Why Couldn't We Run?

[BWahlberg]

Your point number three would make me think that play action should work against those teams...the linebacker has to make a decision quickly if he is going to attack the open gaps...leaving perhaps a TE or slot receiver open.

Play action would probably work if the QB wasn't already faking a play action every. single. play. of the game already. IMO.....

The thing I don't get (among everything about college football ) is it seems our passing game relies way too much on play action, which is fine, unless the running game is not effective then it seems useless.

It seems like the kind of frequent play action works best in the zone-read offense that Pflu ran when he was here. That was when the D was constantly guessing if it was a run or a pass and when it was working to perfection they wouldn't get it right all too often.

 

[Grizzoola]

Because Van got hurt and we only used one running back (mostly) from that point. They figured out his style of running and shut it down. Counts and Nygen, both have different styles of running and would have mixed things up!!!

Disagree. Every hole on that D line was plugged. Van is good at finding an alternate hole, but it wouldn't have worked this game. He'd have gone to the outside & they were waiting. They had our number on the run, a play which our O-line loves, but despite our size & weight, couldn't pull it off.

It's obvious we should have gone to a passing game, as others have said, early on. Our passing game clicked late, because that's where JJ really is. I'm saying nothing new, here.

Maybe the Griz need to revert more to Pflu's O? Exploit JJ's talent.

 

[PlayerRep]

I guess this proves that people who never played the game know more than people who played the game (and at o-line no less) through college and a decade or so of the NFL, and then coached high school and college, including as o-line coach for multiple years in college. Let's see if we can arrange a meeting with Gragg and tell him. I'll post a signup sheet later.

 

[bigkid]

One other thing after re watching the game it seems that Jordy has some time but can't find anyone to throw to. Are the receivers getting any separation? I have agreed over and over and have even stated that Poole would be more effective at tackle. Have to believe that Scott Gragg has played the game so...... Something tells me that things are gonna click this Saturday.Hope I'm right. :thumb:

 

[Grizzoola]

I guess this proves that people who never played the game know more than people who played the game (and at o-line no less) through college and a decade or so of the NFL, and then coached high school and college, including as o-line coach for multiple years in college. Let's see if we can arrange a meeting with Gragg and tell him. I'll post a signup sheet later.

You don't have to be a shopper to run a retail store. You don't have to be a patient to be a doctor. Same with football. You don't have to have played the game to understand it and analyze it. That's a phony qualification.

Lots of people in professional positions in sports have never played the game. Many players couldn't analyze a game, or football, beyond their own positions, for that matter. It goes both ways. Get off this nonsense, "You must have played the game to have an opinion (or even knowledge)." Yes, some depth can be brought, but it's not essential.

Brint's analyses, as well as many professionals in the media, are as valid, maybe more, as most players of the sport.

 

[MrTitleist]

We were so reliant on the play action this last game that on a couple of occasions JJ went for the playaction but not a single running back was there. The rushing attack was gross this last game. Also, I played the game.. I was a quarterback in middle school.

 

[zirge]

I guess this proves that people who never played the game know more than people who played the game (and at o-line no less) through college and a decade or so of the NFL, and then coached high school and college, including as o-line coach for multiple years in college. Let's see if we can arrange a meeting with Gragg and tell him. I'll post a signup sheet later.

You don't have to be a shopper to run a retail store. You don't have to be a patient to be a doctor. Same with football. You don't have to have played the game to understand it and analyze it. That's a phony qualification.

Lots of people in professional positions in sports have never played the game. Many players couldn't analyze a game, or football, beyond their own positions, for that matter. It goes both ways. Get off this nonsense, "You must have played the game to have an opinion (or even knowledge)." Yes, some depth can be brought, but it's not essential.

Brint's analyses, as well as many professionals in the media, are as valid, maybe more, as most players of the sport.

after years of playing the game players become so specialized that they do not know what other positions are about...hence we say that on egriz and so do the coaches when they move a player from on position to another...they need the time to understand that position so most of the time they are not qualified to start, sometimes years....so experience over time can limit your ability to see the whole picture....hence coaches wearing blinders due to professional specializing one position or ie o-line etc.
therefore, playing the game can hinder your ability to see what other clearly may see due to being more objective than partial

 

[stubbins]

Your point number three would make me think that play action should work against those teams...the linebacker has to make a decision quickly if he is going to attack the open gaps...leaving perhaps a TE or slot receiver open.

Play action would probably work if the QB wasn't already faking a play action every. single. play. of the game already. IMO.....

The thing I don't get (among everything about college football ) is it seems our passing game relies way too much on play action, which is fine, unless the running game is not effective then it seems useless.

It seems like the kind of frequent play action works best in the zone-read offense that Pflu ran when he was here. That was when the D was constantly guessing if it was a run or a pass and when it was working to perfection they wouldn't get it right all too often.

It also spread everybody out and created mis-matches that you oculus take advantage of. This offense is old school, this is what we are going to do so stop it, and if you do stop it, we have no plan B....

 

[kemajic]

I guess this proves that people who never played the game know more than people who played the game (and at o-line no less) through college and a decade or so of the NFL, and then coached high school and college, including as o-line coach for multiple years in college. Let's see if we can arrange a meeting with Gragg and tell him. I'll post a signup sheet later.

You don't have to be a shopper to run a retail store. You don't have to be a patient to be a doctor. Same with football. You don't have to have played the game to understand it and analyze it. That's a phony qualification.

Lots of people in professional positions in sports have never played the game. Many players couldn't analyze a game, or football, beyond their own positions, for that matter. It goes both ways. Get off this nonsense, "You must have played the game to have an opinion (or even knowledge)." Yes, some depth can be brought, but it's not essential.

Brint's analyses, as well as many professionals in the media, are as valid, maybe more, as most players of the sport.

Bobby Hauck never played the game after class B high school.

 

[kemajic]

This thread does not give enough credit to CPSLO's athleticism on both sides of the ball. They were quicker, tougher and more disciplined than we are used to. Look who we have played. We were soundly beaten the first 58 minutes of the game at the line of scrimmage.

 

[pussycatkillerz]

Good ?

Look at the arms on Canada
Clearly he's been eating his wheaties...

Counts is a machine as well....maybe we should have gave him the rock a few times...

Cal Poly had a bad ass D

 

[PlayerRep]

I guess this proves that people who never played the game know more than people who played the game (and at o-line no less) through college and a decade or so of the NFL, and then coached high school and college, including as o-line coach for multiple years in college. Let's see if we can arrange a meeting with Gragg and tell him. I'll post a signup sheet later.

You don't have to be a shopper to run a retail store. You don't have to be a patient to be a doctor. Same with football. You don't have to have played the game to understand it and analyze it. That's a phony qualification.

Lots of people in professional positions in sports have never played the game. Many players couldn't analyze a game, or football, beyond their own positions, for that matter. It goes both ways. Get off this nonsense, "You must have played the game to have an opinion (or even knowledge)." Yes, some depth can be brought, but it's not essential.

Brint's analyses, as well as many professionals in the media, are as valid, maybe more, as most players of the sport.

No one, to my recollection, has ever said on egriz, "You must have played the game to have an opinion (or even knowledge)." Feel free to point it out, if someone has.

Nor does saying that someone obviously hasn't played the game or doesn't understand the game translate into meaning you have to have played the game to have an opinion or have knowledge. Some of you are such poor readers and thinkers, and lack even rudimentary logical thinking, that I don't understand how you even get by in life.

 

[Copper Griz]

I guess this proves that people who never played the game know more than people who played the game (and at o-line no less) through college and a decade or so of the NFL, and then coached high school and college, including as o-line coach for multiple years in college. Let's see if we can arrange a meeting with Gragg and tell him. I'll post a signup sheet later.

Yes, only people who played the game are qualified to coach ( ex. Bobby Hauck). Gragg is great guy and I would think he has better things to do besides postulating about what people "who never played the game"'think or for that matter what an over the hill self important lawyer that is a has been - has to say. Gragg might even be preparing for the next game on the schedule - but what do I know? I never played the game and neither did BW. Discount everything you read on this board other than the self righteous drivel that Player Rep constantly types. What an ass. Chalk up one more egrizzer who will now ignore PR. I guess I should worship him because he has played the game. I probably won't post for awhile while I am busy building my shrine to him. I just can't eat fast enough.

 

[PlayerRep]

I guess this proves that people who never played the game know more than people who played the game (and at o-line no less) through college and a decade or so of the NFL, and then coached high school and college, including as o-line coach for multiple years in college. Let's see if we can arrange a meeting with Gragg and tell him. I'll post a signup sheet later.

Yes, only people who played the game are qualified to coach ( ex. Bobby Hauck). Gragg is great guy and I would think he has better things to do besides postulating about what people "who never played the game"'think or for that matter what an over the hill self important lawyer that is a has been - has to say. Gragg might even be preparing for the next game on the schedule - but what do I know? I never played the game and neither did BW. Discount everything you read on this board other than the self righteous drivel that Player Rep constantly types. What an ass. Chalk up one more egrizzer who will now ignore PR. I guess I should worship him because he has played the game. I probably won't post for awhile while I am busy building my shrine to him. I just can't eat fast enough.

Sure, tell us how you know more about o-line play than Gragg. You won't post much because you seldom have anything of substance to say. I love how posters like you start crying when someone tells them they never played the game or don't know the game.

 

[Copper Griz]

I guess this proves that people who never played the game know more than people who played the game (and at o-line no less) through college and a decade or so of the NFL, and then coached high school and college, including as o-line coach for multiple years in college. Let's see if we can arrange a meeting with Gragg and tell him. I'll post a signup sheet later.

Yes, only people who played the game are qualified to coach ( ex. Bobby Hauck). Gragg is great guy and I would think he has better things to do besides postulating about what people "who never played the game"'think or for that matter what an over the hill self important lawyer that is a has been - has to say. Gragg might even be preparing for the next game on the schedule - but what do I know? I never played the game and neither did BW. Discount everything you read on this board other than the self righteous drivel that Player Rep constantly types. What an ass. Chalk up one more egrizzer who will now ignore PR. I guess I should worship him because he has played the game. I probably won't post for awhile while I am busy building my shrine to him. I just can't eat fast enough.

Sure, tell us how you know more about o-line play than Gragg. You won't post much because you seldom have anything of substance to say. I love how posters like you start crying when someone tells them they never played the game or don't know the game.

Yes I am crying. Sobbing, oh God egriz is my life. I come for entertainment - pure entertainment. You come here for validation. Sorry - I can't help you. Remember, I never played the game Mr substance.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Some people who "played the game" seem to believe that it is akin to understanding non-Newtonian physics. They are too full of themselves to realize it really isn't all that complicated. As a 12 year old I probably knew 90 percent of all I needed to know. That last 10 percent, well, you probably did need to have played to know it. And maybe that bit makes all the difference. However, I know enough people who did play that I am really not in awe of what they know that I don't. As much as they might want you to believe, they aren't rocket surgeons. There is no reason to kow-tow to the self-anointed football cognoscenti. F--- them!

 

[BWahlberg]

For the record I just posted that my opinion was coming from someone who has never played because more and more I feel kind of funny giving my opinion on it. I never did play and I think that it's hard for someone who has just been an observer to fully understand it.

And I really didn't want to start a "played vs didn't play" argument.

 

[stubbins]

For the record I just posted that my opinion was coming from someone who has never played because more and more I feel kind of funny giving my opinion on it. I never did play and I think that it's hard for someone who has just been an observer to fully understand it.

And I really didn't want to start a "played vs didn't play" argument.

You had to play the game to know whether your post would start a "played vs. didn't play" argument....

 

[PlayerRep]

I guess this proves that people who never played the game know more than people who played the game (and at o-line no less) through college and a decade or so of the NFL, and then coached high school and college, including as o-line coach for multiple years in college. Let's see if we can arrange a meeting with Gragg and tell him. I'll post a signup sheet later.

Yes, only people who played the game are qualified to coach ( ex. Bobby Hauck). Gragg is great guy and I would think he has better things to do besides postulating about what people "who never played the game"'think or for that matter what an over the hill self important lawyer that is a has been - has to say. Gragg might even be preparing for the next game on the schedule - but what do I know? I never played the game and neither did BW. Discount everything you read on this board other than the self righteous drivel that Player Rep constantly types. What an ass. Chalk up one more egrizzer who will now ignore PR. I guess I should worship him because he has played the game. I probably won't post for awhile while I am busy building my shrine to him. I just can't eat fast enough.

Sure, tell us how you know more about o-line play than Gragg. You won't post much because you seldom have anything of substance to say. I love how posters like you start crying when someone tells them they never played the game or don't know the game.

[Yes I am crying. Sobbing, oh God egriz is my life. I come for entertainment - pure entertainment. You come here for validation. Sorry - I can't help you. Remember, I never played the game Mr substance.]

Is this your idea of a substantive post? I love how some posters say they have put another on no-view, and then almost immediately respond to the poster they can't view.

 

[PlayerRep]

Some people who "played the game" seem to believe that it is akin to understanding non-Newtonian physics. They are too full of themselves to realize it really isn't all that complicated. As a 12 year old I probably knew 90 percent of all I needed to know. That last 10 percent, well, you probably did need to have played to know it. And maybe that bit makes all the difference. However, I know enough people who did play that I am really not in awe of what they know that I don't. As much as they might want you to believe, they aren't rocket surgeons. There is no reason to kow-tow to the self-anointed football cognoscenti. F--- them!

You summed it up. At 12, you knew 90% of what you thought you needed to know. That's pretty funny. Again, why do people get so offended when someone tells them they never played the game or don't know the game? Is it because they know they don't know what they're talking about?