When will the griz beat the Cats again?

[AZGrizFan]

Ferguson used to post here...he was run off because he was wrong soooo friggin often it was predictable. His posts were worse than you-know-who. He might be an alum, but he doesn't get to speak for all of us.

Things will change over time, but the cream will always rise to the top...the truth is UM is and always has been the cream of Montana's educational system. It's just a matter of time...

I don't think so. I'm not saying um might not see some growth and resurgence over the next couple decades but zero chance they'll ever catch MSU again. It's geography, leadership, and $$. MSU is now the premier flagship institution in the state and has been for some time, and MSU will continue to grow.

That is a hell of a thing to say. :roll: :roll:

 

[The.Real.2506]

Chambers has another year of eligibility left, Our #3 is out for the season, fall camp injury, our #4 is looking pretty good and has quite a bit of playing time this year.

Do you really think chambers is coming back next year?

Yup, He had a hard time for a few years, was close to hanging it up, decided to give it one more shot with the coach he really liked and trusted. he found a culture that he fit in and likes, I would be very surprised if he opted to try another place.

 

[poorgriz]

Do you really think chambers is coming back next year?

Yup, He had a hard time for a few years, was close to hanging it up, decided to give it one more shot with the coach he really liked and trusted. he found a culture that he fit in and likes, I would be very surprised if he opted to try another place.

Absolutely I would be shocked if he left. He loves being at MSU, loves the team and is 100% a key part of the offense.

 

[poorgriz]

I don't think so. I'm not saying um might not see some growth and resurgence over the next couple decades but zero chance they'll ever catch MSU again. It's geography, leadership, and $$. MSU is now the premier flagship institution in the state and has been for some time, and MSU will continue to grow.

That is a hell of a thing to say. :roll: :roll:

I just don't see how Montana State University would start seeing any type of decline or step back in progress, certainly not enrollment any time soon, too much momentum. I guess EVER might have been too strong a word, but I don't see how um would surpass MSU in the next twenty years or so, and I don't see a path to it even after than, unless um decides to switch gears and become something completely different than what it it now.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

If the Griz meet the Cats in Frisco, the Griz will beat the Cats. Otherwise, next season.

I’m genuinely curious.

What gives you any indication the defense will stop that offense? It didn’t happen one time.

Even if there are no turnovers, we still lose by at least 14.

Blind optimism you bitch. Drink up. It’s thanksgiving and playoff time

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Do you really think chambers is coming back next year?

Yup, He had a hard time for a few years, was close to hanging it up, decided to give it one more shot with the coach he really liked and trusted. he found a culture that he fit in and likes, I would be very surprised if he opted to try another place.

I know a team that would take him

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

That is a hell of a thing to say. :roll: :roll:

I just don't see how Montana State University would start seeing any type of decline or step back in progress, certainly not enrollment any time soon, too much momentum. I guess EVER might have been too strong a word, but I don't see how um would surpass MSU in the next twenty years or so, and I don't see a path to it even after than, unless um decides to switch gears and become something completely different than what it it now.

I mean a decade ago we were out pacing you in enrollment and in new facilities being built. Then a bogus scandal happened and a book got written and our president and AD resigned and our enrollment plummeted. You act like this all happened organically but what really happened was really quite sudden and spontaneous and not something most places can plan for. Not to mention totally fraudulent.

Do you think msu keeps the same momentum when waded leaves for a bigger role or retires? Will you have the same leadership for another 20 years? You act like these things aren’t cyclical.

 

[mthoopsfan]

The Cats were never without their 2 very good QB's. Who are your best players on D. Were they ever out? I hope the Cats do well, but I would also have liked to see them get the butts kicked by NDSU again. As I've said, I realized as the season went on that the Cats were better than I had thought, and they crushed the Griz (which surprised me), but I'm thinking the Cat bubble is going to burst fairly soon.

Why do you think it will burst?

Because they aren't that good.

 

[mthoopsfan]

As soon as next year, like any program, the cats are 1-3 injuries from being dog shit. Cute you tried though.

Both QB’s missed games (although not at the same time).

I believe they had multiple OL that were out, one of which was a convert from DL that somehow managed to become an all-conference type player in less than a year at a new position (coaching!!), 4-5 RB’s hurt, starting LB hurt, starting safety out half the season.

At some point, injuries are just an excuse. Late in the season no team is healthy. Those other guys are all good enough to get scholarships here, all good enough for the coaches to recruit them here…if the depth isn’t good enough to withstand a few injuries, that’s an indictment on the coaches, imo.

Injuries are not just an excuse when the injured is an incredibly key player. No one thinks the Griz wouldn't have beaten SS, and probably Weber, with Johnson. Okay, maybe some football idiots do. Feel free to tell us the the Griz would not have beaten SS and Weber with Johnson, healthy.

 

[PTGrizzly]

Both QB’s missed games (although not at the same time).

I believe they had multiple OL that were out, one of which was a convert from DL that somehow managed to become an all-conference type player in less than a year at a new position (coaching!!), 4-5 RB’s hurt, starting LB hurt, starting safety out half the season.

At some point, injuries are just an excuse. Late in the season no team is healthy. Those other guys are all good enough to get scholarships here, all good enough for the coaches to recruit them here…if the depth isn’t good enough to withstand a few injuries, that’s an indictment on the coaches, imo.

Injuries are not just an excuse when the injured is an incredibly key player. No one thinks the Griz wouldn't have beaten SS, and probably Weber, with Johnson. Okay, maybe some football idiots do. Feel free to tell us the the Griz would not have beaten SS and Weber with Johnson, healthy.

To quote Bobby, “I don’t do hyperboles.”

Obviously that’s meant to be “hypotheticals”, but the point remains. I can only deal with what is, and what has been. Perhaps you have enough clairvoyance that you can see unknown futures, but I do not. You also thought the Griz would win last Saturday, and that obviously didn’t happen either.

 

[The.Real.2506]

Yup, He had a hard time for a few years, was close to hanging it up, decided to give it one more shot with the coach he really liked and trusted. he found a culture that he fit in and likes, I would be very surprised if he opted to try another place.

I know a team that would take him

I'm sure there are plenty, but would he take them. He is back together with the coach that he trusts and originally recruited him out of HS, a key part of an offense that is designed around his type of play. On a team with a culture that promotes selfless play where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

 

[The.Real.2506]

I just don't see how Montana State University would start seeing any type of decline or step back in progress, certainly not enrollment any time soon, too much momentum. I guess EVER might have been too strong a word, but I don't see how um would surpass MSU in the next twenty years or so, and I don't see a path to it even after than, unless um decides to switch gears and become something completely different than what it it now.

I mean a decade ago we were out pacing you in enrollment and in new facilities being built. Then a bogus scandal happened and a book got written and our president and AD resigned and our enrollment plummeted. You act like this all happened organically but what really happened was really quite sudden and spontaneous and not something most places can plan for. Not to mention totally fraudulent.

Do you think msu keeps the same momentum when waded leaves for a bigger role or retires? Will you have the same leadership for another 20 years? You act like these things aren’t cyclical.

I agree, things are cyclical, 15-20 years ago many including MSU fans were saying that MSU would never equal let alone surpass um in all of these areas. Yet here we are. It will swing back your way, I have no doubt, but it is not a zero sum came.

I think that UM needs a culture change, I just don't see anybody working on that right now. I'm not talking specifically about the athletic department more about the administration and the university as a whole.

The culture at MSU is 180° from where it was in the late 80's and early 90's, it took a generation to make that change and I don't see it going back soon. it will take that kind of effort for UM to return to its former prominence.

The first step is admitting that you have a problem. :thumb:

 

[The.Real.2506]

Both QB’s missed games (although not at the same time).

I believe they had multiple OL that were out, one of which was a convert from DL that somehow managed to become an all-conference type player in less than a year at a new position (coaching!!), 4-5 RB’s hurt, starting LB hurt, starting safety out half the season.

At some point, injuries are just an excuse. Late in the season no team is healthy. Those other guys are all good enough to get scholarships here, all good enough for the coaches to recruit them here…if the depth isn’t good enough to withstand a few injuries, that’s an indictment on the coaches, imo.

Injuries are not just an excuse when the injured is an incredibly key player. No one thinks the Griz wouldn't have beaten SS, and probably Weber, with Johnson. Okay, maybe some football idiots do. Feel free to tell us the the Griz would not have beaten SS and Weber with Johnson, healthy.

I can say that your an idiot if you don't think MSU would have curb stomped WSU if we had Ort, Chambers, 2xOL, 1xDL, Ifanse, Williams and a few others. But that didn't happen because that is part of this game, you have the players that are available that day.

 

[grizfnz]

No, it actually is pretty sad for our State. It really points out what a difference leadership makes.

It's the morons on the Board of Regents within that cluster fukk MUS. Not the institutional leadership. When kid can pay less in nonresident tuition at the not one, but two flagship institutions than they can in resident tuition in their home state, you have to look at your Regents. How many schools in the Washington University system? How many in Wyoming? Christ, they put a junior college in Missoula and Bozeman! Then, look at the activity fees in Montana!

I haven’t lived in Montana since 1996, so I’m out of the loop. Who appoints the BOR?

 

[ilovethecats]

It’s crazy that if the Griz would have beat the cats the sky would be falling in msu and Vigen would be on a two game losing streak to the Griz. Their program would have questions. Can Tommy win the big game????? Oh the horror.

Instead they won and now UM will never be the same and we will never beat the cats again and Bobby sucks at coaching and there’s more cranes in Bozo….yada Yada Yada Yada

The same cat fans crowing about Vigen and how we're never going to beat them ever again were making serious calls for him to be canned last year after they lost to us (after saying before the game that we were never going to beat them again :lol: ).

The hyperbole is insane.

I wasn't a fan wanting him canned, but I certainly had questions after that game. We had a pretty easy conference schedule and did what we should have done against those teams. But after the Brawl I certainly had questions if he understood the magnitude of that game. Obviously he answered a lot of questions with our playoff run. But had we lost Saturday I still would have had concerns about whether or not he understood the importance of winning Cat-Griz. Glad I don't have those concerns anymore.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

It's the morons on the Board of Regents within that cluster fukk MUS. Not the institutional leadership. When kid can pay less in nonresident tuition at the not one, but two flagship institutions than they can in resident tuition in their home state, you have to look at your Regents. How many schools in the Washington University system? How many in Wyoming? Christ, they put a junior college in Missoula and Bozeman! Then, look at the activity fees in Montana!

I haven’t lived in Montana since 1996, so I’m out of the loop. Who appoints the BOR?

https://mus.edu/board/#:~:text=The%20Board%20consists%20of%20seven,to%20seven%20year%20overlapping%20terms.

 

[grizfnz]

I haven’t lived in Montana since 1996, so I’m out of the loop. Who appoints the BOR?

https://mus.edu/board/#:~:text=The%20Board%20consists%20of%20seven,to%20seven%20year%20overlapping%20terms.

Looking at the make up of the BOR, it makes perfect sense. Perhaps that’s why the BOR didn’t take issue with a seated Governor donating 10 mil and getting a building named after him on the Bozeman campus. Seems like a great way to buy votes.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

This is the latest.
https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/montana_state_university/gianforte-family-foundation-donating-50-million-to-montana-state-university/article_95d8069f-e16f-55dd-bbf7-b26e4feac8f7.html

This was a few years ago;

https://www.mtpr.org/montana-news/2016-05-19/board-of-regents-considers-gianfortes-8-million-gift-to-msu

He's only one of many MSU donors. The Harvard grad who gave the nursing school 100 million out did Gianforte.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I don't think so. I'm not saying um might not see some growth and resurgence over the next couple decades but zero chance they'll ever catch MSU again. It's geography, leadership, and $$. MSU is now the premier flagship institution in the state and has been for some time, and MSU will continue to grow.

That is a hell of a thing to say. :roll: :roll:

Geography? Leadership changes. The $$ are very good for MSU. My impression is that they are pretty good for UM too, except for lack of tuition from declined enrollment. And sports change over time, with coach changes and player turnover.

 

[uofmman1122]

The same cat fans crowing about Vigen and how we're never going to beat them ever again were making serious calls for him to be canned last year after they lost to us (after saying before the game that we were never going to beat them again :lol: ).

The hyperbole is insane.

I wasn't a fan wanting him canned, but I certainly had questions after that game. We had a pretty easy conference schedule and did what we should have done against those teams. But after the Brawl I certainly had questions if he understood the magnitude of that game. Obviously he answered a lot of questions with our playoff run. But had we lost Saturday I still would have had concerns about whether or not he understood the importance of winning Cat-Griz. Glad I don't have those concerns anymore.

I think Vigen is pretty smart. He came in last year, changed some things up, wanted to be more balanced, and brought in a QB he thought could do that. You're right, you guys played a weaker schedule, and it masked a lot of the issues that were completely exposed by us. Then he said screw it and basically went back to doing almost exactly what Choate was doing. I'm not gonna say it saved his job or anything, but it made your team way more dangerous, and it showed on the field. And it was brilliant because he took something the players already knew how to do and trusted them to do it.

Leading up to the game last Saturday, one of the things I used to try and assuage my worries about the game was that Vigen didn't understand the rivalry, and would be more of an Ash type coach. It's clear as day that that's not the case.

But just because we're eating shit right now doesn't mean we don't have a shot next year. Hell, we thought we'd turned the tide last year. I think some of the other cat fans on this board should remember how they felt after that game. Some of you guys didn't show your faces until we were losing to JMU. :lol: