Why Did So Many Griz Fans Give Up Earlier in Season?

[HelenaHandBasket]

I can’t imagine any players or coaches did. I just put this in another thread, but decided it might be good in its own thread.

I truly don’t understand how Griz fans: 1 Weren’t able to look at the team, i.e. the players on the team, and the coaches, and look at the games. 2 See that the team hadn’t yet found a qb, or the best qb (although there was potential at qb). 3 See that the D was pretty good and would get better. 4 See some or even good or very good potential. 5 Realize that all of the main goals were still achievable with hard work and week to week improvement. 6 Each future game was winnable and the tougher games came later and gave the team time to prepare. 7 And enjoy the season, whatever it may bring. 8 There was no way this team was bad.

This was all so obvious to me. Not that I was necessarily predicting or thinking more than a possible deep playoff run. Maybe it helped that I didn’t see the NAU game, as I was watching Ireland squeak by South Africa (the eventual rugby World Cup winners) in front of 78,000 screaming and singing fans in Paris’ big stadium. Also, I have always thought my team can win. Even when things are bleak. I would never give up on my team.

It’s as you often say….they don’t know anything about the game. I would say they don’t know anything about competitive sports!

Where does the number of Montana kids play into this?

 

[mthoopsfan]

This team was not playing well for the entire first month of the season. If you saw this coming, props to you, you must have made a fortune betting on the Griz.

The team played fine enough in the first 3 games. Crushed a bad team and played well enough to beat a decent team and a nit horrible team. NAU proved to be better than their early poor start.

The team certainly didn’t deserve to be cut and run on, and criticized so much.

Could you not see that UM was trying to find and develop its qb? Could you not see the D was pretty good? Could you not see that the o-line would at least get as good as they were last season, if not better? Could you not see that the newer D players would improve with experience?

How about focusing on the question and title of the thread? No one suggested fans should have predicted a national championship run.

I “won” $5,000 in one bet. Just haven’t collected.

 

[nicktaber58]

As Bobby says, the crazy fanatical fan is what gives college football much of its charm. As crazy as a lot of the chatter was after week and 5, who cares and we're in to the natty. GO GRIZ !!

 

[Spanky2]

It’s as you often say….they don’t know anything about the game. I would say they don’t know anything about competitive sports!

Where does the number of Montana kids play into this?

You are aware of my position.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Where does the number of Montana kids play into this?

You are aware of my position.

I assume by "position" you mean 'ignorance".

 

[mthoopsfan]

Wow another thread beating this subject to death to stroke egos. The way we were playing in the first month of the season and especially over the course of the NAU game the criticism and anger was justified, we did not look good especially on Offense. This coming multiple years into Haucks 2nd stint and promises to RTD that doesn't mean people "gave up on the team" if anything it shows that people give a poop and expected better.

Hell the coaches and players seemed just as pissed off at how they had been playing as the fans were and guess what they turned it around. It ended up being good for the fan base and team as a whole, and many (myself included) were glad to be proven wrong aka our concerns were addressed and fixed. What's not a good look are these constant threads and posts trying to rub peoples noses in it and claiming fans don't have a right to voice just criticisms, arent real fans ex.

As usual, you show that you don’t have a clue and don’t understand football. You are an everyone gets a ribbon poster. You ought to pay some attention to the posters who know and understand football and the Griz. We have the same right to post knowledgeable views as you do to post dumb things.

 

[Ut-Grizfan]

Wow another thread beating this subject to death to stroke egos. The way we were playing in the first month of the season and especially over the course of the NAU game the criticism and anger was justified, we did not look good especially on Offense. This coming multiple years into Haucks 2nd stint and promises to RTD that doesn't mean people "gave up on the team" if anything it shows that people give a poop and expected better.

Hell the coaches and players seemed just as pissed off at how they had been playing as the fans were and guess what they turned it around. It ended up being good for the fan base and team as a whole, and many (myself included) were glad to be proven wrong aka our concerns were addressed and fixed. What's not a good look are these constant threads and posts trying to rub peoples noses in it and claiming fans don't have a right to voice just criticisms, arent real fans ex.

As usual, you show that you don’t have a clue and don’t understand football. You are an everyone gets a ribbon poster. You ought to pay some attention to the posters who know and understand football and the Griz. We have the same right to post knowledgeable views as you do to post dumb things.

Here we go once again with the ignorant, uneducated troll comments of "you don't understand football" garbage you use in a pathetic attempt to dismiss different opinions. Speaking of posting dumb things we should consider it an improvement you're not using personal attacks targeting people's military service or other snide comments this time around.

Funny, pointing our our offense had issues (which was my biggest issue) was validated when changes were made to the starting QB, play calling and line splits translated into a vast improvement. If you're so immature and fragile that you can't handle people having a different opinion or making justifiable criticisms then perhaps you shouldn't be posting on a public forum.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I can’t imagine any players or coaches did. I just put this in another thread, but decided it might be good in its own thread.

I truly don’t understand how Griz fans: 1 Weren’t able to look at the team, i.e. the players on the team, and the coaches, and look at the games. 2 See that the team hadn’t yet found a qb, or the best qb (although there was potential at qb). 3 See that the D was pretty good and would get better. 4 See some or even good or very good potential. 5 Realize that all of the main goals were still achievable with hard work and week to week improvement. 6 Each future game was winnable and the tougher games came later and gave the team time to prepare. 7 And enjoy the season, whatever it may bring. 8 There was no way this team was bad.

This was all so obvious to me. Not that I was necessarily predicting or thinking more than a possible deep playoff run. Maybe it helped that I didn’t see the NAU game, as I was watching Ireland squeak by South Africa (the eventual rugby World Cup winners) in front of 78,000 screaming and singing fans in Paris’ big stadium. Also, I have always thought my team can win. Even when things are bleak. I would never give up on my team.

It’s as you often say….they don’t know anything about the game. I would say they don’t know anything about competitive sports!

Yup. Some of these jokers are critical and caustic, but when someone disagrees with them or calls them out, they become “everyone gets a ribbon posters” and become crybabies. Why can’t they defend what they say? Nobody is always right, but some of these jokers seem to be consistently wrong.

 

[AZGrizFan]

It’s not THAT they lost to NAU. It’s HOW they lost to NAU. Looking at the season in hindsight yeah, it’s pretty easy to see all those things PR points out. But it certainly helps that he didn’t see the NAU game.

And I DO know the difference between a goal post and a post pattern, and I’ll continue posting my thoughts each year as the season progresses, thank you very much.

Oh, and being critical <> “giving up” on the team.

I watched the NAU game and there is no possible excuse there for the vitriol that was expressed by many on here. Yes critical is differnt than giving up on the team. Much on here went way beyond critical. As PR has done, I will repost my comments here from another thread:

Agree, it was very difficult to accept or understand the negativity of so-called fans when the Griz were 3-1 with the bulk of the season yet in front of them. The long season has its ups and downs and it is nothing but character weakness to bail out at the time of a down. Especially with the known talent of the team and the coaching staff. Now after this 10 game run those same folks have jumped back on the bandwagon like they were there all year. The calls to fire BH were nothing short of pure stupidity. Eating crow is not enough to restore credibility. No surprise to have a repeat act at the next little down. Win or lose in Frisco, this has been a special team and I will not be one to dismiss their chances. Much like 1995, a Griz team that had lost twice, playing Marshall at their house in front of 32,000.

And again, all VERY easy to say after a 10-win run. But after what we saw on the field in Flagstaff, and without knowing that half the team supposedly had COVID or the flu, there was EVERY reason to be concerned. Being critical <> “jumping off the bandwagon”, so we never had to “jump back on”…

 

[Ut-Grizfan]

It’s as you often say….they don’t know anything about the game. I would say they don’t know anything about competitive sports!

Yup. Some of these jokers are critical and caustic, but when someone disagrees with them or calls them out, they become “everyone gets a ribbon posters” and become crybabies. Why can’t they defend what they say? Nobody is always right, but some of these jokers seem to be consistently wrong.

As you sit there throwing a fit because people had issues with certain aspects of how the team was performing in the first few games of the season :lol: not surprising you can dish it out but can't take it.

 

[Ut-Grizfan]

I watched the NAU game and there is no possible excuse there for the vitriol that was expressed by many on here. Yes critical is differnt than giving up on the team. Much on here went way beyond critical. As PR has done, I will repost my comments here from another thread:

Agree, it was very difficult to accept or understand the negativity of so-called fans when the Griz were 3-1 with the bulk of the season yet in front of them. The long season has its ups and downs and it is nothing but character weakness to bail out at the time of a down. Especially with the known talent of the team and the coaching staff. Now after this 10 game run those same folks have jumped back on the bandwagon like they were there all year. The calls to fire BH were nothing short of pure stupidity. Eating crow is not enough to restore credibility. No surprise to have a repeat act at the next little down. Win or lose in Frisco, this has been a special team and I will not be one to dismiss their chances. Much like 1995, a Griz team that had lost twice, playing Marshall at their house in front of 32,000.

And again, all VERY easy to say after a 10-win run. But after what we saw on the field in Flagstaff, and without knowing that half the team supposedly had COVID or the flu, there was EVERY reason to be concerned.

That would require them utilizing critical thinking and taking the entire context of the situation into consideration. We both know that's not gonna happen, it's easier to scream "I know more then you" then have a discussion.

 

[Spanky2]

You are aware of my position.

I assume by "position" you mean 'ignorance".

I recall that you were one of the fair weather fans making cute little comments in your all knowing style.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I assume by "position" you mean 'ignorance".

I recall that you were one of the fair weather fans making cute little comments in your all knowing style.

How did we ever get here with 47 Montana-born players? Asking for a friend…

 

[EverettGriz]

This entire thread:

 

[Spanky2]

I recall that you were one of the fair weather fans making cute little comments in your all knowing style.

How did we ever get here with 47 Montana-born players? Asking for a friend…

I would say that getting here provides evidence of our outstanding staff of coaches guided by Bobby. The same coaches you wanted to fire. Tell your friend.

 

[AZGrizFan]

How did we ever get here with 47 Montana-born players? Asking for a friend…

I would say that getting here provides evidence of our outstanding staff of coaches guided by Bobby. The same coaches you wanted to fire. Tell your friend.

With the same players you wanted NOT on the team because they were taking the place of some superior athlete from out of state…allegedly.

Your turn.

 

[Spanky2]

I would say that getting here provides evidence of our outstanding staff of coaches guided by Bobby. The same coaches you wanted to fire. Tell your friend.

With the same players you wanted NOT on the team because they were taking the place of some superior athlete from out of state…allegedly.

Your turn.

True, 25 of them

 

['68griz]

With the same players you wanted NOT on the team because they were taking the place of some superior athlete from out of state…allegedly.

Your turn.

True, 25 of them

Name them ....

 

[kemajic]

I watched the NAU game and there is no possible excuse there for the vitriol that was expressed by many on here. Yes critical is differnt than giving up on the team. Much on here went way beyond critical. As PR has done, I will repost my comments here from another thread:

Agree, it was very difficult to accept or understand the negativity of so-called fans when the Griz were 3-1 with the bulk of the season yet in front of them. The long season has its ups and downs and it is nothing but character weakness to bail out at the time of a down. Especially with the known talent of the team and the coaching staff. Now after this 10 game run those same folks have jumped back on the bandwagon like they were there all year. The calls to fire BH were nothing short of pure stupidity. Eating crow is not enough to restore credibility. No surprise to have a repeat act at the next little down. Win or lose in Frisco, this has been a special team and I will not be one to dismiss their chances. Much like 1995, a Griz team that had lost twice, playing Marshall at their house in front of 32,000.

And again, all VERY easy to say after a 10-win run. But after what we saw on the field in Flagstaff, and without knowing that half the team supposedly had COVID or the flu, there was EVERY reason to be concerned. Being critical <> “jumping off the bandwagon”, so we never had to “jump back on”…

Being concerned is not what we're talking about. Calling for major changes in the coaching staff in season and blasting a young transfer QB trying to find his way is. Blasting Mayginnes when he still has not been able to return is another. All of the crazy solutions provided to a lousy 3-1 record is what we're talking about. Those of us trying to rein this crap in were accused of being BH homers pejoratively. You were not the worst but you significantly over-reacted and were wrong. Yet you defend that malarky. I had hoped for you to learn from this. Many BH teams have started out slow and build to November. The OOC games are preseason for his approach, particularly this year when he had to choose a new QB. I was wrong in thinking Vidlak was going to be the guy, underestimating Big Cliff. BH's approach allowed him to emerge.

Should the Griz fall short I can already hear, "BH can't win the big one."

 

[goatcreekgriz]

Agree with Kem and PR. There was far too much vitriolic aggression after four games. Just support the student athletes, the coaches, and the university. This is Montana football, not your favorite pro team, so remember we have been here before and, after all, it’s still just a game played by college students. Now, let’s see the Griz devour a few bunnies.