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Definitely need to wait and see how it shakes out before casting blame.
My only question is with all the recent activity seen at UM, MSU, and around the country, it amazes me why these "kids" aren't more careful in their actions. You aren't just putting your football career in jeopardy, but your future. Think before you act! (There, I sound like an old man. :D)
 
OptimusPrime said:
Definitely need to wait and see how it shakes out before casting blame.
My only question is with all the recent activity seen at UM, MSU, and around the country, it amazes me why these "kids" aren't more careful in their actions. You aren't just putting your football career in jeopardy, but your future. Think before you act! (There, I sound like an old man. :D)

I never did that when I was college, even if I just watched somebody do the same thing & get hurt. Young, bulletproof & probably full of booze is never a good combo for thinking about one's actions.
 
MrTitleist said:
Raider said:
MrTitleist said:
Might be about time to give ATLCAT a break from eGriz.. she seems to have a problem with trolling.

...but yet it's cool when 2506 comes out of the wood work every couple months to act like a total prick.

Gotcha........

Forgot him too!


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Great use of the ban hammer, Mr. T! And THANK YOU!


And I fully agree with the reasonable cat posters on here. It's far too early to pass judgment on either of the participants. But it still pisses me off that another Griz player is headlinging the front page and not the sports page.

Man, I'm just sooooo over this shit.
 
This most likely falls into the definition of a "domestic dispute". No, there is no evidence that they are or were married but apparently these difficulties result from some kind of personal relationship. Anyone in law enforcement knows that domestic disputes are very tough to sort out (and very dangerous when happening in a home) when the law has been used to intervene. The interaction tends to escalate through various means, sometimes involving physical harm and/or false accusations/charges. It is a "game" of who can hurt the other person more. Of course this is wait and see but at the very least it is truly unfortunate that yet another football player is in the news on a sexual assault related charge -- whether guilty or innocent or anywhere inbetween.
 
Grisly Fan said:
This most likely falls into the definition of a "domestic dispute". No, there is no evidence that they are or were married but apparently these difficulties result from some kind of personal relationship. Anyone in law enforcement knows that domestic disputes are very tough to sort out (and very dangerous when happening in a home) when the law has been used to intervene. The interaction tends to escalate through various means, sometimes involving physical harm and/or false accusations/charges. It is a "game" of who can hurt the other person more. Of course this is wait and see but at the very least it is truly unfortunate that yet another football player is in the news on a sexual assault related charge -- whether guilty or innocent or anywhere inbetween.

Too early to make assumptions.
 
Typical Missoula media last night. An 11 year old boy died in a house fire yesterday morning in Missoula. Yet KPAX leads with the allegations about Jordan Johnson. :roll: :roll: :roll:

All it takes for a restraining order is an allegation. There is no hearing or anything for up to 20 days. And if it is requested, it is almost always granted. While I do not know any of the facts of this case, I wouldn't read too much into a restraining order. Sometimes they are used for reasons other than personal protection.
 
grizpack said:
Sometimes they are used for reasons other than personal protection.

While I agree with this, I think the "after an alleged sexual assault" part of the report would indicate the restraining order was for protection.

That said, I agree that anyone can pretty much get a restraining order for any reason.
 
yes, people definitely need to calm down on both sides. of course there will always be a few cat fans that come on here and give us crap. and a few of our posters that will say it's all fabricated. get used to it.

all we know right now is that a woman filed for the tro last friday, jj wasn't charged with a crime and the tro was served to his atty on monday. we don't know who she is, we don't know the date/time of when it happened, we don't even know who his atty is. i'm sure pr is working on it and will have some info to us soon, if he's around. like it or not, pr is an ace at getting to the bottom of these things.

the only thing i find odd is that foley didn't know about it yesterday. if jj's atty was served on monday, i'd think they'd informed him asap and that jj would inform pfly, who would inform the administrators beginning with o'day. perhaps there is a logical explanation for that.
 
DuCharme said:
ATLCAT said:
I would like to know who calls/called MILT 1st. Amandas Dad, grizbacker1, or Foley?

Its all just a conspiracy anyway. At least that will be one of the excuses we'll hear. Cops hate griz football players and it's common knowledge in Missoula. Playerraper will have the skinny unless he/she is the one who submitted the order of protection.

If its true and jj is actually found to have done something wrong, it'll be ok, because Amandas Dad will only force him to miss the 1st 15 minutes of Spring Drills.

If he's guilty of this, he should be gone. Then you'll need to get ready to hate on Trent McKinney.

And you will NOT let us down. That is an order.

:) :) Hate is a strong word ;)
 
wbtfg said:
grizpack said:
Sometimes they are used for reasons other than personal protection.

While I agree with this, I think the "after an alleged sexual assault" part of the report would indicate the restraining order was for protection.

That said, I agree that anyone can pretty much get a restraining order for any reason.


yes, the word 'sexual' makes a huge difference in all of this.
 
hokeyfine said:
jordan johnson restraining order on the news. woman claims she was sexually assaulted by him.

Oh where to start.

1.) This is a temporary restraining order, the kind in Montana that anyone can fill out against anyone without proving a thing. Because nothing has been proven, TROs are almost always granted no questions asked. They are not granted by the the police department. You don't have to go through the police to file one and that back and forth of TRO paperwork between muni court, district court, district attorney and the PD is as perfunctory as attaching stamps to outgoing mail, which makes that detail of the TV story kind of bizarre.

2.) A court will have to determine whether a permanent restraining order is warranted. Most TROs do not become permanent. Most do not have merit. Some do (Bobcat fans, you might want to check with Gallatin County District Court about permanent restraining orders before charging out the door with a bucket of rocks.).

3.) TROs usually fly way, way under the radar of local news media. They usually don't show up in the police reports because the police aren't necessarily involved. They aren't readily available for public review at muni courts. Even if they become permanent, they're still not criminal matters, which brings me to the TV story.

4.) When was the last time a Missoula TV news station reported on a TRO? Probably never would be my guess. I suspect the news station got a lot of help finding the TRO.

5.) Was there a sexual assault at all? There's no penalty filing a TRO on grounds that can't be proven. There's no penalty for filing a TRO that's totally false. If the TRO is bogus, it won't be made permanent and the issue will just go away.

6.) It is really too bad that the TV station didn't contact the person who filed the order to get a better feel for whether this TRO had merit. If it does have merit, the accuser should be building a case for making it permanent. She should have compelling proof. If she doesn't, that would be a good indicator that this ordeal is a non-starter. So far, she has provided no information backing her claim so far, despite being allowed several pages to explain in her own words why the TRO was needed in the first place, which should have sent up red flags for the news station.
 
No matter what the circumstances are this does not look good. I came to eGriz this morning to read about how crappy our amazing basketball team looked yesterday. I had no intention on reading more bad news about our football program.
 
GrizMusician said:
I get up this morning to read about this sh*t? ...I need to stay away from eGriz.

How would it be any different if you read the Missoulian or KPAX, where it's on the front page there too?
 
MrTitleist said:
Raider said:
MrTitleist said:
Might be about time to give ATLCAT a break from eGriz.. she seems to have a problem with trolling.

...but yet it's cool when 2506 comes out of the wood work every couple months to act like a total prick.

Gotcha........

Forgot him too!


WTF, all did was post a link to a news source, that had not been done at the time all prople were going on was some saying they heard it on the news.
 
RogerBadger said:
HookedonGriz said:
Got an in with the news....she said it's supposedly an ex-girlfriend who filed the temporary order....so now there's a lot of speculation

Ya hear that Griz? Sex crimes are OK as long as their with someone you've dated!!! Go get 'em boys!!!

Wow, buddy, I didn't say that at all. I was just letting folks know that it's supposedly an ex-girlfriend who filed it, which does lead to a lot of speculation. What if she was a jealous psycho who is mad Jordan moved on with someone new and wanted to damage his reputation? I have no idea if that's the case, but unfortunately there are plenty of women (and men) who are capable of doing something like that. Unfortunately, only the two of them will ever know the truth, but either way it's bad news for an already-scrutinized football program. On another note, learn to spell properly if you're going to bash me...shows your level of true intellect when you said "as long as their with..." You may want to try "as long as they're with...." next time. Good luck with that :)
 
Cats2506 said:
MrTitleist said:
This is your warning to stop trolling or you'll be removed from the board.

what have I done to troll?

jeeze, you people sure have a lot of sand up your vag
Trolling is just an excuse...the real reason is that nobody likes you. :(
 
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