Why Couldn't We Run?

[grzz]

Your point number three would make me think that play action should work against those teams...the linebacker has to make a decision quickly if he is going to attack the open gaps...leaving perhaps a TE or slot receiver open.

Play action would probably work if the QB wasn't already faking a play action every. single. play. of the game already. IMO.....

Don't disagree with that, but perhaps the problem with the play action currently is that they have JJ fake to a RB (or no one...) and then make him stand back there and wait for ONE slow developing deep route to open up. That kinds of takes away the surprise.

If the opposing teams defenses are doing what you say with the linebackers, then play action should be working. If it isn't, than we are doing it wrong. We don't have good success with intermediate or even short routes. Either they aren't giving JJ enough options, or he is in love with the deep ball. They should have got the TEs involved much earlier Saturday...IMO.

 

[PlayerRep]

Your point number three would make me think that play action should work against those teams...the linebacker has to make a decision quickly if he is going to attack the open gaps...leaving perhaps a TE or slot receiver open.

Play action would probably work if the QB wasn't already faking a play action every. single. play. of the game already. IMO.....

Don't disagree with that, but perhaps the problem with the play action currently is that they have JJ fake to a RB (or no one...) and then make him stand back there and wait for ONE slow developing deep route to open up. That kinds of takes away the surprise.

If the opposing teams defenses are doing what you say with the linebackers, then play action should be working. If it isn't, than we are doing it wrong. We don't have good success with intermediate or even short routes. Either they aren't giving JJ enough options, or he is in love with the deep ball. They should have got the TEs involved much earlier Saturday...IMO.

Maybe the fakes to no one were tributes to Van, since this was a day for tributes for those no longer with us or with health issues.

 

[grzz]

Your point number three would make me think that play action should work against those teams...the linebacker has to make a decision quickly if he is going to attack the open gaps...leaving perhaps a TE or slot receiver open.

Play action would probably work if the QB wasn't already faking a play action every. single. play. of the game already. IMO.....

Don't disagree with that, but perhaps the problem with the play action currently is that they have JJ fake to a RB (or no one...) and then make him stand back there and wait for ONE slow developing deep route to open up. That kinds of takes away the surprise.

If the opposing teams defenses are doing what you say with the linebackers, then play action should be working. If it isn't, than we are doing it wrong. We don't have good success with intermediate or even short routes. Either they aren't giving JJ enough options, or he is in love with the deep ball. They should have got the TEs involved much earlier Saturday...IMO.

Maybe the fakes to no one were tributes to Van, since this was a day for tributes for those no longer with us or with health issues.

I'm not sure exactly what this means, but I like it. :thumb:

 

[Mr. Greenjeans]

The toss sweeps, fly sweeps, off-tackle, etc were a huge problem all game.. and yet we kept running them over and over again like it was going to all of a sudden work. We ran right into the jaws of a very talented defensive line. Their defensive ends were terrific. Fast off the football. Their DL was small, but very quick and going right through our OL.

Exactly, yet our O continues to go for plays that are slow to work. Run it north/south, it's what our big dogs do best. :thumb:

 

[Mr. Greenjeans]

We were so reliant on the play action this last game that on a couple of occasions JJ went for the playaction but not a single running back was there. The rushing attack was gross this last game. Also, I played the game.. I was a quarterback in middle school.

This, when you abandon the run game early on play action loses its effectiveness, that's a no brainer for anyone that has watched football in the last 50 years.

 

[Fahque]

I guess this proves that people who never played the game know more than people who played the game (and at o-line no less) through college and a decade or so of the NFL, and then coached high school and college, including as o-line coach for multiple years in college. Let's see if we can arrange a meeting with Gragg and tell him. I'll post a signup sheet later.

Gawd you're the biggest a-hole I've ever seen. Instead if coming in here and adding something of value, since you played the game and obviously know more than every one else here combined, you just can't resist the urge to belittle anyone anytime you get the chance can you. Narcissistic much?

:flip:

 

[Copper Griz]

I guess this proves that people who never played the game know more than people who played the game (and at o-line no less) through college and a decade or so of the NFL, and then coached high school and college, including as o-line coach for multiple years in college. Let's see if we can arrange a meeting with Gragg and tell him. I'll post a signup sheet later.

Yes, only people who played the game are qualified to coach ( ex. Bobby Hauck). Gragg is great guy and I would think he has better things to do besides postulating about what people "who never played the game"'think or for that matter what an over the hill self important lawyer that is a has been - has to say. Gragg might even be preparing for the next game on the schedule - but what do I know? I never played the game and neither did BW. Discount everything you read on this board other than the self righteous drivel that Player Rep constantly types. What an ass. Chalk up one more egrizzer who will now ignore PR. I guess I should worship him because he has played the game. I probably won't post for awhile while I am busy building my shrine to him. I just can't eat fast enough.

Sure, tell us how you know more about o-line play than Gragg. You won't post much because you seldom have anything of substance to say. I love how posters like you start crying when someone tells them they never played the game or don't know the game.

Is this your idea of a substantive post? I love how some posters say they have put another on no-view, and then almost immediately respond to the poster they can't view.

Player Rep responding to his own post - priceless and very telling. That is what egriz would be like of it were up to him. Post #1. I played the game and I think blah blah blah. Post #2. I played the game and you are completely correct and a genius sir. Pat self on back and blah blah blah. Hilarious and tragic.

 

[SloStang]

This thread does not give enough credit to CPSLO's athleticism on both sides of the ball. They were quicker, tougher and more disciplined than we are used to. Look who we have played. We were soundly beaten the first 58 minutes of the game at the line of scrimmage.

Hey kem, we are back to even. Great game. Want to make the same bet on next year's game?

 

[kemajic]

This thread does not give enough credit to CPSLO's athleticism on both sides of the ball. They were quicker, tougher and more disciplined than we are used to. Look who we have played. We were soundly beaten the first 58 minutes of the game at the line of scrimmage.

Hey kem, we are back to even. Great game. Want to make the same bet on next year's game?

Sure, why not; looks to be 10/25 in SLO. We stole this one, and I felt pretty guilty until I recalled you pretty much stole the 2010 first bet. This is the best defense I've seen from CPSLO; quick and well schemed. Now we're pretty banged up for EWU this weekend, but we'll show up. Good that you have NAU at sea level....

 

[PlayerRep]

I guess this proves that people who never played the game know more than people who played the game (and at o-line no less) through college and a decade or so of the NFL, and then coached high school and college, including as o-line coach for multiple years in college. Let's see if we can arrange a meeting with Gragg and tell him. I'll post a signup sheet later.

Gawd you're the biggest a-hole I've ever seen. Instead if coming in here and adding something of value, since you played the game and obviously know more than every one else here combined, you just can't resist the urge to belittle anyone anytime you get the chance can you. Narcissistic much?

:flip:

Actually, it looks like my sarcasm is a bit over your head. You've been punked.

 

[PTGrizzly]

I guess this proves that people who never played the game know more than people who played the game (and at o-line no less) through college and a decade or so of the NFL, and then coached high school and college, including as o-line coach for multiple years in college. Let's see if we can arrange a meeting with Gragg and tell him. I'll post a signup sheet later.

Just because somebody has a lot of experience does not mean that they don't make mistakes. Take you for example...you are by all means an experienced and very good lawyer. I'm sure that you have made mistakes before. If you'd like to disagree with people, you could at least state good reasons rather than the whole, "herp derp he has lots of experience, knows more than you, therefore he can't be wrong" argument. Now maybe you did do that later in this thread (your post is as far as I've gotten so far), but I think that you, with all of your football knowledge, can come up with a better argument than this.

 

[Zootown Rox]

We couldn't run because Cal Poly stacked the box and sold out on stopping the run. CP also over pursued on every run play, but we never ran a counter, or reverse, or hell JJ could've gotten 30+ yards if they called a naked boot leg. The reason we couldn't run was the Offensive Coordinator didn't take what Cal Poly was giving him. He did call a couple of long pass plays when our receivers were one on one, but that is not the only play you can call, plus those take a while and JJ was getting pressured.

Bottomline -Cal Poly decided to take away the run and they sold out to do it, the Grizzlies Offensive Coordinator never adjusted.

 

[info]

I can tell you if they called a QB naked boot on the fourth down and one that Canada got dropped for a loss, JJ would have walked into the endzone....

 

['68griz]

I can tell you if they called a QB naked boot on the fourth down and one that Canada got dropped for a loss, JJ would have walked into the endzone....

I think you are probably 99.9% correct. But, I don't think calls like that will happen with this coaching staff. JMO.

 

[poorgriz]

Some people who "played the game" seem to believe that it is akin to understanding non-Newtonian physics. They are too full of themselves to realize it really isn't all that complicated. As a 12 year old I probably knew 90 percent of all I needed to know. That last 10 percent, well, you probably did need to have played to know it. And maybe that bit makes all the difference. However, I know enough people who did play that I am really not in awe of what they know that I don't. As much as they might want you to believe, they aren't rocket surgeons. There is no reason to kow-tow to the self-anointed football cognoscenti. F--- them!

You summed it up. At 12, you knew 90% of what you thought you needed to know. That's pretty funny. Again, why do people get so offended when someone tells them they never played the game or don't know the game? Is it because they know they don't know what they're talking about?

This is just weird. Why would someone need to TELL someone else that they never played the game? Would't that person that's being told by someone (you) already know that?

 

[Spanky]

I played high school OL, however, that doesn't seem to count on this board. At the beginning of the season, our OL was touted as our strength which doesn't seem to be factual. Maybe we should try some other players if the starters can't get the job done? Just sayin....
Oh, yes, I am well aware that Scott Gragg was a very good player.

 

[mcg]

Great players are often bad coaches. A great example is Ted Williams, one of the all time great players, bad baseball manager.

I'm still curious as to why the coaches kept calling that stretch play. There had to be a reason for it, I'd like to know what it is.

 

[big kahuna]

Can we get a new site started for anyone who uses the phrase, "those who didn't play the game?"

 

[PlayerRep]

I guess this proves that people who never played the game know more than people who played the game (and at o-line no less) through college and a decade or so of the NFL, and then coached high school and college, including as o-line coach for multiple years in college. Let's see if we can arrange a meeting with Gragg and tell him. I'll post a signup sheet later.

Just because somebody has a lot of experience does not mean that they don't make mistakes. Take you for example...you are by all means an experienced and very good lawyer. I'm sure that you have made mistakes before. If you'd like to disagree with people, you could at least state good reasons rather than the whole, "herp derp he has lots of experience, knows more than you, therefore he can't be wrong" argument. Now maybe you did do that later in this thread (your post is as far as I've gotten so far), but I think that you, with all of your football knowledge, can come up with a better argument than this.

You also don't understand sarcasm. Okay, which posters on the board do you think know more about o-line play than Gragg? When I disagree with people, I almost always tell them why. As time has gone on, with some posters whom I think are idiots, I sometimes just say they never played or don't understand the game, because I've figured out over time that it unduly irriates them--and know that sometimes you could have a discussion with an idiot. Don't think I've ever said you never played the game. That's because I can tell that you have a decent level of knowledge of the game. You and I just don't agree on many things, plus you seem to like picking at other posters, myself included.

 

[PlayerRep]

Can we get a new site started for anyone who uses the phrase, "those who didn't play the game?"

How about a site in the back for people who don't understand the game?