Why a lot of people don't like GU

[CDAGRIZ]

Screw the ZAGS and their posters here. I do not care anymore. Thanks to the ZAG posters here, I officially am pulling for all regional teams but the ZAGS. I can no longer be on board with this program. I took much pride the last 10 years cheering on a regional team. I am now taking that energy to adopting the Cougs as my 2nd favorite regional team. The difference being the Coug fans are not coming on here thumping their chests.

Thanks to their posters here, I now realize they are now too ELITE and are no longer a NCAA darling. I do not want to be part of an elitists group of fans posting on another fan base website. GO GRIZ, COUGS, HUSKIES, BRONCOS, ALL the WCC, WAC, MWC, and BSC. What does the team from Spokane have in common with all the teams/conferences listed above (except maybe the Cougs)? They will all be watching NCAA games on the tube after the 1st or 2nd round.

Seriously ZAG fans, if you want to talk ZAG basketball, fine. Just do it on your website(s). If we want ZAG basketball, we can visit those sites. This has nothing to do with their program, honestly I am "ZAGGED OUT" on EGRIZ! (keyword GRIZ).

A GRIZ FAN STARTED THIS THREAD!!! NO ZAG FAN HAS STARTED A ZAG THREAD ON THIS BOARD IN A LONG TIME!!!

I only post about the Zags on here when trash is being spoken about them.

Also, every time you post in a Zag thread, it goes to the top of the page! Maybe Lou and I should start making Zag threads again so at least your criticism of us is founded.

One thing that is pretty funny is we never hear from you Zag fans when you are winning. Maybe that is why it has been so quiet. :thumb:

Yeah, we've meen winning a lot!! :laugh: So it's been quiet. :laugh:

Maybe you should check your statement.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Oh I get it GB1. Let's recap:

I said Few could be arrogant and cocky and I would still support him because he has a winning percentage of .800. I do not, nor have I ever, disputed that I wrote this.

You said that, because of that, I must support Knight since he has a lot of wins.

I said no, because I think there is a difference between simply being arrogant/cocky/dickish and acting like Knight. And no, because I cited winning % not total wins. You made a flawed assertion.

You said that i should admit when I am wrong.

I said that I do, gave an example, and that you should try the same.

Like I predicted, you did nothing of the sort.

Listen, GB1, I think you are a good guy. But if being cocky and arrogant is the same thing as behaving like Knight (like you suggested), then everyone who is arrogant will throw chairs and headbutt players. Surely you agree that this is ridiculous due to the fact that there are many arrogant coaches and only one who has thrown Knight-like tantrums.

Do you have any freaking idea how easy this is for me? There, that was arrogant; and I've never thrown a chair.

You are right a lot of times, but not this time. It's plain and simple. Sorry, GB1.

Speaking of misquoting, go back and read what I said. I NEVER said you MUST support Knight. What I said was "I guess you supported", which was worded in a way you could clarify it, because I always thought someone who threw a chair must be a cocky, arrogant dick, words you used. I like Knight for his knowledge of basketball, and for the multitude of good things he does off the court, that most people don't know about or give him any credit for. I thought the chair incident was pathetic.

I simply took exception with the words you chose to use and justify by saying it was OK as long as he won a lot of games. If you don't think the descriptors you use would aptylu describe Knight's behaviour, then what would you call a coach that throws a chair? I think that is cocky, arrogant, and something a dick would do. So do you see why I asked the question?

I see. You are right. You never said that I MUST support Knight. You only guessed that I did. You left it open for clarification. When I clarified it, you did not say anything like, "oh, I see the difference".

What I see now is that you need a small lesson in sufficiency and necessity:

You are right- anyone who throws a chair must be an arrogant dick. Throwing a chair is sufficient to necessitate one's state as an arrogant dick. It is flat out wrong, however, to assume that anyone who is an arrogant dick throws chairs. And subsequently assume that if I believe Few to be an arrogant dick, then I support Knight-like behavior. You can't just flip the conditional.

An example usually helps: Let's assume that everyone who sits in the NEZ is a Griz fan (might not be true, but let's assume that it is). It is then fair to say that if I sit in the NEZ, I am a griz fan. Now, if I flip the conditional like you did, I would conclude: If I am a griz fan, I sit in the NEZ. Obviously wrong since there are plenty of grizfans who don't sit in the NEZ. Now, I may support some grizfans and not support others. (I may support some arrogant dick and not others). Just because I support one grizfan doesn't necessitate that I like any grizfan sitting in the NEZ. Just because I would support Few were he an arrogant dick, doesn't necessitate that I support the chair-tossing Knight.

It all starts with the flaw of assuming that because if one throws a chair, he is an arrogant dick, so if one supports an alleged arrogant dick, he supports chair throwing behavior.

I hope this clarifies enough.

The NEZ example made me laugh because most people that don't sit there think anyone who does is pretty much a freaking crazy ass Griz fan. The only ones I see complaining about NEZ fans, are other NEZ fans, generally when it comes to booing or standing.

The irony of the Knight/Few comparison is they are friends and I am pretty sure they have fly fished together.

So did it work though? Do you see now why I would support Few and not Knight?

 

[Grizbacker1]

Speaking of misquoting, go back and read what I said. I NEVER said you MUST support Knight. What I said was "I guess you supported", which was worded in a way you could clarify it, because I always thought someone who threw a chair must be a cocky, arrogant dick, words you used. I like Knight for his knowledge of basketball, and for the multitude of good things he does off the court, that most people don't know about or give him any credit for. I thought the chair incident was pathetic.

I simply took exception with the words you chose to use and justify by saying it was OK as long as he won a lot of games. If you don't think the descriptors you use would aptylu describe Knight's behaviour, then what would you call a coach that throws a chair? I think that is cocky, arrogant, and something a dick would do. So do you see why I asked the question?

I see. You are right. You never said that I MUST support Knight. You only guessed that I did. You left it open for clarification. When I clarified it, you did not say anything like, "oh, I see the difference".

What I see now is that you need a small lesson in sufficiency and necessity:

You are right- anyone who throws a chair must be an arrogant dick. Throwing a chair is sufficient to necessitate one's state as an arrogant dick. It is flat out wrong, however, to assume that anyone who is an arrogant dick throws chairs. And subsequently assume that if I believe Few to be an arrogant dick, then I support Knight-like behavior. You can't just flip the conditional.

An example usually helps: Let's assume that everyone who sits in the NEZ is a Griz fan (might not be true, but let's assume that it is). It is then fair to say that if I sit in the NEZ, I am a griz fan. Now, if I flip the conditional like you did, I would conclude: If I am a griz fan, I sit in the NEZ. Obviously wrong since there are plenty of grizfans who don't sit in the NEZ. Now, I may support some grizfans and not support others. (I may support some arrogant dick and not others). Just because I support one grizfan doesn't necessitate that I like any grizfan sitting in the NEZ. Just because I would support Few were he an arrogant dick, doesn't necessitate that I support the chair-tossing Knight.

It all starts with the flaw of assuming that because if one throws a chair, he is an arrogant dick, so if one supports an alleged arrogant dick, he supports chair throwing behavior.

I hope this clarifies enough.

The NEZ example made me laugh because most people that don't sit there think anyone who does is pretty much a freaking crazy ass Griz fan. The only ones I see complaining about NEZ fans, are other NEZ fans, generally when it comes to booing or standing.

The irony of the Knight/Few comparison is they are friends and I am pretty sure they have fly fished together.

So did it work though? Do you see now why I would support Few and not Knight?

NO. I don't think winning percentages gives anyone the right to be an arrogant, cocky, dick. WHY? John Wooden, Dean Smith, Mike Kryzewski. Adolph Rupp, Lute Olsen, to name but a few.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Oh my God! That's not what I asked. Assume that I support an arrogant dick if he has a good winning %. Do you see why that doesn't mean that I support Bobby Knight?

 

[Lou]

One thing that is pretty funny is we never hear from you Zag fans when you are winning. Maybe that is why it has been so quiet. :thumb:

Yeah that is funny, huh Grizbacker? :loser:

Hopefully we win all our games so it's really quiet around here. All of you who hate us should root really hard for the Zags!

 

[bizzel]

It is very unfortunate that you all feel the need to argue about these Gonzaga Bulldogs. They represent a wonderful team with a tremendous coach who has the utmost loyalty. The Gonzaga program is great. If people do not accept that, then I have no time for them.

 

[Grizbacker1]

One thing that is pretty funny is we never hear from you Zag fans when you are winning. Maybe that is why it has been so quiet. :thumb:

Yeah that is funny, huh Grizbacker? :loser:

Hopefully we win all our games so it's really quiet around here. All of you who hate us should root really hard for the Zags!

I knew that would lure you are out of your hole loulou. You are one of the one's that goes on invisible mode when on Egriz. You know what I meant, obviously you haven't been here because you are racking up L's. :loser:

 

[Lou]

One thing that is pretty funny is we never hear from you Zag fans when you are winning. Maybe that is why it has been so quiet. :thumb:

Yeah that is funny, huh Grizbacker? :loser:

Hopefully we win all our games so it's really quiet around here. All of you who hate us should root really hard for the Zags!

I knew that would lure you are out of your hole loulou. You are one of the one's that goes on invisible mode when on Egriz. You know what I meant, obviously you haven't been here because you are racking up L's. :loser:

Don't try to act like you meant to say that, it's pathetic. Just admit that you misstyped.

 

[Grizbacker1]

One thing that is pretty funny is we never hear from you Zag fans when you are winning. Maybe that is why it has been so quiet. :thumb:

Yeah that is funny, huh Grizbacker? :loser:

Hopefully we win all our games so it's really quiet around here. All of you who hate us should root really hard for the Zags!

I knew that would lure you are out of your hole loulou. You are one of the one's that goes on invisible mode when on Egriz. You know what I meant, obviously you haven't been here because you are racking up L's. :loser:

Don't try to act like you meant to say that, it's pathetic. Just admit that you misstyped.

Are you that stupid? Read what I said. I said you know what I meant, ala it was a typo. I saw it, but it was past the 5 minute edit period, so I left it. I knew a POS like you would have some cute little comment. So GFY LouLou.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

One thing that is pretty funny is we never hear from you Zag fans when you are winning. Maybe that is why it has been so quiet. :thumb:

Yeah that is funny, huh Grizbacker? :loser:

Hopefully we win all our games so it's really quiet around here. All of you who hate us should root really hard for the Zags!

I knew that would lure you are out of your hole loulou. You are one of the one's that goes on invisible mode when on Egriz. You know what I meant, obviously you haven't been here because you are racking up L's. :loser:

Don't try to act like you meant to say that, it's pathetic. Just admit that you misstyped.

Nice try Lou. But you should know better than to expect an admittance of a mistake of any kind from a MONTANAMAN!

 

[Lou]

Yeah that is funny, huh Grizbacker? :loser:

Hopefully we win all our games so it's really quiet around here. All of you who hate us should root really hard for the Zags!

I knew that would lure you are out of your hole loulou. You are one of the one's that goes on invisible mode when on Egriz. You know what I meant, obviously you haven't been here because you are racking up L's. :loser:

Don't try to act like you meant to say that, it's pathetic. Just admit that you misstyped.

Are you that stupid? Read what I said. I said you know what I meant, ala it was a typo. I saw it, but it was past the 5 minute edit period, so I left it. I knew a POS like you would have some cute little comment. So GFY LouLou.

I'm just gonna call you Ol' Neverwrong from now on. Thanks for calling me a POS; that displays great cognitive ability from Ol' Neverwrong.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Yeah that is funny, huh Grizbacker? :loser:

Hopefully we win all our games so it's really quiet around here. All of you who hate us should root really hard for the Zags!

I knew that would lure you are out of your hole loulou. You are one of the one's that goes on invisible mode when on Egriz. You know what I meant, obviously you haven't been here because you are racking up L's. :loser:

Don't try to act like you meant to say that, it's pathetic. Just admit that you misstyped.

Nice try Lou. But you should know better than to expect an admittance of a mistake of any kind from a MONTANAMAN!

Ignorance from Zag fans must run deep. Reading comprehension skills you guys are totally without, no wonder you are bedmates.

 

[Lou]

I knew that would lure you are out of your hole loulou. You are one of the one's that goes on invisible mode when on Egriz. You know what I meant, obviously you haven't been here because you are racking up L's. :loser:

Don't try to act like you meant to say that, it's pathetic. Just admit that you misstyped.

Nice try Lou. But you should know better than to expect an admittance of a mistake of any kind from a MONTANAMAN!

Ignorance from Zag fans must run deep. Reading comprehension skills you guys are totally without, no wonder you are bedmates.

Oh Ol' Neverwrong, I don't think you know who you are talking to... In fact, you must not if you think we are lacking in comprehension skills.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I can assure you Lou, that he has no clue.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Don't try to act like you meant to say that, it's pathetic. Just admit that you misstyped.

Nice try Lou. But you should know better than to expect an admittance of a mistake of any kind from a MONTANAMAN!

Ignorance from Zag fans must run deep. Reading comprehension skills you guys are totally without, no wonder you are bedmates.

Oh Ol' Neverwrong, I don't think you know who you are talking to... In fact, you must not if you think we are lacking in comprehension skills.

Please do tell me how brilliant you are. I think it is pretty funny you two have to hide the fact you are on a message board. Are you afraid you might see your shadow?

 

[Lou]

Nice try Lou. But you should know better than to expect an admittance of a mistake of any kind from a MONTANAMAN!

Ignorance from Zag fans must run deep. Reading comprehension skills you guys are totally without, no wonder you are bedmates.

Oh Ol' Neverwrong, I don't think you know who you are talking to... In fact, you must not if you think we are lacking in comprehension skills.

Please do tell me how brilliant you are. I think it is pretty funny you two have to hide the fact you are on a message board. Are you afraid you might see your shadow?

Pretty f-ing brilliant. Also, I for one do not attempt to hide the fact that I am on a message board. That would be pretty silly considering the fact that I post on here, don't you think?

PS- I quoted just so we could see that awesome pic again.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Ignorance from Zag fans must run deep. Reading comprehension skills you guys are totally without, no wonder you are bedmates.

Oh Ol' Neverwrong, I don't think you know who you are talking to... In fact, you must not if you think we are lacking in comprehension skills.

Please do tell me how brilliant you are. I think it is pretty funny you two have to hide the fact you are on a message board. Are you afraid you might see your shadow?

Pretty f-ing brilliant. Also, I for one do not attempt to hide the fact that I am on a message board. That would be pretty silly considering the fact that I post on here, don't you think?

PS- I quoted just so we could see that awesome pic again.

Oh really Einstein, then where is your name?
:loser:
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[Lou]

Oh. It's at the top-left of all my posts.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Oh. It's at the top-left of all my posts.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Oh. It's at the top-left of all my posts.

Once again, you prove my point. :loser: