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who seriously thinks JJ would stay/play???

we should have the outcome of the trial and JJ's future in a month or so, thinking a trial of about a week beginning on Feb 8th.........my guess is that he will stay
 
tourist said:
I only know what I've read on the net. Been gone a long time, and don't know anyone involved in this matter. If acquitted, I hope he sues the shit out of anyone remotely related to this case, anyone posting anything remotely negative, the Missoulian in general, Engstrom, the University, the BOR, and the State of Montana. But, then again, I'm a really vindictive bastard.
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I am sure one of the "lawyers" on the site will correct me, but what exactly could he sue the university for? Taking a rape claim seriously? As unpalatable as it might be to some of you, but most normal people expect a rape claim to be taken seriously.

Or is he supposed to sue for the expulsion that doesn't seem to have actually happened? It seems like he would have a tough case to even prove any injury. Even if they could prove that the honor court was rigged it doesn't seem to me that they have done him any real injury.

There are clear rules that he can't be on scholarship while being charged with a felony, so I can't see where he has any recourse there.

And suing the Missoulian? Well, lets just remember that slander is very difficult to prove, and in this case I certainly think there have been some articles in the Missoulian that have shown some bias, but that is way different from being slanderous. I think Jane Doe would have a better chance of suing some egriz posters than Johnson would have suing for slander.
 
Sportin' Life said:
tourist said:
I only know what I've read on the net. Been gone a long time, and don't know anyone involved in this matter. If acquitted, I hope he sues the shit out of anyone remotely related to this case, anyone posting anything remotely negative, the Missoulian in general, Engstrom, the University, the BOR, and the State of Montana. But, then again, I'm a really vindictive bastard.
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I am sure one of the "lawyers" on the site will correct me, but what exactly could he sue the university for? Taking a rape claim seriously? As unpalatable as it might be to some of you, but most normal people expect a rape claim to be taken seriously.

Or is he supposed to sue for the expulsion that doesn't seem to have actually happened? It seems like he would have a tough case to even prove any injury. Even if they could prove that the honor court was rigged it doesn't seem to me that they have done him any real injury.

There are clear rules that he can't be on scholarship while being charged with a felony, so I can't see where he has any recourse there.

And suing the Missoulian? Well, lets just remember that slander is very difficult to prove, and in this case I certainly think there have been some articles in the Missoulian that have shown some bias, but that is way different from being slanderous. I think Jane Doe would have a better chance of suing some egriz posters than Johnson would have suing for slander.
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A lawsuit against the university would likely be for damages and an injunction to permit Johnson to remain in school and play football. The claims would include violation of civil, constitutional and contractual rights, due to a biased, flawed and inadequate investigation, failure to provide to due process (required by the US Constitution), and failure to follow university procedures (this is the contractual aspect). A key aspect of the claim would be the university's reduction of the standard from clear and convincing to preponderance during the course of the proceeding. A federal judge has already said the university's action were lacking an unfair.

Most people expect the university to conduct fair investigations, provide due process, follow their own rules and procedures, and comply the federal and state constitutions.

You may want to work on gaining a better understanding of the law, the constitution and the facts of this situation.
 
Washgrizfan1 said:
Sportin' Life said:
tourist said:
I only know what I've read on the net. Been gone a long time, and don't know anyone involved in this matter. If acquitted, I hope he sues the shit out of anyone remotely related to this case, anyone posting anything remotely negative, the Missoulian in general, Engstrom, the University, the BOR, and the State of Montana. But, then again, I'm a really vindictive bastard.
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I am sure one of the "lawyers" on the site will correct me, but what exactly could he sue the university for? Taking a rape claim seriously? As unpalatable as it might be to some of you, but most normal people expect a rape claim to be taken seriously.

Or is he supposed to sue for the expulsion that doesn't seem to have actually happened? It seems like he would have a tough case to even prove any injury. Even if they could prove that the honor court was rigged it doesn't seem to me that they have done him any real injury.

There are clear rules that he can't be on scholarship while being charged with a felony, so I can't see where he has any recourse there.

And suing the Missoulian? Well, lets just remember that slander is very difficult to prove, and in this case I certainly think there have been some articles in the Missoulian that have shown some bias, but that is way different from being slanderous. I think Jane Doe would have a better chance of suing some egriz posters than Johnson would have suing for slander.
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A lawsuit against the university would likely be for damages and an injunction to permit Johnson to remain in school and play football. The claims would include violation of civil, constitutional and contractual rights, due to a biased, flawed and inadequate investigation, failure to provide to due process (required by the US Constitution), and failure to follow university procedures (this is the contractual aspect). A key aspect of the claim would be the university's reduction of the standard from clear and convincing to preponderance during the course of the proceeding. A federal judge has already said the university's action were lacking an unfair.

Most people expect the university to conduct fair investigations, provide due process, follow their own rules and procedures, and comply the federal and state constitutions.

You may want to work on gaining a better understanding of the law, the constitution and the facts of this situation.
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Oh please, he's probably going to deer lodge in march. If he somehow gets off he will tuck his tail and get the hell out of dodge.
 
tourist said:
I only know what I've read on the net. Been gone a long time, and don't know anyone involved in this matter. If acquitted, I hope he sues the shit out of anyone remotely related to this case, anyone posting anything remotely negative, the Missoulian in general, Engstrom, the University, the BOR, and the State of Montana. But, then again, I'm a really vindictive bastard.
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can't believe how much I agree with you...
 
Bear Axed said:
NorthEndZoneDan said:
Bear Axed said:
NorthEndZoneDan said:
The pool of 400 has been contacted. Did anyone from egriz get an invite?
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yep

:flash:
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Thats awesome! We expect full reports!
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Maybe? I'm just not sure if that would hurt more than help any other impartial (or otherwise) agenda I may have going in?
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sorry Bear Axed but I really dont believe that any attorney would allow any of us from egriz any where near the final cut. buts thats just me, I''m not an attorney but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once :D
 
If the U doesn't let JJ play and wins his case. I will become a MT Teck fan or App fan.
 
Justice delayed is justice denied...In effect JJ has already been handed an indeterminate sentence without ever having had the benefit of a fair trial by his peers. Some folks sent to Stalinist gulags did less time than JJ has already "served"...As for Engstrom, the issue of his fitness for the UM presidency has became a secondary concern to the bigger point. He has zero credibility. Considering leadership ability, he is as impotent as a harem eunuch. If this were England the House of Commons would have voted no confidence long ago and sent his sorry butt packing... However, this is Montana we're talking about where the wheels of justice turn with the rapidity of a snail in snowshoes.
 
Really, Tip it's been a relatively quick turnaround from the time charges were filed (July 31) to the trial date in early February. JJ didn't waive his right to a speedy trial, so things should move quickly but six months is pretty quick turn around for a felony case going to trial.
 
Ursa Major said:
JJ does not equal Solzhenitsyn.

Jesus Christ, get a f***[*] grip man!
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Feb 4, 2012: The alleged offense
July 26, 2012: Felony count sexual intercourse is filed four months later by County DA (while Jeopardy theme plays in the background)
January 22, 2013: Culling thru 400 prospective jurors to begin...soon...

We're at one year and counting. Justice doesn't fly. it crawls.
 
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