who seriously thinks JJ would stay/play???

[Grizzoola]

Really? I need to spell it out for you? By "did it" I meant "left the toilet seat down". Sorry that wasn't clear enough.

Again, if he(JJ) is aquitted, it does not mean that he(JJ) is not guilty of raping this woman. It(the verdict) means he(JJ) is either not guilty of raping this woman or the jury did not think it(rape) was proven beyond a resonable doubt. They(the jury) may have felt that he(JJ) is guitly, but that he was not proven guilty or it(rape). No smack here(this post), it(the situation) just becomes tricky with the court of public opinion. I could see the um using that(my reasoning in the last line) as a means of expelling JJ. The honor court has a lesser burden than the court system.

Man, you are really swimming around in a lot of semantics (note correct spelling). You telling me that even if JJ is acquitted, he still could have raped her? BTW, why didn't you just say, "raped her," instead of "did it"? I know you are leaving some room for UM to expel JJ despite an acquittal. Perhaps you are correct. And, I'm not saying you want JJ to be expelled, but are just stating a possibility.

So, ok, JJ is acquitted by the court. Let's leave that behind. Now, it gets to what UM is going to do re: JJ's status w/ it. All I can say is where does UM get so puritanical, that it expels a student for doing nothing more than what goes on at UM between boys & girls all the time? Oh, I see: It's the publicity, Stupid. So, every other UM student does the same thing JJ did, but JJ made headlines, therefore, EXPEL HIM! I could see that, UM as PR focused as it is. Reputation above all, you know.

If by "he" you mean JJ, then we are talking about the same person, but I'm not sure you are talking about JJ.

Who else are we talking about? Show me where "he" is a pronoun w/o a clear reference.

 

[GrizPony]

It is a fact that JJ has stated not only that he would, but that he will come back and play after found not guilty. I can see why many would be bitter and leave but I believe JJ sees it as his "revenge" to all the nay sayers and people who declared him guilty before trial. And rest assured that when he is found not guilty and it is politically correct to do so, Mick is 100% in JJ's corner and will make that clear at the proper time.

That’s all my surveillance has revealed.

This is the truth. Also, the Honor Court proceedings are continuing as we speak.

 

[nzone]

Also, the Honor Court proceedings are continuing as we speak.

Could you please elaborate on what those proceedings are? I hope it has to do with protocols.

 

[Sundown]

This thread is going to get naners...

This sh*t is bananas...

Best part of this thread.

 

[mcg]

it would be a poor decision to leave town and hinder your ability to work with your attorneys on a case that might put you in prison for years? that alone would keep him in missoula.

This. Also, his attorneys may have told him it would "look bad" to a jury if he left town and transfered.

My one thought here, is aquitted and not guilty are not the same thing. At this point none of us will ever know if JJ did it or not. If he is found not guilty and aquitted, it means that he was not proven guilty "beyond a resonable doubt". Not that his attorneys proved he didn't do it. I suppose they may possibly prove he did not do it, but I would think if that were possible, he wouldn't be going to trial.

That all said, the university has to consider the court of public opinion in this case, and what already happened with whatever went down with him getting expelled. After this case, if he if aquitted, we will see what transpires there. Unless there is a court injuction seeing him back to school, I see him transfering after the spring semester and starting over new somewhere. Just my opinion.

I don't know what you mean by "did it." Did what? Have sex w/ her? No question. Consensual? THAT'S the question, not your ambiguous "did it." At least this is my understanding of the case. If he is acquitted OF THE CHARGES, it means he did nothing more than have consensual sex, or believed it was consensual at the time. That's the issue, here: Was the sex consensual, in the sense that he knew it was or was not?

Again, if he is acquitted, it means that he did no different than any other male UM student with a girl. How can UM expel him for doing nothing more than what goes on all the time between male & female students? If he is expelled after all this, it has to be for reasons the UM thinks valid, despite his doing nothing more than any other male student.

This case has been sliced and diced to death on this board, already, & I'm not into that. I also stand to be corrected, respectfully, but this is how I see the situation.

Really? I need to spell it out for you? By "did it" I meant "left the toilet seat down". Sorry that wasn't clear enough.

Again, if he(JJ) is aquitted, it does not mean that he(JJ) is not guilty of raping this woman. It(the verdict) means he(JJ) is either not guilty of raping this woman or the jury did not think it(rape) was proven beyond a resonable doubt. They(the jury) may have felt that he(JJ) is guitly, but that he was not proven guilty or it(rape). No smack here(this post), it(the situation) just becomes tricky with the court of public opinion. I could see the um using that(my reasoning in the last line) as a means of expelling JJ. The honor court has a lesser burden than the court system.

If by "he" you mean JJ, then we are talking about the same person, but I'm not sure you are talking about JJ. :lol:

I want to say that I am not saying JJ is or is not guilty in any shape or form. Just pointing out symantics.

It's pretty simple really, if JJ is acquitted it means he is not guilty of raping the alleged victim. That's how it works.

 

[first11]

I sat almost next to Jordan at the cat/griz game and was able to talk with him. Very polite and a well spoken kid, which ever way it goes I wish him the best. I really hope his young life will be able to rebound and he will be able to fulfill his dreams. Before someone gets all bent, who am I to say he is innocent or guilty, just hate to see young lives wasted.

the witch hunt ends with JJ's acquittal in late winter...betting he will play if the Griz/UM are intelligent enough to welcome him back.........

 

[mcg]

I sat almost next to Jordan at the cat/griz game and was able to talk with him. Very polite and a well spoken kid, which ever way it goes I wish him the best. I really hope his young life will be able to rebound and he will be able to fulfill his dreams. Before someone gets all bent, who am I to say he is innocent or guilty, just hate to see young lives wasted.

the witch hunt ends with JJ's acquittal in late winter...betting he will play if the Griz/UM are intelligent enough to welcome him back.........

I think there may be a lot of over-opimisim on Egriz with regard to JJ's case. If the alleged victim can credibly say "I said no" on the witness stand and if the jury is willing to listen, JJ may be on his way to the proverbial hoosegow.

 

[msuhunter]

I sat almost next to Jordan at the cat/griz game and was able to talk with him. Very polite and a well spoken kid, which ever way it goes I wish him the best. I really hope his young life will be able to rebound and he will be able to fulfill his dreams. Before someone gets all bent, who am I to say he is innocent or guilty, just hate to see young lives wasted.

the witch hunt ends with JJ's acquittal in late winter...betting he will play if the Griz/UM are intelligent enough to welcome him back.........

I think there may be a lot of over-opimisim on Egriz with regard to JJ's case. If the alleged victim can credibly say "I said no" on the witness stand and if the jury is willing to listen, JJ may be on his way to the proverbial hoosegow.

This. Another thing a lot of you are forgetting is that there is a very good chance a case like this ends with a hung jury. For a guilty verdict, it needs to be unanimous. The same is true for an acquittal. If there are hold-outs on both sides and the jury is hung ... the trial process can start all over again if the prosecution so wishes. There could be a summer/fall trial ... doubt he'd be playing football then ...

 

[cclarkblues]

The way things are going, JJ will likely get acquitted and then transfer to MSU.

 

[EverettGriz]

I think a hung jury is a very possible outcome in a case like this.

However, unless it's something like 11-1, 10-2 to convict, I cannot see the government spending the money to re-try what would then essentially be a he-said/she-said case.

 

[msuhunter]

I think a hung jury is a very possible outcome in a case like this.

However, unless it's something like 11-1, 10-2 to convict, I cannot see the government spending the money to re-try what would then essentially be a he-said/she-said case.

I would agree with that in a run of the mill case, but this one is a little more high profile. I think if its 50% or higher to convict they give it another shot. The DA has political implications to think about. Any lower than that and I think you're right... they won't waste time or money for a 2nd shot at it.

 

[maroonandsilver]

You people do know that JJ has been to the Honor Court 3 times, for 3 separate offenses, don't you? Admittedly the first 2 were pretty petty, but at some point shit sticks to the wall.

 

[Geddes]

The way things are going, JJ will likely get acquitted and then transfer to MSU.

Ha!

 

[nzone]

This is a he said\she said case.

I think a hung jury is a very possible outcome in a case like this.

However, unless it's something like 11-1, 10-2 to convict, I cannot see the government spending the money to re-try what would then essentially be a he-said/she-said case.

 

[tnt]

I think a hung jury is a very possible outcome in a case like this.

However, unless it's something like 11-1, 10-2 to convict, I cannot see the government spending the money to re-try what would then essentially be a he-said/she-said case.

I would agree with that in a run of the mill case, but this one is a little more high profile. I think if its 50% or higher to convict they give it another shot. The DA has political implications to think about. Any lower than that and I think you're right... they won't waste time or money for a 2nd shot at it.

I doubt FVV has any worries about "political implications" He has already announced this is his last term. He isn't being pressured by anyone to do anything (not that he ever really has) If he was, he would never have told the DOJ to take a flying F***

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Should you guys really be using terms like "hung jury" in a rape case?

Insensitive bastards...........think of the children





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[catdaddy7]

... Speaking of juries, Selection of such will be quite a chore. Pretty tough
to find someone who doesn't have pre-determined feelings about this.

 

[Cats2506]

... Speaking of juries, Selection of such will be quite a chore. Pretty tough
to find someone who doesn't have pre-determined feelings about this.

I dont have any pre-determined feeling about it :shock:

 

[grizcountry420]

... Speaking of juries, Selection of such will be quite a chore. Pretty tough
to find someone who doesn't have pre-determined feelings about this.

I dont have any pre-determined feeling about it :shock:

400 people are in the jury pool, that they get to choose from..

 

[wbtfg]

Should you guys really be using terms like "hung jury" in a rape case?

Safe to say no one from this board will be summoned.