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who seriously thinks JJ would stay/play???
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grizfan95 said:
Its only been rehashed by a few fans, diehard's who really care and wear tinfoil hats, and a few attempts by the Missoulian to keep it alive. Few see a huge plot. Really and truly there is larger body of folks in Montana (and even Missoula) who could care less and are tired of hearing about it by now and whos worlds don't revolve around Grizzly football OR the University. In a very few years NOBODY will care (regardless of the outcome)
I agree 100% with you. If he goes somewhere new, the process has run its course. They don't have to wait for an answer, thus, they get bored after a week or so of talking about it. Here, a new article, nuance, whatever, pops up just as the previous convorsation started to die down.grizfan95 said:
tnt said:
u r the one that started that rape crap! where r the convictions jessica? u claim 9 griz raped that woman even after u knew NO FOOTBALL PLAYERS WERE INVOLED.she her self told u! u in my book r a liar nothing u say is the real truth!u get ur one rape if that make the griz the rape capital check around liar :liar:
uppy: U CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! can't wait to read what u have to say after this is over. u and ur place of work have invested a lot of money trying to convict jj in the paper!
UMGriz75
Well-known member
Getting that opinion was the best thing Dave Paoli ever did.Washgrizfan1 said:
Judge Christensen's comments on UM "procedures" was devastating, because it opened up Engstrom's odd little world to public scrutiny. Engstrom had put into place a totally "PC" honor code system; it is a frankly offensive set of procedures wherein the accusing party has to prove nothing and the defending party can offer nothing.
It is outrageous, but it is also part of a DOJ mandate under the current administration which has thoroughly politicized University procedures. Engstrom went along. And it bothers me that anyone with a fair and honest conscience would do that.
Indeed, it reminds me too much of Duke President Richard Brodhead who was willing to hang his own students if it promoted his own authenticity within a very small group of academics as a liberal academic administrator fully in tune with the Frankfurt School of Social Justice.
Seriously, Engstrom put into place a system designed to convict. A Soviet Show Trial has more protections and due process.
It is outrageous, and it is one of several actions of that man that leads me to conclude that he is not presidential or leadership material and that the best interest of the students is the last thing on his mind.
He certainly did not expect a strong, public opinion on it from a sitting Federal Judge.
That Opinion exposed Engstrom and took a lot of underground grumbling and didn't just make it public, it also gave it an extraordinary credibility. It rocked the BOR.
Something like that goes to the ultimate question of judgment, and not just administrative judgment, but the quality of the person exercising that judgment.
After the Saudi incident -- when Engstrom couldn't seem to initiate anything even though it is the single incident involving multiple victims as well as violence -- the University of Montana began to appear to the public as a place where students were subject to an irrational President; raw sexual violence against other students would not be punished if it involved sacred questions of multicultural diversity; but honest students involved in difficult situations would quickly and efficiently be condemned without any fairness at all. Firing two good and decent men was the last straw, and a resounding 6% enrollment drop, unprecedented in peacetime, shows that parents and students agreed that Royce Engstrom's University of Montana is not where they wanted to be.
For a University President to set up a veritable Kangaroo Court, have the audacity to call it an "honor court," a bizarre Orwellian "Newspeak," and pretend that he is operating in a fair and impartial manner was more than Judge Christensen could take.
And everyone who is anyone took notice.
And some of the rest of us did too.
granitegriz
Well-known member
+1 with 75.
I honestly don't get the "PC" reference. What does this have to do with "political correctness?" A flawed administrative procedure is a flawed administrative procedure, isn't it? Why bring politics into it?
People really think that students stayed away because the football coach was fired?
granitegriz
Well-known member
Sportin, who said students stayed away because the coach was fired? AllWeather--are you that stupid? PC can mean going with public outcry or perceived public outcry. It can mean narrow minded...doesn't have to exactly mean traditional politics. 75 didn't really talk about politics, just denounced RE. Please show me where 75 did?
granite,
UMGriz75 said:
granitegriz said:
I know. I'm not nearly as brilliant as you are.
UMGriz75 said:
granitegriz
Well-known member
75 is not solely arguing that the coach being fired caused the drop. He is saying RE's overall approach is causing the drop. The firing of the coach is just one of things pointed out by 75. Whether you agree or not with 75, at least his post should be read accurately.
