that most of the more knowledgeable football fans have not participated in the thread? My guess is that there is a reason for that. Several who have weighed in have agreed with me.
 
PlayerRep said:
mtgriz said:
I would love to get Grizfan-24's take on the strategy. Now that is a guy who truly does understand the game.
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Haven't you noticed that most of the more knowledgeable football fans have not participated in the thread? My guess is that there is a reason for that. Several who have weighed in have agreed with me.
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It pains me to say this, but I agree with you what you've said this thread. All of us watching the game, and I watched it with more griz fans than Cat fans, wondered out loud why he didn't go for it. It did work out, but it was a risk. We all thought there were several risks he took that worked out and some that didn't. I expect there to be a game this year where he takes more risks that don't work than risks that do. PR's right on this. But it worked out, so its a moot point until it doesn't work out.
 
Allezchat said:
PlayerRep said:
mtgriz said:
I would love to get Grizfan-24's take on the strategy. Now that is a guy who truly does understand the game.
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Haven't you noticed that most of the more knowledgeable football fans have not participated in the thread? My guess is that there is a reason for that. Several who have weighed in have agreed with me.
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It pains me to say this, but I agree with you what you've said this thread. All of us watching the game, and I watched it with more griz fans than Cat fans, wondered out loud why he didn't go for it. It did work out, but it was a risk. We all thought there were several risks he took that worked out and some that didn't. I expect there to be a game this year where he takes more risks that don't work than risks that do. PR's right on this. But it worked out, so its a moot point until it doesn't work out.
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It also pains me to admit that you must be a very smart poster, knowledgeable football fan, and nice guy. Ha. Thanks. P.S. I didn't see this call as similar to his gambles, risks, or instincts. It just seemed that going for the TD was the right call almost any way you looked it. But it all worked out, so all is good.
 
So a large majority would have went for it on 4th and goal from the 11 and it may or may not have paid off....Stitt kicked the FG and in the end it did pay off...


So why did UM kick last FG? Because that is how Stitt decided to play it...

What did we learn? There is nothing that is a 100% in college football...


Hell, I think going for it on 4th down right before half was a decision just as questionable...but in the end, the guy got it done...
 
From PR's posts, it seems that Stitt is not a knowledgeable football person....I mean the dude kicked a FG instead of going for it...
 
Allezchat said:
PlayerRep said:
mtgriz said:
I would love to get Grizfan-24's take on the strategy. Now that is a guy who truly does understand the game.
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Haven't you noticed that most of the more knowledgeable football fans have not participated in the thread? My guess is that there is a reason for that. Several who have weighed in have agreed with me.
Click to expand...

It pains me to say this, but I agree with you what you've said this thread. All of us watching the game, and I watched it with more griz fans than Cat fans, wondered out loud why he didn't go for it. It did work out, but it was a risk. We all thought there were several risks he took that worked out and some that didn't. I expect there to be a game this year where he takes more risks that don't work than risks that do. PR's right on this. But it worked out, so its a moot point until it doesn't work out.
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Kicking the field goal or going for the touchdown both involved a great amount of risk. That's why there is not a correct and an incorrect answer to Coach Stitt's conundrum. We've spent two days on this, Coach had about 20 seconds to weigh the relative risks. That's why a coach's pre-conceived overall game management philosophy, with maybe a dash of gut feeling, has to come into play.

Does a "freebie" try on 4th down for the touchdown mean there is a new rule this year in college football that the defense has to count to 7-Mississippi before it can attack in such a scenario?
 
First, congrats on the win. It was a fantastic game from start to finish.

Instead of questioning whether the FG should have been attempted, I question if the extra point should have been attempted after the game winning TD. Should you have just went into victory formation and taken a knee. Had NDSU blocked the XP and returned it, they would have tied the game. The converted XP obviously increased the lead to 3 and eliminated the chance of NDSU winning the game with a miraculous FG.
 
goyotes said:
First, congrats on the win. It was a fantastic game from start to finish.

Instead of questioning whether the FG should have been attempted, I question if the extra point should have been attempted after the game winning TD. Should you have just went into victory formation and taken a knee. Had NDSU blocked the XP and returned it, they would have tied the game. The converted XP obviously increased the lead to 3 and eliminated the chance of NDSU winning the game with a miraculous FG.
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Shit can happen. Ask a Cat fan that was at the 1997 Brawl of the Wild.
 
goyotes said:
First, congrats on the win. It was a fantastic game from start to finish.

Instead of questioning whether the FG should have been attempted, I question if the extra point should have been attempted after the game winning TD. Should you have just went into victory formation and taken a knee. Had NDSU blocked the XP and returned it, they would have tied the game. The converted XP obviously increased the lead to 3 and eliminated the chance of NDSU winning the game with a miraculous FG.
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I did bring this up jokingly at the time, but this is an easy call going by the percentages...
 
I've seen enough to date from Stitt to know that every play, even a field goal kick, has several options including going for it from that formation. If NDSU hadn't defended the fake then that would have been the play. I doubt Stitt would talk about this publicly. But I see no reason why a fake is not one of the options on virtually any FG or EP try. Did you notice on the kickoff NDSU had hands people up front in case the on-side kick was tried? I'm guessing that was an option for the kicking team if NDSU hadn't defended that as well. The point is going for the TD on the FG play probably was one of the options, and may have been the play if the defense hadn't defended that option.
 
IHateRobPhenicie said:
Because it was 4th and 11. If they don't get it, they need a stop and a TD just to tie. If they get the 3, a stop and a TD won.
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Doesn't matter that it was 4th and 11. If they score the TD then, they can kick extra point and win in OT, or go for 2. If they take FB and don't get stop or don't get TD later, then the game is over and they lost. No one can rely on NDSU making 2 stupid calls in a row, i.e. their passes, and 2 incompletes to stop the clock. I say, at that point of the game, the chances of getting the TD from the 11, are 50%. Based on UM being 6 for 14 for pick ups of 3d and long and 4th and long for the game, or 43%; and our outside and tall receivers were going to catch that ball for the win.
 
It is a simple fact that all decisions come with some kind of risk and any decision is only as good as it turns out to be. Plenty of battles have been lost by playing the odds. Feel free to second guess all you want but Stitt's decisions worked out. They may not always but that is why he makes the big bucks. For me, not playing it safe is a breath of fresh air and I am willing to hang on and see what happens. It's going to be wild!
 
grizindabox said:
PR has such a hard-on for Hauck that he is still bitter over Stitt getting the job. Dude is still so heart broken that he still wants to trash on Stitt...even after defeating the #1 ranked team....

I guess PR just has a loser's mentality....
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Since we are on that subject, I probably would have done the same thing. This comment is predicated on us ever having the guts to play Ndsu
 
PlayerRep said:
IHateRobPhenicie said:
Because it was 4th and 11. If they don't get it, they need a stop and a TD just to tie. If they get the 3, a stop and a TD won.
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Doesn't matter that it was 4th and 11. If they score the TD then, they can kick extra point and win in OT, or go for 2. If they take FB and don't get stop or don't get TD later, then the game is over and they lost. No one can rely on NDSU making 2 stupid calls in a row, i.e. their passes, and 2 incompletes to stop the clock. I say, at that point of the game, the chances of getting the TD from the 11, are 50%. Based on UM being 6 for 14 for pick ups of 3d and long and 4th and long for the game, or 43%; and our outside and tall receivers were going to catch that ball for the win.
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So if they don't get the TD, they are down 7. If they get a stop and get the ball back they can either a) tie it and try their hand at OT or b) go for a high risk 2 point conversion to win. I'll take 3 points and a chance to win with that same TD every time. 4th and 1, I'd feel different.
 
IHateRobPhenicie said:
PlayerRep said:
IHateRobPhenicie said:
Because it was 4th and 11. If they don't get it, they need a stop and a TD just to tie. If they get the 3, a stop and a TD won.
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Doesn't matter that it was 4th and 11. If they score the TD then, they can kick extra point and win in OT, or go for 2. If they take FB and don't get stop or don't get TD later, then the game is over and they lost. No one can rely on NDSU making 2 stupid calls in a row, i.e. their passes, and 2 incompletes to stop the clock. I say, at that point of the game, the chances of getting the TD from the 11, are 50%. Based on UM being 6 for 14 for pick ups of 3d and long and 4th and long for the game, or 43%; and our outside and tall receivers were going to catch that ball for the win.
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So if they don't get the TD, they are down 7. If they get a stop and get the ball back they can either a) tie it and try their hand at OT or b) go for a high risk 2 point conversion to win. I'll take 3 points and a chance to win with that same TD every time. 4th and 1, I'd feel different.
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So, you'd just give up immediate chance of scoring a TD (I say about 50%; some would say a bit less), and take the risk of not getting the ball back in time? Why would you throw away that opportunity to get an immediate TD? Looks like bad odds to me. Worked out this time, tho.
 
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