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When will the griz get back to where we used to be?

Copper Griz said:
UMGriz75 said:
Copper Griz said:
The definition of insanity - look it up 75. Good God man. Your tirade is well past the "getting old phase." I can confidently say that every person on the board has figured out that you hate Stitt. Mission accomplished. Maybe move on to another topic you can fixate on. Possibly check into treatment for OCD while you are at it.
You seem to be fixated ....

Don't read the comments. It's that easy.
Take your own advice. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
In others words, your buttercup eyes hurt, so shut up, right? This thread is a good example of your fixation. I noted a published study on recruiting success among first year coaches. Another poster noted that changing coaches does not, on the average, lead to success. It raises the interesting question as to why the observed "great success" by new coaches in recruiting does nothing for subsequent team success. You manage to derail the thread by raising the nasty issue that some observers are less than thrilled with the current staff. Why don't you mind your own business, for starters? I'll post what I care to post, and you can post what you care to post, and as long as its about FCS football, perhaps the world can live in peace; you with your opinions, and I don't have to go from thread to thread complaining behind each of your posts about your fixation on defending Stitt, calling you names and suggesting you need treatment. Oh, oops, I haven't done that have I? Who's fixated here?

Those kinds of questions are part of football. You wish apparently to live in ignorance and so you're best shot is "shut up." As they say, "ignorance is bliss." This program will not get better responding to your pleas for ignorance.
 
UMGriz75 said:
Copper Griz said:
UMGriz75 said:
Copper Griz said:
The definition of insanity - look it up 75. Good God man. Your tirade is well past the "getting old phase." I can confidently say that every person on the board has figured out that you hate Stitt. Mission accomplished. Maybe move on to another topic you can fixate on. Possibly check into treatment for OCD while you are at it.
You seem to be fixated ....

Don't read the comments. It's that easy.
Take your own advice. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
In others words, your buttercup eyes hurt, so shut up, right? This thread is a good example of your fixation. I noted a published study on recruiting success among first year coaches. Another poster noted that changing coaches does not, on the average, lead to success. It raises the interesting question as to why the observed "great success" by new coaches in recruiting does nothing for subsequent team success. You manage to derail the thread by raising the nasty issue that some observers are less than thrilled with the current staff. Why don't you mind your own business, for starters? I'll post what I care to post, and you can post what you care to post, and as long as its about FCS football, perhaps the world can live in peace; you with your opinions, and I don't have to go from thread to thread complaining behind each of your posts about your fixation on defending Stitt, calling you names and suggesting you need treatment. Oh, oops, I haven't done that have I? Who's fixated here?

Those kinds of questions are part of football. You wish apparently to live in ignorance and so you're best shot is "shut up." As they say, "ignorance is bliss." This program will not get better responding to your pleas for ignorance.

Man you are bitter and angry. Your posts speak volumes. I am willing to bet there is no person more interested and vested in winning - than (wait for it) Bob Stitt. I am also confident he is one hell of a lot more qualified than you are to recruit, coach and adjust his style as needed. You can babble incessantly for the rest of eternity for all I care. I will do as the majority of the board does. Ignore your rants. There you go big fella. Take a breath now and relax. You will be ok.
 
Copper Griz said:
Man you are bitter and angry. Your posts speak volumes. I am willing to bet there is no person more interested and vested in winning - than (wait for it) Bob Stitt.
You've got your opinion, I've got mine. You betray a frustration at a 3-5 season, a humiliating loss to the Cats, and a team that didn't appear to have much enthusiasm to play ... according to the coach himself. None of which people like you thought possible and seem to be now in denial about: he has a vested interesting in winning! Thanks for the tip! Now we all know. Bob Stitt would like to win! I don't know how egriz survives without you.

Jayzus, you are a basket case if you believe yourself.

In any case, I don't stalk your posts venting about your opinions, gratuitously, bitterly, angrily and personally denouncing you on thread after thread.

You have different needs, obviously.
 
Copper Griz said:
UMGriz75 said:
Copper Griz said:
UMGriz75 said:
You seem to be fixated ....

Don't read the comments. It's that easy.
Take your own advice. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
In others words, your buttercup eyes hurt, so shut up, right? This thread is a good example of your fixation. I noted a published study on recruiting success among first year coaches. Another poster noted that changing coaches does not, on the average, lead to success. It raises the interesting question as to why the observed "great success" by new coaches in recruiting does nothing for subsequent team success. You manage to derail the thread by raising the nasty issue that some observers are less than thrilled with the current staff. Why don't you mind your own business, for starters? I'll post what I care to post, and you can post what you care to post, and as long as its about FCS football, perhaps the world can live in peace; you with your opinions, and I don't have to go from thread to thread complaining behind each of your posts about your fixation on defending Stitt, calling you names and suggesting you need treatment. Oh, oops, I haven't done that have I? Who's fixated here?

Those kinds of questions are part of football. You wish apparently to live in ignorance and so you're best shot is "shut up." As they say, "ignorance is bliss." This program will not get better responding to your pleas for ignorance.

Man you are bitter and angry. Your posts speak volumes. I am willing to bet there is no person more interested and vested in winning - than (wait for it) Bob Stitt. I am also confident he is one hell of a lot more qualified than you are to recruit, coach and adjust his style as needed. You can babble incessantly for the rest of eternity for all I care. I will do as the majority of the board does. Ignore your rants. There you go big fella. Take a breath now and relax. You will be ok.

He does?
When?
 
fanofzoo said:
Copper Griz said:
UMGriz75 said:
Copper Griz said:
Take your own advice. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
In others words, your buttercup eyes hurt, so shut up, right? This thread is a good example of your fixation. I noted a published study on recruiting success among first year coaches. Another poster noted that changing coaches does not, on the average, lead to success. It raises the interesting question as to why the observed "great success" by new coaches in recruiting does nothing for subsequent team success. You manage to derail the thread by raising the nasty issue that some observers are less than thrilled with the current staff. Why don't you mind your own business, for starters? I'll post what I care to post, and you can post what you care to post, and as long as its about FCS football, perhaps the world can live in peace; you with your opinions, and I don't have to go from thread to thread complaining behind each of your posts about your fixation on defending Stitt, calling you names and suggesting you need treatment. Oh, oops, I haven't done that have I? Who's fixated here?

Those kinds of questions are part of football. You wish apparently to live in ignorance and so you're best shot is "shut up." As they say, "ignorance is bliss." This program will not get better responding to your pleas for ignorance.

Man you are bitter and angry. Your posts speak volumes. I am willing to bet there is no person more interested and vested in winning - than (wait for it) Bob Stitt. I am also confident he is one hell of a lot more qualified than you are to recruit, coach and adjust his style as needed. You can babble incessantly for the rest of eternity for all I care. I will do as the majority of the board does. Ignore your rants. There you go big fella. Take a breath now and relax. You will be ok.

He does?
When?

I would say his win last year against NDSU proved he could coach, but if you need more evidence I guess you could look at this time at CSM. Other D1 coaches have respect for his offensive philosophies. Yes, D1 coaches not egriz posters. He made a major adjustment before the season started. He got rid of Gregorak. Right or wrong, it was definitely an adjustment. I guess I am a realist. 4 coaches in 10 years and a program that is going to take some time to rebuild. He deserves the chance to put his system and his players in place. The o-line was the weakest the Griz have had since - forever. In case nobody noticed - the QB play was less than stellar. The defense,could have been better given the talent possibly. I don't like the fact that the Griz ended the season on a total downward spiral. Was that the kids, coaching, both? Who knows, but the program is still two years out before they have a realistic shot at a deep playoff run. Haslam knows that.
 
Copper Griz said:
I would say his win last year against NDSU proved he could coach, but if you need more evidence I guess you could look at this time at CSM. Other D1 coaches have respect for his offensive philosophies. Yes, D1 coaches not egriz posters. He made a major adjustment before the season started. He got rid of Gregorak. Right or wrong, it was definitely an adjustment. I guess I am a realist. ... Haslam knows that.
Well, for someone who has been so wrong so often, your self-congratulation at being a "realist" is ... interesting. On the other hand, I always enjoy the insights about "what Haslam knows."
 
UMGriz75 said:
Copper Griz said:
I would say his win last year against NDSU proved he could coach, but if you need more evidence I guess you could look at this time at CSM. Other D1 coaches have respect for his offensive philosophies. Yes, D1 coaches not egriz posters. He made a major adjustment before the season started. He got rid of Gregorak. Right or wrong, it was definitely an adjustment. I guess I am a realist. ... Haslam knows that.
Well, for someone who has been so wrong so often, your self-congratulation at being a "realist" is ... interesting. On the other hand, I always enjoy the insights about "what Haslam knows."

Insight. You using that word is hilarious. :lol: :lol: :lol: 6,741 posts and you want to talk about who has been right more. :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
Copper Griz said:
UMGriz75 said:
Copper Griz said:
I would say his win last year against NDSU proved he could coach, but if you need more evidence I guess you could look at this time at CSM. Other D1 coaches have respect for his offensive philosophies. Yes, D1 coaches not egriz posters. He made a major adjustment before the season started. He got rid of Gregorak. Right or wrong, it was definitely an adjustment. I guess I am a realist. ... Haslam knows that.
Well, for someone who has been so wrong so often, your self-congratulation at being a "realist" is ... interesting. On the other hand, I always enjoy the insights about "what Haslam knows."
Insight. You using that word is hilarious. :lol: :lol: :lol: 6,741 posts and you want to talk about who has been right more. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Did Haslam tell you that, or did you have to read his mind on that one too? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Incidentally, most of those posts were run up regarding Jordan Johnson's pre-trial and trial experience. Yes, I was right.

Keep us all posted about "what Haslam knows!"
 
UMGriz75 said:
Copper Griz said:
UMGriz75 said:
Copper Griz said:
I would say his win last year against NDSU proved he could coach, but if you need more evidence I guess you could look at this time at CSM. Other D1 coaches have respect for his offensive philosophies. Yes, D1 coaches not egriz posters. He made a major adjustment before the season started. He got rid of Gregorak. Right or wrong, it was definitely an adjustment. I guess I am a realist. ... Haslam knows that.
Well, for someone who has been so wrong so often, your self-congratulation at being a "realist" is ... interesting. On the other hand, I always enjoy the insights about "what Haslam knows."
Insight. You using that word is hilarious. :lol: :lol: :lol: 6,741 posts and you want to talk about who has been right more. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Did Haslam tell you that, or did you have to read his mind on that one too? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Incidentally, most of those posts were run up regarding Jordan Johnson's pre-trial and trial experience. Yes, I was right.

Keep us all posted about "what Haslam knows!"

Well, I am sure he does not know as much as you. You are a genius :thumb: 75 is genius of the fan board. Genius of the game. Genius coach. So smart. Your arm must hurt from patting yourself on the back big fella
 
Copper Griz said:
UMGriz75 said:
Copper Griz said:
UMGriz75 said:
Well, for someone who has been so wrong so often, your self-congratulation at being a "realist" is ... interesting. On the other hand, I always enjoy the insights about "what Haslam knows."
Insight. You using that word is hilarious. :lol: :lol: :lol: 6,741 posts and you want to talk about who has been right more. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Did Haslam tell you that, or did you have to read his mind on that one too? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Incidentally, most of those posts were run up regarding Jordan Johnson's pre-trial and trial experience. Yes, I was right.

Keep us all posted about "what Haslam knows!"
Well, I am sure he does not know as much as you. You are a genius :thumb: 75 is genius of the fan board. Genius of the game. Genius coach. So smart. Your arm must hurt from patting yourself on the back big fella
Did you get that from Haslam? Well, tell him thanks, but, in reality, the task of questioning all the self-appointed geniuses here does not permit much time to actually be one.

What else does "Haslam know" today?
 
UMGriz75 said:
Copper Griz said:
UMGriz75 said:
Copper Griz said:
Insight. You using that word is hilarious. :lol: :lol: :lol: 6,741 posts and you want to talk about who has been right more. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Did Haslam tell you that, or did you have to read his mind on that one too? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Incidentally, most of those posts were run up regarding Jordan Johnson's pre-trial and trial experience. Yes, I was right.

Keep us all posted about "what Haslam knows!"
Well, I am sure he does not know as much as you. You are a genius :thumb: 75 is genius of the fan board. Genius of the game. Genius coach. So smart. Your arm must hurt from patting yourself on the back big fella
Did you get that from Haslam? Well, tell him thanks, but, in reality, the task of questioning all the self-appointed geniuses here does not permit much time to actually be one.

What else does "Haslam know" today?

Don't be so sad little buddy. Someone will take you seriously one day.
 
Copper Griz said:
UMGriz75 said:
Copper Griz said:
UMGriz75 said:
Did Haslam tell you that, or did you have to read his mind on that one too? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Incidentally, most of those posts were run up regarding Jordan Johnson's pre-trial and trial experience. Yes, I was right.

Keep us all posted about "what Haslam knows!"
Well, I am sure he does not know as much as you. You are a genius :thumb: 75 is genius of the fan board. Genius of the game. Genius coach. So smart. Your arm must hurt from patting yourself on the back big fella
Did you get that from Haslam? Well, tell him thanks, but, in reality, the task of questioning all the self-appointed geniuses here does not permit much time to actually be one.

What else does "Haslam know" today?
Don't be so sad little buddy. Someone will take you seriously one day.
I always appreciate the voice of what was obviously a long and painful "experience." :lol: We all can learn from you. It is obvious how you can know with such certainty what "Haslam knows." Keep us posted. It is very interesting to finally have someone posting who knows "what Haslam knows" and is willing to share it, instead of those secretive bastards who all know what he is thinking and selfishly keep it to themselves.

Have a great Christmas!
 
when sunshine is let back into the forum unfettered, and allowed to pollinate with squirrel in order to give rise to the best egriz threads ever.
 
Maybe stitt needs to see how bo pellini did it in two years. Did a good job of getting players and using the ones he inherited.
 
UMGriz75 said:
Copper Griz said:
UMGriz75 said:
Copper Griz said:
The definition of insanity - look it up 75. Good God man. Your tirade is well past the "getting old phase." I can confidently say that every person on the board has figured out that you hate Stitt. Mission accomplished. Maybe move on to another topic you can fixate on. Possibly check into treatment for OCD while you are at it.
You seem to be fixated ....

Don't read the comments. It's that easy.
Take your own advice. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
In others words, your buttercup eyes hurt, so shut up, right? This thread is a good example of your fixation. I noted a published study on recruiting success among first year coaches. Another poster noted that changing coaches does not, on the average, lead to success. It raises the interesting question as to why the observed "great success" by new coaches in recruiting does nothing for subsequent team success. You manage to derail the thread by raising the nasty issue that some observers are less than thrilled with the current staff. Why don't you mind your own business, for starters? I'll post what I care to post, and you can post what you care to post, and as long as its about FCS football, perhaps the world can live in peace; you with your opinions, and I don't have to go from thread to thread complaining behind each of your posts about your fixation on defending Stitt, calling you names and suggesting you need treatment. Oh, oops, I haven't done that have I? Who's fixated here?

Those kinds of questions are part of football. You wish apparently to live in ignorance and so you're best shot is "shut up." As they say, "ignorance is bliss." This program will not get better responding to your pleas for ignorance.
It is true, that your tirades against the present coach are tiresome and repetitive and not worth reading, for the most part. Whether you or anyone else likes it, Bob Stitt is the coach, and, yes, he is learning but his record is above average considering that UM has been a coaches merry go round, been hit overly hard for minor violations that limited the numbers of players, and the total failure of the administration to protect the reputation of UM. Stitt is doing all the right things. Your harangues do not become your level of achievement. Let it go. The sky is not falling.
Be the bigger man.
 
GrizLA said:
Stitt is doing all the right things.
Like losing to UNC and 1-6 MSU? There is much in the regression of the UM football performance that deserves criticism. For any realist. Well coached teams improve during the season; this one went the other direction.
 
So what's the score of this thread?

Who's winning? Are the Shorties on top??....or is it that Long-Winded Fella...?



:?:
 
I did not read much of this thread, being I saw it went the wrong way quickly.
It would be nice if a few certain posters would respect this board enough to quit derailing most the threads. Quit the damn bickering and arguing.

Why do you think so many quality posters have stopped contributing to this board? Hell, many don't care to read most the threads these days, just knowing it will turn into a huge derailment.

Oh yeah, the subject of the thread. When will the GRIZ get back to where we used to be? I'd love for it to be 2017. Realistically speaking, I feel 2018 will be the year when Stitt's recruits have matured as a group to live up their physical gifts, as a group. I feel they will be too young an too inexperienced in 2017 for that to happen.
 
GrizLA said:
It is true, that your tirades against the present coach are tiresome and repetitive and not worth reading, for the most part.
This thread is a good example. I pointed to an interesting study that shows that new coaches have substantial recruiting success their first year. Another poster pointed to a study that shows that in the longer run, new coaches don't generally change program directions. It was an interesting connection that great recruiting success apparently doesn't make coaches and programs "better" as an inherent result. You may not be interested in "football" or sports in that manner, but I am.

And notice who and how it became a "tirade."

The difference between you and me is that I don't gratuitously follow you around snarking on your every post and repeatedly comment on a "jock sniffing" agenda.

See how that works?

The fact is, as usual, forthright commentary got derailed by one of the trolls who just CAN'T STAND that someone has a different opinion than they do and, in this case, he was so derailed by an inherent frustration, anger, and resentment, that he felt compelled to derail the thread and make it a personal attack, in the process, becoming so unhinged that he finally was compelled to claim that he knows what "Haslam knows!" about all of this as though in permanent communion with the Athletic Director. Yes. That's "unhinged."

Look at that thread topic. We were having a discussion about how "first year" is statistically a very good one for recruiting for first year coaches in general. I made the following comment about Stitt, the only one on the entire thread, and it was on the point of the commentary and thread topic.
Stitt was given a lot of credit for his recruiting when in fact, statistically, it had more to do with the fact that he was the new coach than that he was "Bob Stitt." Now, in recruiting he is burdened with the fact that he is "Bob Stitt," the new-coach smell is gone, and a disastrous last half season is out there ahead of him.
All true.

CopperGriz goes nuts because the thread topic offered a short paragraph summarizing the connection between two published studies, the thread topic, and reality at UM. This is what GrizNation has become: a bunch of buttercups sounding more and more like Bobcat Nation with rampant hyperbole about recruits, "Next Year!" and above all, "Please do not discuss the actual coaching." Rob Ash is the best coach we've ever had! National Champions!

As with Engstrom, the facts are not pretty here. Losing a game at Fargo because we used the same center tap every play, and the newspapers play up the chortling by NDSU players about how stupid our offense was by repeatedly using the same signal. Losing to the Cats when the opposing Coach can point to the fact that our line coach doesn't know that the two point stance opens up the attack, and makes a very public deal out of the apparent fact that our DII staff has never played at the D1 level, and continually shows it. Losing to the bottom team, a first year coach, a teenage quarterback in his first season, in WaGriz isn't a fluke; it's a symptom. Trying to pretend it isn't is your problem, not mine.

I don't like seeing the players play without "Fire," as their biggest critic, the Coach, publicly whines. I don't like public attacks or innuendo by coaches about the team, players, former players, or former staff. I know exactly what it means when players come out "flat," and play "flat" and don't get fired up whether they are ahead or behind. And do so, game after game, including the most important ones.

You can like all of that. You can claim it's what makes you a fan. You can take the players hostage to support for this coach if it makes you feel superior somehow. But don't condescend and lecture me on what I see and what I can post, on a thread exactly on point. I want to see the kids WANT to play for the University of Montana Grizzlies. I do not ever again "want" to see what you defend, this last half season.

What did you think you would read on a thread entitled, "When will the griz get back to where we used to be?" Stitt gets high pay to coach a successful team. He's a big boy. If this kind of record and this kind of a disastrous year does not invite scrutiny and introspection, then its because of a fan base that by tolerating and protecting failure, invites it.
 
If our players are FCS level players and play the game without enthusiasm, it would seem to me they aren't happy. Why aren't they happy? Comments, please.
 
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