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Why did UM kick last FG?

mtgriz said:
PlayerRep said:
mtgriz said:
It was a calculated risk...get used to Stitt's Jeckyl and Hyde conventional/unconventional approach. I bet if you asked Bobby Hauck, he would have done the same thing on the FG decision.

What was the calculated risk? Please explain it to us.

Similar to playing a hand of poker...he thought his odds were better with the approach he took than the approach you suggested. You thought the odds were better the other way.

You didn't explain the calculated risk. Please explain it.
 
Grisly Fan said:
PlayerRep said:
Grisly Fan said:
There is probably a bit of the idea that defense wins championships (games also). Your defense has to hold to win nearly anyway you slice it. You put the game in their hands and roll the dice. Fortunately we have a coach willing to play for the win plus one who can coach. Despite all of the handwringing, the Griz were ready in all facets of their game. Stitt - and staff of course - deserve tons of credit.

Yes, agreed on the D. However, why not try to score a TD from the 5/4 and either go for 2 or not go for 2. Then, the D would be able to do its thing. Taking the FG didn't help the defense. What it did was eliminate a chance of scoring a TD from the 5/4 and put more pressure on the offense to come down the field to score a TD and not a FG.
Don't necessarily disagree but winners write the history books. We can play "what if" all day based on any decision he made as a coach. As it turned out he made the right decision.

No, he didn't make the right decision. We just won the game. The right decision would have been to go for a TD. A FG did us no good. A TD ties the game, or allows us to go for 2 for the win. A FG put us in the same position as not making the TD would have. We still needed a TD to win. The D had to hold and the O had to come down the field for a TD whether we missed the TD or made the FG.
 
PlayerRep said:
mtgriz said:
PlayerRep said:
mtgriz said:
It was a calculated risk...get used to Stitt's Jeckyl and Hyde conventional/unconventional approach. I bet if you asked Bobby Hauck, he would have done the same thing on the FG decision.

What was the calculated risk? Please explain it to us.

Similar to playing a hand of poker...he thought his odds were better with the approach he took than the approach you suggested. You thought the odds were better the other way.

You didn't explain the calculated risk. Please explain it.

I explained it...you didn't understand my explanation. Let's move on.
 
I thought it was 4th and goal from the 11 when we kicked the last FG. Not inside the 5

We needed a TD (no matter what) and a conversion or FG to win. Like always, he took what he was given

Obviously it was the right call
 
mtgriz said:
I explained it...you didn't understand my explanation. Let's move on.

We can move on, but you didn't explain it. You didn't explain what UM gained by kicking a FG over what it could or couldn't have gained by trying for a TD.
 
You already explained it. We won.

Take the 3, D holds, go for the win. No free football. It worked out.
 
STATEMENT GAME!

Conventional wisdom says with only 3 minutes left, go for the TD.

Coach Stitt says hell no. I have faith and conviction in our defense. Kick the damn field goal and then get the ball back because we can still score the TD quickly.

Tremendous example of confidence by the coaching staff in their defense, special teams, and offense all in a matter of less than 3 minutes.

Folks, there is a lot of buy-in going on today, with the team and the fan base.

Hat's off to coach Stitt for walking the walk, for the staff in believing in the game plan, and the entire team for the execution.

It's going to be a great season!
 
I think it was 4th and goal from the 11 PR, if I remember right Counts lost a couple on 2nd and goal from the 4 and then we had a False Start to put us at the 11, then an incompletion. I think from the 4 he probably goes for it, from the 11 maybe the percentages bothered him, I don't know.

But the events at the end are a little hazy so I could be wrong. :lol:
 
garizzalies said:
I thought it was 4th and goal from the 11 when we kicked the last FG. Not inside the 5

We needed a TD (no matter what) and a conversion or FG to win. Like always, he took what he was given

Obviously it was the right call

You are correct. It was from the 11. My bad. Doesn't change my view (or the view of the ex-players I was with). Yes, we needed a TD to win or tie, but no we didn't need a TD and a FG to win. A TD and a two-point conversion wins. By kicking the FG, we eliminated an extra chance of scoring a TD. If converted, UM could have tied or won right then. If no TD, UM would have been in the same position as with the FG, i.e. UM had to get the ball back and come down the field and get a TD--plus NDSU would have started from the 11 or inside the 11 after a TD attempt, and no time would have come off the clock for a kickoff and return.
 
buckingthesun said:
STATEMENT GAME!

Conventional wisdom says with only 3 minutes left, go for the TD.

Coach Stitt says hell no. I have faith and conviction in our defense. Kick the damn field goal and then get the ball back because we can still score the TD quickly.

Tremendous example of confidence by the coaching staff in their defense, special teams, and offense all in a matter of less than 3 minutes.

Folks, there is a lot of buy-in going on today, with the team and the fan base.

Hat's off to coach Stitt for walking the walk, for the staff in believing in the game plan, and the entire team for the execution.

It's going to be a great season!

UM gained nothing by taking the FG. Confidence in the defense had nothing to do with taking the FG. What do you think UM gained by taking the FG, and giving up the chance of the tying/winning TD?
 
My take would be you take points when you can, albeit I realize a FG is not automatic. Kick the FG there and next TD wins it. Try for a TD there and fail, you need a TD to tie it or gamble on the 2 point conversion to win. For what it's worth, I thought he should have went for the TD there, but obviously I like how things turned out. And that's why I'm in the stands and Stitt is the head coach. He apparently knows what he's doing.
 
jodcon said:
I think it was 4th and goal from the 11 PR, if I remember right Counts lost a couple on 2nd and goal from the 4 and then we had a False Start to put us at the 11, then an incompletion. I think from the 4 he probably goes for it, from the 11 maybe the percentages bothered him, I don't know.

But the events at the end are a little hazy so I could be wrong. :lol:

As I posted while you were posting this, you are absolutely correct. My mistake. Thx.
 
The simple explanation is that scoring a td on 4th and 11 carries a lower probability than getting a 3 and out and driving for the winning score. Gaining 11 yards on a play is tough already, but with the end zone back line to help the defense so they don't need to worry about getting beat deep, it is a really low percentage play. By kicking the fg, it kept momentum and belief on our side. I said before the decision was made that kicking was the right call. We still had three timeouts and our D hapd been rising to the occasion. Stitt made the correct choice.
 
Griz2k said:
My take would be you take points when you can, albeit I realize a FG is not automatic. Kick the FG there and next TD wins it. Try for a TD there and fail, you need a TD to tie it or gamble on the 2 point conversion to win. For what it's worth, I thought he should have went for the TD there, but obviously I like how things turned out. And that's why I'm in the stands and Stitt is the head coach. He apparently knows what he's doing.

At this point of the game, there is no reason to take the points when they do you no good. Yes, you are correct, having the FG allowed us to win with the TD. But it also took away a good additional chance to win.
 
I listened to the Mick/Sundberg show throughout the game, and can relay their thoughts. At that point, it was take the three points, as they'd have to make NDSU three and out(trust the D)and use his offense, and the clock, to WIN the game. Like the decision or not, it worked. Consistent with going for it on fourth down, which we saw all afternoon. The man has balls, and has convinced me, and lit a fire under a long suffering fan base.
 
that field goal provided the points to win the game. also, to get no points out of the situation would have deflated momentum, and football is, they tell me, a game of momentum.
 
Blue Tears said:
The simple explanation is that scoring a td on 4th and 11 carries a lower probability than getting a 3 and out and driving for the winning score. Gaining 11 yards on a play is tough already, but with the end zone back line to help the defense so they don't need to worry about getting beat deep, it is a really low percentage play. By kicking the fg, it kept momentum and belief on our side. I said before the decision was made that kicking was the right call. We still had three timeouts and our D hapd been rising to the occasion. Stitt made the correct choice.

I don't agree with you on the chances of scoring from the 11 compared to holding NDSU and then having time to come down the field and score a TD. However, that analysis/debate is irrelevant to the subject being discussed. Trying for a TD would have given UM an additional chance for a TD, and UM would have still had the exact same opportunity to hold NDSU, get the ball back, and have the O try to come down the field and score a TD. The FG gained virtually nothing for UM, and gave up a great opportunity for the tying/winning TD. Note that UM converted on a 4th and 10 play on the winning drive, to Carlson down the middle.
 

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