Who will be the next UM Coach...

[grizindabox]

I'm a bh guy; give me special teams, defense and halftime adjustments. Those that point to his record at unlv...what are reasonable expectations at unlv? He took that program to a bowl game. Some point to his character. A dick who won 80% of his games...works for me. Felt he sold out and abandoned the program? That's how this works! It's called career trajectory. Recruiting? He can still point to a half dozen current nfl players. Didn't win the big game? James Madison had a stud defense, Richmond dline was impressive, and the qb from nova was special. Were we favored in any of those? He also won several big time playoff games. 2009 alone was legendary.

Hauck isn't perfect but he's proven. The argument about new blood is valid. But bobby can ball and a highly motivated, ready to prove his success wasn't a fluke, pissed off hauck is the coach I want. Go griz

That same question could probably be asked about Mines...

 

[jcu27]

I'm a bh guy; give me special teams, defense and halftime adjustments. Those that point to his record at unlv...what are reasonable expectations at unlv? He took that program to a bowl game. Some point to his character. A dick who won 80% of his games...works for me. Felt he sold out and abandoned the program? That's how this works! It's called career trajectory. Recruiting? He can still point to a half dozen current nfl players. Didn't win the big game? James Madison had a stud defense, Richmond dline was impressive, and the qb from nova was special. Were we favored in any of those? He also won several big time playoff games. 2009 alone was legendary.

Hauck isn't perfect but he's proven. The argument about new blood is valid. But bobby can ball and a highly motivated, ready to prove his success wasn't a fluke, pissed off hauck is the coach I want. Go griz

That same question could probably be asked about Mines...

Except UNLV plays way better teams..

 

[One.Cool.Customer]

I'm a bh guy; give me special teams, defense and halftime adjustments. Those that point to his record at unlv...what are reasonable expectations at unlv? He took that program to a bowl game. Some point to his character. A dick who won 80% of his games...works for me. Felt he sold out and abandoned the program? That's how this works! It's called career trajectory. Recruiting? He can still point to a half dozen current nfl players. Didn't win the big game? James Madison had a stud defense, Richmond dline was impressive, and the qb from nova was special. Were we favored in any of those? He also won several big time playoff games. 2009 alone was legendary.

Hauck isn't perfect but he's proven. The argument about new blood is valid. But bobby can ball and a highly motivated, ready to prove his success wasn't a fluke, pissed off hauck is the coach I want. Go griz

That same question could probably be asked about Mines...

And to me, stitt passes that question. Recruiting is my concern with him. But he can obviously get engineers to run his system. Also, what's his basic philosophy on defense? Aggressive, conservative, ignore that side of the ball?

 

[jcu27]

Also UNLV is Division 1. Don't know if you knew that.

 

[grizatwork]

Also UNLV is Division 1. Don't know if you knew that.

Apples to Oranges. You compare a team and a coach to their peers.

 

[jcu27]

Also UNLV is Division 1. Don't know if you knew that.

Apples to Oranges. You compare a team and a coach to their peers.

Yeah..... no.

 

[grizatwork]

Also UNLV is Division 1. Don't know if you knew that.

Apples to Oranges. You compare a team and a coach to their peers.

Yeah..... no.

OK. Put School of Mines in the Mountain West and you get an 0-12 team. Put UNLV in the RMAC and they are D2 national champs. So....yeah. You compare a team and coach based on who they play with similar size schools, talent, and coaching.

 

[TCCGRIZ]

I'm a bh guy; give me special teams, defense and halftime adjustments. Those that point to his record at unlv...what are reasonable expectations at unlv? He took that program to a bowl game. Some point to his character. A dick who won 80% of his games...works for me. Felt he sold out and abandoned the program? That's how this works! It's called career trajectory. Recruiting? He can still point to a half dozen current nfl players. Didn't win the big game? James Madison had a stud defense, Richmond dline was impressive, and the qb from nova was special. Were we favored in any of those? He also won several big time playoff games. 2009 alone was legendary.

Hauck isn't perfect but he's proven. The argument about new blood is valid. But bobby can ball and a highly motivated, ready to prove his success wasn't a fluke, pissed off hauck is the coach I want. Go griz

I am with you "great post" :thumb:
The only thing to add to your comment is he also brought the Swagger !!

 

[griz4life1]

He also brought the Swogger ... Josh Swogger, right?

 

[jcu27]

Also UNLV is Division 1. Don't know if you knew that.

Apples to Oranges. You compare a team and a coach to their peers.

Yeah..... no.

OK. Put School of Mines in the Mountain West and you get an 0-12 team. Put UNLV in the RMAC and they are D2 national champs. So....yeah. You compare a team and coach based on who they play with similar size schools, talent, and coaching.

No. BH was successful at Montana(FCS). Unsuccessful at UNLV(higher division). Stitt is barely successful in D2. But he's going to come to Montana and be the greatest thing ever? Because he has an offensive mind and its hard to recruit smart athletes..?? Ok so he's an OC. And he's obviously not a good recruiter because there are plenty of great student athletes. I'm not sold on him at all. Would be a terrible hire imo. OC at best. Maybe assistant head coach to but that's stretching it.

 

[Griz Man]

The good news from where I'm sitting is that we have 3 candidates I'd like: Hauck, Pease, or Stitt. I was turned off by Pease getting fired at Florida but now believe that his lack of success there was due mostly to injuries. You can nitpick at any of these guys, but they are solid in my book. I believe they increase in risk as you go down the list, but the upside potential arguably also increases in terms of the potential for a more innovative offense. I can understand the concerns about Stitt's ability to recruit, but if he's a good coach (and I believe he is), I think the recruiting will fall into place.

 

[bigkid]

Apples to Oranges. You compare a team and a coach to their peers.

Yeah..... no.

OK. Put School of Mines in the Mountain West and you get an 0-12 team. Put UNLV in the RMAC and they are D2 national champs. So....yeah. You compare a team and coach based on who they play with similar size schools, talent, and coaching.

No. BH was successful at Montana(FCS). Unsuccessful at UNLV(higher division). Stitt is barely successful in D2. But he's going to come to Montana and be the greatest thing ever? Because he has an offensive mind and its hard to recruit smart athletes..?? Ok so he's an OC. And he's obviously not a good recruiter because there are plenty of great student athletes. I'm not sold on him at all. Would be a terrible hire imo. OC at best. Maybe assistant head coach to but that's stretching it.

Totally agree...at this point we don't need a coach who would be a work in progress. To many unknowns for me. We went through 3 years of mediocre football(Delaney did a fantastic job) but we don't need to go through another year or two of head coaching learning curves.

 

[Griz Man]

Apples to Oranges. You compare a team and a coach to their peers.

Yeah..... no.

OK. Put School of Mines in the Mountain West and you get an 0-12 team. Put UNLV in the RMAC and they are D2 national champs. So....yeah. You compare a team and coach based on who they play with similar size schools, talent, and coaching.

No. BH was successful at Montana(FCS). Unsuccessful at UNLV(higher division). Stitt is barely successful in D2. But he's going to come to Montana and be the greatest thing ever? Because he has an offensive mind and its hard to recruit smart athletes..?? Ok so he's an OC. And he's obviously not a good recruiter because there are plenty of great student athletes.

I agree Stitt is risky, but I'd still take him due to the following holes in your argument:
-Stitt was 10-2 last season and took a program that hadn't won conference since 1958 to 2 conference titles and has made them a perennial contender for conference. That is not "barely successful".
-The fact that no other coach has won a conf. title at Mines since 1958 speaks volumes about how that college is different than even Stanford and others mentioned. There is NO major at Mines that doesn't involve math at the level of calculus or higher. So if you go to Stanford it's going to be rigorous, of course, but if you're not a math person you can choose English or Sociology. What good will your scholarship at Mines be if you fizzled out at Algebra 2? Don't know if you noticed, but there aren't a ton of football players really good at calculus...

 

[TCCGRIZ]

He also brought the Swogger ... Josh Swogger, right?

You had to bring that up didn't you. :lol:

 

[mtgrizrule]

Right now, of the 3 main names that have surfaced, my personal preferences in are Pease, Hauck, then Stitt. Pease and Hauck are almost even for me. I favor Pease slightly because I have more faith in his offense, yet still have a well rounded team with solid special teams and defense as well. Yet a lot of me also feels Hauck would be better this time.

As for Stitt, I don't like the inconsistent records with his teams, and not a lot of playoff appearances. I just question if GRIZ NATION would be going from 1 roller coaster ride to another (from Delaney to Stitt). Also, nobody has been able to give an indicator what kind of defense would Stitt bring here. That, really leaves me to question if the GRIZ defense would fall back to being like most of the other Big Sky Conference Efenses, their is no D.

I also am confident we retain most our recruits with Hauck or Pease. I don't know enough about Stitt to have as much piece of mind in that regard.

I am hoping we hear of other quality names the next few days. Regardless of who is in the running, I am pretty sure next week is when we will all know who the new coach will be.

 

[Raider]

Here is how Montana has fared since Hauck left for UNLV: (from UNLV post)

2010: 7-4/5-3 ... missed FCS playoffs for the first time since 1992 .... Lost to Montana State

2011: 11-3/7-1 ... advanced to FCS semi-finals ...... Both the Big Sky Title and Semi-Finals appearance were vacated in 2013 due to NCAA infractions committed by the HC at the time...The final 5 wins of the season were also forfeited, including the win over Montana State

2012: 5-6/3-5 .... 26 year streak of winning seasons was broken..... Lost to Montana State

2013: 10-3/6-2 .. Beat Montana State.... finished 3rd in Big Sky, and lost at home to Coastal Carolina in 1st round of FCS playoffs ...

2014: 2nd round playoffs.

Montana has lost 18 games in the last 4 years + 6 games of this year. They lost 17 games in 7 years under Hauck.... The loss total goes up to 23 when counting the 5 games forfeited in 2011

Montana won the Big Sky 1 time the past 4 years, and that title had to be forfeited
Montana has made the playoffs only 2 of the last 4 years, and the 2011 playoff appearance had to be vacated
Montana has 11 losses in the Big Sky since Hauck left.... total goes up to 13 when counting the forfeited wins over Weber State and MSU in 2011.... Lost only 6 Big Sky games in 7 years under Hauck

Best post I have ever seen on e- griz. Ever.

 

[NLGrizFan]

Bobby will bring DOLA back. I'm in.

 

[grizindabox]

This clusterfawk of a coaching search just shows how far Montana has fallen. Prepare to be mediocre...

 

[CrunchGriz]

This clusterfawk of a coaching search just shows how far Montana has fallen. Prepare to be mediocre...

I'd like to know how you know exactly what "kind" of a coaching search has been done. If you're going by what's posted here on eGriz, I feel for ya, 'cuz here it's been reported variously that it's been everything from rolling dice to the Apollo moon landing.

Frankly, I don't think anyone here is completely privy to the extent of the search, unless one of these e-nom de plumes is KH in disguise.

My guess? No one here knows, so major-league spitballing has broken out, and we're all wearing mountains of little wads of paper every time we manage to tear our eyes away from the board.

Patience is graphene thin here on eGriz, especially on this topic....

 

[Triwest]

This clusterfawk of a coaching search just shows how far Montana has fallen. Prepare to be mediocre...

I'd like to know how you know exactly what "kind" of a coaching search has been done. If you're going by what's posted here on eGriz, I feel for ya, 'cuz here it's been reported variously that it's been everything from rolling dice to the Apollo moon landing.

Frankly, I don't think anyone here is completely privy to the extent of the search, unless one of these e-nom de plumes is KH in disguise.

My guess? No one here knows, so major-league spitballing has broken out, and we're all wearing mountains of little wads of paper every time we manage to tear our eyes away from the board.

Patience is graphene thin here on eGriz, especially on this topic....

Also why would those truly involved with the search be sharing information with those not involved in the process. Yes it does occasionally happen but leaking information that should not be leaked is a major breach of trust and those that get the information and then spread it are no better. I have fired employees in my companies for such things. Just saying these type of actions mess the hiring process up big time.