Where's all of the Tinks haters right now?

[Swillbury]

Any of you that think Coach Tinkle is a bad coach is straight RETARDED. He could out coach any of you any day of the week. Not only is Wayne of the better guys on this planet, but he is a hell of a coach. The team is the problem, not the coach.

(Dont throw me that, its the coachs job to do this and do that, Tinkle is doing everything he can and the players didnt respond the first half of the season. Doesnt matter now because they are starting to respond and getting hot at the right time.)

 

[AG2]

The Hauck of the hardwood is not a good coach.

 

[mtgrizrule]

constructive criticism is not hating, nor is it out of place when it comes to employees, family members, sports teams, or others with whom you are emotionally involved. it was clear to this fan last december that this team had real talent up front while its guards were average at best, and that to play a three-guard lineup was a recipe for mediocrity while playing three talented bigs gave you a chance for success. it was obvious too that staudacher was not a three, and that playing three bigs let him move back to his more natural postion at two. finally, one could see that in his very limited minutes at santa clara, zach graves was both athletic and tenacious, and gave hope of being the sort of perimiter defender we needed. whether we had a point guard was a dubious proposition, since both martin and rundles acted like twos, and elgin-taylor was an unknown quantity.

we did go big--finally--and not only has it turned our season around, last night it revealed a potential star in sharp. staudacher has thrived at the two, and elgin-taylor has grown into a credible point. why we're not playing zach graves i still don't know, but then neither does mtgrizrule, hardly a griz hater he. why, even the notorious gb1 agreed with me at the time on several of my points, and i fervently hope that his recent asbsence does not mean this caused him a heart attack.

Regarding Graves, a potential recruit could be the reason why. This kid would be quite the get for the GRIZ. We definitely need a scholarship for him. Is it possible Graves is considering leaving after this year? I have no idea and have not heared that from anyone. Everyonelse on this roster appear to be part of the future except Graves and possibly Vanderjagt right now. Think as you will, but I will not be surprised if the GRIZ are pursuing Kaigler hard. He must be damn good if Connecticut is looking at him. :thumb:

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2008 Player Commitments - Montana
NAME POS HT WT HOMETOWN RANK GRADE STATUS NCAA SCHOOL
Shawn Stockton PG 6-1 190 Spokane, WA 40 Signed Montana
Mathias Ward PF 6-7 215 Gig Harbor, WA 40 Signed Montana
2008 Players Considering - Montana
NAME POS HT WT HOMETOWN RANK GRADE STATUS NCAA SCHOOL
Kelly Kaigler SG 6-2 San Jose, CA SG #164 65 Undeclared View Schools

PG NR Kelly Kaigler (Oak Grove HS)San Jose, CA 6-1/160 Albany NY, Bucknell, Connecticut, Holy Cross, Montana, Montana State, Portland, Portland State, Santa Barbara, TCU

 

[robomomo]

constructive criticism is not hating, nor is it out of place when it comes to employees, family members, sports teams, or others with whom you are emotionally involved. it was clear to this fan last december that this team had real talent up front while its guards were average at best, and that to play a three-guard lineup was a recipe for mediocrity while playing three talented bigs gave you a chance for success. it was obvious too that staudacher was not a three, and that playing three bigs let him move back to his more natural postion at two. finally, one could see that in his very limited minutes at santa clara, zach graves was both athletic and tenacious, and gave hope of being the sort of perimiter defender we needed. whether we had a point guard was a dubious proposition, since both martin and rundles acted like twos, and elgin-taylor was an unknown quantity.

we did go big--finally--and not only has it turned our season around, last night it revealed a potential star in sharp. staudacher has thrived at the two, and elgin-taylor has grown into a credible point. why we're not playing zach graves i still don't know, but then neither does mtgrizrule, hardly a griz hater he. why, even the notorious gb1 agreed with me at the time on several of my points, and i fervently hope that his recent asbsence does not mean this caused him a heart attack.

yes, what he said. I still believe tinks is not HC material and that this team should be going into the BSC tourney as the 1 seed and a 14 seed projection in the dance.

 

[williamspo]

I look at the overall direction of the program. There were player personnel issues Wayne's first year. This year would have been a different situation if he didn't lose two key players before the season started.

How does next year look? Very good, thank you. Of course, we will miss Matt Martin and Andrew Strait, but overall, the talent level should go up several notches. I don't see any team weaknesses.

Selvig, Taylor, and McGillis will be substantial adds.

Plus, CET and Sharpie are emerging as very nice players.

And, I think of Qvale and Vanderjagt as having matured to the point where they will be a big part of the picture next year.

I am quite pleased with what Wayne has done with the program. Won't next year's team be the most talented team we have ever had, top to bottom? I think Wayne deserves a lot of credit for that. Plus, he has the team playing confidently on the bottom half of this year's schedule.

Not bad for a year and a half as the head guy. I say the program is in the best shape it has ever been in.

 

[BWahlberg]

Agreed,

CET seems to improve every game, now that he's fitting in well with the team his command on the floor and demand for high energy play has boosted everyone's game, IMO.

The losses this year are going to be tough, Strait and Martin. Andrew is one of the best Power Forwards we've had in a long time, and Matt is one of the best 3 point shooters this team has had.

Next years starting team (presumably) should be an exciting group:

1 - CET / Graves
2 - Rundels / Stauds
3 - McGillis / Hurley
4 - Hasquet / Selvig
5 - Qvale / Vanderjagt

 

[mtgrizrule]

Agreed,

CET seems to improve every game, now that he's fitting in well with the team his command on the floor and demand for high energy play has boosted everyone's game, IMO.

The losses this year are going to be tough, Strait and Martin. Andrew is one of the best Power Forwards we've had in a long time, and Matt is one of the best 3 point shooters this team has had.

Next years starting team (presumably) should be an exciting group:

1 - CET / Graves
2 - Rundels / Stauds
3 - McGillis / Hurley
4 - Hasquet / Selvig
5 - Qvale / Vanderjagt

Remax, never ever thought you would leave out a player. Where is the EWU xfr, Taylor and Sharp?

Here is how I see it

1. CET/Taylor/Rundles/Graves ( i think he will be gone though)
2. Staudacher/Rundles/Taylor/Spurgettis
3. McGillis/Sharp/Taylor/Hurley
4. Hasquet/Sharp/Selvig
5. Qvale/Vanderjagt/Selvig/Hasquet (not often here)

Redshirts: Ward/Stockton/ and whoever takes Graves place if he moves on.

Taylor will be huge for the GRIZ. He will see time at the 1,2, and 3. I will not be surprised to see McGillis at the 2 now and then. Also Selvig is capable of seeing minutes at 3 positions, SF,PF, and C.

Next years lineup will definitely be deep and versatile. They will be able to play any kind of lineup, anywhere, anytime. IT will be great.

 

[BWahlberg]

Doh! Didn't mean to leave Sharp out, my bad. I do expect guys like Taylor to contribute next year as well.

 

[ilovethecats]

Any of you that think Coach Tinkle is a bad coach is straight RETARDED. He could out coach any of you any day of the week. Not only is Wayne of the better guys on this planet, but he is a hell of a coach. The team is the problem, not the coach.

(Dont throw me that, its the coachs job to do this and do that, Tinkle is doing everything he can and the players didnt respond the first half of the season. Doesnt matter now because they are starting to respond and getting hot at the right time.)

swill, it's very clear that you have never played basketball, and have certainly never been involved in coaching. tinkle is a very nice guy. i had the opportunity to work with him a little bit and despite being a cat fan, he treated me with a ton of respect. that said, it was obvious to me then, and is even more so now that he isn't a head coach. you need more than x's and o's to be the head, and tinks doesn't have those intangibles. i was honestly very surprised that he got the head job last year. all i can say is that it was a nice gesture from um to give him a shot for all of his dedication through the years. i don't see him being there more than a year or so, but will quickly be scooped up as an assistant because he strived in that position. it's good to remember that great assistants don't always translate into great head coaches. :twocents:

 

[grizsupporter]

i believe tinkle got a bit out coached this game. granted the players missed alot of outside shots but they were open looks and i think the nau coach knew this game would be physical and played 12 players to our 7 (plus a few minutes by dave). they were fresher and could afford to be really aggressive because there were alot more players to pick up fouls. i would have liked to see greg,and graves play just to give our guys a rest.we have to use bench because i think we get a bit tired here and there and it makes us a bit weak defensively and we may be slowing down our offense just to get a breather. i believe tinks could be a good coach but he's slow to make changes and not as decisive as i think a great coach is but he's still fairly new.

 

[robomomo]

next year will be the make or break for Tinks. With more talent and depth will come higher expectations. I would think a BSC championship would be a given, with 20 wins and a 13-14 seed in the dance. another 500 season and I hope people will take their blinders off and stop making excuses.

On a brighter note, Blaine Taylor was coaching ODU on ESPN2 (or U, cant remember) and they highlighted Montana coaching pedigree for a good 3 minutes.

 

[robomomo]

Any of you that think Coach Tinkle is a bad coach is straight RETARDED. He could out coach any of you any day of the week. Not only is Wayne of the better guys on this planet, but he is a hell of a coach. The team is the problem, not the coach.

(Dont throw me that, its the coachs job to do this and do that, Tinkle is doing everything he can and the players didnt respond the first half of the season. Doesnt matter now because they are starting to respond and getting hot at the right time.)

I wish I could be as easily impressed by mediocrity.

 

[GrizWhiz]

Agreed,

CET seems to improve every game, now that he's fitting in well with the team his command on the floor and demand for high energy play has boosted everyone's game, IMO.

The losses this year are going to be tough, Strait and Martin. Andrew is one of the best Power Forwards we've had in a long time, and Matt is one of the best 3 point shooters this team has had.

Next years starting team (presumably) should be an exciting group:

1 - CET / Graves
2 - Rundels / Stauds
3 - McGillis / Hurley
4 - Hasquet / Selvig
5 - Qvale / Vanderjagt

Remax, never ever thought you would leave out a player. Where is the EWU xfr, Taylor and Sharp?

Here is how I see it

1. CET/Taylor/Rundles/Graves ( i think he will be gone though)
2. Staudacher/Rundles/Taylor/Spurgettis
3. McGillis/Sharp/Taylor/Hurley
4. Hasquet/Sharp/Selvig
5. Qvale/Vanderjagt/Selvig/Hasquet (not often here)

Redshirts: Ward/Stockton/ and whoever takes Graves place if he moves on.

Taylor will be huge for the GRIZ. He will see time at the 1,2, and 3. I will not be surprised to see McGillis at the 2 now and then. Also Selvig is capable of seeing minutes at 3 positions, SF,PF, and C.

Next years lineup will definitely be deep and versatile. They will be able to play any kind of lineup, anywhere, anytime. IT will be great.

Sharp will not play the 3. It is more likely that McGillis will get some time at the 4 and Selvig some time at the 3. I hope we can redshirt all of our true freshman. We look to be stocked well enough to do so.

 

[WILD_CAT]

Any of you that think Coach Tinkle is a bad coach is straight RETARDED. He could out coach any of you any day of the week. Not only is Wayne of the better guys on this planet, but he is a hell of a coach. The team is the problem, not the coach.

(Dont throw me that, its the coachs job to do this and do that, Tinkle is doing everything he can and the players didnt respond the first half of the season. Doesnt matter now because they are starting to respond and getting hot at the right time.)

swill, it's very clear that you have never played basketball, and have certainly never been involved in coaching. tinkle is a very nice guy. i had the opportunity to work with him a little bit and despite being a cat fan, he treated me with a ton of respect. that said, it was obvious to me then, and is even more so now that he isn't a head coach. you need more than x's and o's to be the head, and tinks doesn't have those intangibles. i was honestly very surprised that he got the head job last year. all i can say is that it was a nice gesture from um to give him a shot for all of his dedication through the years. i don't see him being there more than a year or so, but will quickly be scooped up as an assistant because he strived in that position. it's good to remember that great assistants don't always translate into great head coaches. :twocents:

I agree as well to the above. He is a very nice guy! However, there is a reason why the Griz lose big leads, short leads, rarely come back from being down at the end of games (unless shooting unconscious from outside). They flat out get outcoached near the end of games (plus he needs to real in his guards at the end of games so they make SMART plays and not just launch it up w/o a touch!). I just don't see them playing smart bball later in the games.

 

[BelierPeaux]

I don't think it matters what people think of him now. He has a 3-year contract and he has pretty much just under a year and a half left to get the program back on track (not that it is far off track.) If he can finish decent this year and then have a strong year next year I think we see him for another three years as well. It's really his job to lose in the next year or so. I can't imagine him getting much backing if he has a similar year to this one next year, though.

 

[GrizWhiz]

Any of you that think Coach Tinkle is a bad coach is straight RETARDED. He could out coach any of you any day of the week. Not only is Wayne of the better guys on this planet, but he is a hell of a coach. The team is the problem, not the coach.

(Dont throw me that, its the coachs job to do this and do that, Tinkle is doing everything he can and the players didnt respond the first half of the season. Doesnt matter now because they are starting to respond and getting hot at the right time.)

swill, it's very clear that you have never played basketball, and have certainly never been involved in coaching. tinkle is a very nice guy. i had the opportunity to work with him a little bit and despite being a cat fan, he treated me with a ton of respect. that said, it was obvious to me then, and is even more so now that he isn't a head coach. you need more than x's and o's to be the head, and tinks doesn't have those intangibles. i was honestly very surprised that he got the head job last year. all i can say is that it was a nice gesture from um to give him a shot for all of his dedication through the years. i don't see him being there more than a year or so, but will quickly be scooped up as an assistant because he strived in that position. it's good to remember that great assistants don't always translate into great head coaches. :twocents:

I agree as well to the above. He is a very nice guy! However, there is a reason why the Griz lose big leads, short leads, rarely come back from being down at the end of games (unless shooting unconscious from outside). They flat out get outcoached near the end of games (plus he needs to real in his guards at the end of games so they make SMART plays and not just launch it up w/o a touch!). I just don't see them playing smart bball later in the games.

How many games have you seen? I don't think it is as simple as being outcoached at the end of games. This team has has had to make due without a real 3 all year. This hurts in many ways. Next year, barring an injury, this shouldn't be the case. How well Wayne does next season will tell the story as far as I am am concerned. :twocents:

 

[WILD_CAT]

Any of you that think Coach Tinkle is a bad coach is straight RETARDED. He could out coach any of you any day of the week. Not only is Wayne of the better guys on this planet, but he is a hell of a coach. The team is the problem, not the coach.

(Dont throw me that, its the coachs job to do this and do that, Tinkle is doing everything he can and the players didnt respond the first half of the season. Doesnt matter now because they are starting to respond and getting hot at the right time.)

swill, it's very clear that you have never played basketball, and have certainly never been involved in coaching. tinkle is a very nice guy. i had the opportunity to work with him a little bit and despite being a cat fan, he treated me with a ton of respect. that said, it was obvious to me then, and is even more so now that he isn't a head coach. you need more than x's and o's to be the head, and tinks doesn't have those intangibles. i was honestly very surprised that he got the head job last year. all i can say is that it was a nice gesture from um to give him a shot for all of his dedication through the years. i don't see him being there more than a year or so, but will quickly be scooped up as an assistant because he strived in that position. it's good to remember that great assistants don't always translate into great head coaches. :twocents:

I agree as well to the above. He is a very nice guy! However, there is a reason why the Griz lose big leads, short leads, rarely come back from being down at the end of games (unless shooting unconscious from outside). They flat out get outcoached near the end of games (plus he needs to real in his guards at the end of games so they make SMART plays and not just launch it up w/o a touch!). I just don't see them playing smart bball later in the games.

How many games have you seen? I don't think it is as simple as being outcoached at the end of games. This team has has had to make due without a real 3 all year. This hurts in many ways. Next year, barring an injury, this shouldn't be the case. How well Wayne does next season will tell the story as far as I am am concerned. :twocents:

True, I agree they need a another 3. However with the size they have inside the guard play at the end of games (games they don't shoot lights out) is killing them at the end of games. They play really balanced for a majority of the game and then the guards think it is HERO time and just completely take them out of what has been working for them (inside/outside). It's not just the Griz, I have seen this with many other teams before (including the Cats). The Griz should pound it inside/slash and good things will happen. If they take that away, then kick it outside etc. The Griz should be LIVING on the line with the frontcourt they have.

Also, I don't think it is all COACHING, but Tinkle needs to CRACK THE WHIP a little to get them to play consistent/smart basketball at the end of games. Every possesion counts and the Griz seem to screw up a lot of end game possesions like it is a pickup game. Just need to get some POLISH at the end and they will be tough and that goes back to coaching. They definately have the players to be doing better this year.

 

[grizsupporter]

the griz have some of the best players in the big sky and should be able to win more than they have. tinks may know x's and o's but i don't believe he's really connected to his players. there are great differences of how he treats them in the players eyes and though the players get along well they don't have a coach that they believe in.

 

[BWahlberg]

the griz have some of the best players in the big sky and should be able to win more than they have. tinks may know x's and o's but i don't believe he's really connected to his players. there are great differences of how he treats them in the players eyes and though the players get along well they don't have a coach that they believe in.

Out of curiosity, how would you say he's not connected to his players? Also how do you know they don't believe in him? I don't really seem to get that watching the games.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Dude, we don't have "some of the best players in the Big Sky." Andrew Strait is right up there, but nobody else even comes close.