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When Will Montana Hire a Good Coach?

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Grizbacker1 said:
montanatarheel said:
I am a true new guy but have been reading Egriz for a while and i am not here to bash anybody. I loved the way Jordo played last year when he was one of 3-4 guys who played hard everynight but it seems he has a deep desire to be a 6'6" small forward this year.

have any of you basketball geniuses ever heard of the term "pussy whipped"? that has one hell of a lot more to do with Jordo's less than inspired play than anything Tinks has said or done.

WTF would that have to do with anything? Could be the dumbest post of the year. What's so uninspiring about his play? He is simply not utilized within the offense like he used to be. He still competes hard as hell. He had a pretty nasty bug for about 3 weeks (Dec. & Jan.)...didn't puss out or make excuses, continued to suit up and battle. Still can't believe anyone bangs on this guys effort...baffles me. You have very short memories.
Have any of you haters observed the improvements he's made on the defensive end of the court? He's managed to drastically improve on that end while not spending near as much time in foul trouble...but wait, it's all about the points and so-called shot selection, right? I don't give two sh--s about his 3pt.% this year. I do know that I'd rather see him pull the string on the long ball before anyone except Stauds.
 
Late addition, I can only speak for myself as a hardcore fan, basketball coach, and someone that has always backed Hasquet. I also know Jordan away from the court, and think very highly of him personally. So if you or anyone take my opinion of his play as bashing him, for that I am sorry. For me, it is more suggestive of things that can be done to help Jordan and "HIS" team(he is the veteran GRIZ, and has earned the right to have that player label, it is a complementary label by the way.)

What the "knowledgeable" basketball fans are saying are multiple things that may be coming off as bashing. No matter how things are being stated here, we all realize there is something wrong or not right with what we are observing on the court regarding Hasquet and/or coaching.

(1) Our other bigs are nowhere as effective inside the paint offensively as Hasquet. His supporting cast cannot do what he can do inside.

(2) Physically, at 6'9" , 245 lbs, strong, and good hops for a guy his size (not an anchor on the court) , skilled, etc. There is no reason for us not to utilize him inside when "his" team is struggling inside.

(3) The past 3 years we have all seen Hasquet be a matchup nightmare, and at times be outright dominating inside and outside. Size and Talent wise, there is not a reason he cannot be that nightmare again.

(4) He is struggling from the perimeter, and does not have the picture perfect shot Stauds does. (Stauds with reps can snap out of a slump much quicker.) Not only is his percentage low, but his misses this year have been "ugly". With that said, I did notice his perimeter shot is starting to look smooth again. He should have been 3 of 4 against EWU, one miss was down and came out, the other was an ugly 1 dribble forced shot. (when a perimeter shooter misses like that, it is a good sign. Make or miss, if his misses continue be like the EWU game, he may snap out of his slump soon.

(5) Basketball 101 regarding a struggling shooter, especially bigs. Get said player in areas for easier baskets. That can be done in many ways. (a) post up on smaller, weaker players. (b) 1 on 1 isolation or 2 on 2 clearouts (c) use screens to get open shots (in my opinion the least effective way, being it is hope that player suddenly starts hitting bombs, but usually adds to the problem further. (d) If struggling player does not do A through C, cut minutes to wake the player up for motivation.

(6) Being he is our most tenured GRIZ SR, coaches, players, and fans expect him to lead by example with the same attitude he had to become one of the top 10 players in GRIZ history.

(7) I understand the frustration in working your ass off in the paint (which he does), getting banged, and not seeing the ball. However, what I do not understand is, how could he grasp that concept as an underclassman, but not as a SR (something is wrong with that)? That alone adds to this equation more than it helps it. If that is the case, is it coaching, lack of team play, or lack of patience by a player? Which is it?

(8) As for Jordan's defense, I have complimented him many times this year for his defense. To be honest , I think our inside defense as a whole is much much better as a team this year. Also on that end of the court, Hasquet's rebounding holds up there since getting healthy again. I challenge anyone here to find one time I have ever bashed Jordans Defense this year, or any year.

My outlook with Jordan is similar to my outlook with Martin. Find out early if he has it outside or not. IF the shot looks ugly, that is time to say "Jordan, relax let's free you up inside. You can help us there tonight."

I for one feel if Hasquet would or could be utilized inside more, there is not a reason in the world he could not average 15 plus points, 8 boards, 2 plus assists, a block per game, and shoot 50% from the field. Jordan is blessed basketball wise to do most anything he wants in the BSC. We all know that and see it. For us to collective expect better from him is a compliment to Jordan. 5 years ago, very few here or anywhere gave him a chance to succeed as he has. He did that through determination, hard work, desire, and dedication. That same make up has us all believing he should not be struggling the way he is.

I for one believe by season's end Hasquet will be the main reason for the GRIZ playing in the Conference Championship. His play is the difference this year in this team being average or outstanding! Jordan, please prove me right like you have in the past.
 
I am not questioning Hasquets' energy or his playing hard because i know he does. I am frustrated however by his shot selection and tendancy to fade when he does get it in the post. He seemed to put himself in better position offensively last year and in turn averaged more PPG. This may have something to do with his rebounds being down as well because offensively he is fading or further away from the basket. I am not bashing Jordo i just dont think his shot ratio is good for him or the team at the moment. I'm ok with him shooting a couple GOOD 3's but he needs to work harder to establish himself inside earlier in the game to get going and make the basket bigger. i also have no problem with his defense or the teams for that matter that is not the problem they are leading the conference in defensive PPG. It seems they are a conistent post scorer away from making a big jump forward and Jordo is the most qualified for that role. We have shooters that will improve a consistent post threat. I do not think he is a selfish person or player and have the utmost respect for him i did not think he would do what he has done in his career. I truly believe he is the key to this team to finish strong and will get it going.
 
I think most us fans are on the same page regarding Jordan this year. The opinions on here certainly do not sound like bashing. I feel we all see the same thing. Here I thought for the longest time, my opinion on our inside game was just me. I guess not.
 
late_addition said:
Grizbacker1 said:
have any of you basketball geniuses ever heard of the term "pussy whipped"? that has one hell of a lot more to do with Jordo's less than inspired play than anything Tinks has said or done.

WTF would that have to do with anything? Could be the dumbest post of the year. What's so uninspiring about his play? He is simply not utilized within the offense like he used to be. He still competes hard as hell. He had a pretty nasty bug for about 3 weeks (Dec. & Jan.)...didn't puss out or make excuses, continued to suit up and battle. Still can't believe anyone bangs on this guys effort...baffles me. You have very short memories.
Have any of you haters observed the improvements he's made on the defensive end of the court? He's managed to drastically improve on that end while not spending near as much time in foul trouble...but wait, it's all about the points and so-called shot selection, right? I don't give two sh--s about his 3pt.% this year. I do know that I'd rather see him pull the string on the long ball before anyone except Stauds.

You obviously have never had a relationship with a woman or you might get it. Ask someone who actually has had a girlfriend to explain it to you....somehow i doubt you will understand. :roll:
 
I can't believe that anyone on this board doesn't understand the term pussy whipped which describes the greatest period of a young man's life!!
 
Grizbacker1 said:
late_addition said:
WTF would that have to do with anything? Could be the dumbest post of the year. What's so uninspiring about his play? He is simply not utilized within the offense like he used to be. He still competes hard as hell. He had a pretty nasty bug for about 3 weeks (Dec. & Jan.)...didn't puss out or make excuses, continued to suit up and battle. Still can't believe anyone bangs on this guys effort...baffles me. You have very short memories.
Have any of you haters observed the improvements he's made on the defensive end of the court? He's managed to drastically improve on that end while not spending near as much time in foul trouble...but wait, it's all about the points and so-called shot selection, right? I don't give two sh--s about his 3pt.% this year. I do know that I'd rather see him pull the string on the long ball before anyone except Stauds.

You obviously have never had a relationship with a woman or you might get it. Ask someone who actually has had a girlfriend to explain it to you....somehow i doubt you will understand. :roll:

I'm well aware of what it means, Tard. It's just that in my 12 years of coaching at the college level, and observing close to 500 college football players, and a couple dozen basketball players, I've only seen the power of the pussy inspire, aid, and drive an athlete to perform better....not worse. Get my drift? Can't imagine a college student/athlete would waste his/her time with anybody that would distract them from competing / performing. As I understand it, Jordan dates an outstanding Lady Griz volleyball player...that's where the "WTF does that have to do with it" comes from. Can I make it any clearer for you "Fanny Bandits"?
 
Grizbacker1 said:
late_addition said:
WTF would that have to do with anything? Could be the dumbest post of the year. What's so uninspiring about his play? He is simply not utilized within the offense like he used to be. He still competes hard as hell. He had a pretty nasty bug for about 3 weeks (Dec. & Jan.)...didn't puss out or make excuses, continued to suit up and battle. Still can't believe anyone bangs on this guys effort...baffles me. You have very short memories.
Have any of you haters observed the improvements he's made on the defensive end of the court? He's managed to drastically improve on that end while not spending near as much time in foul trouble...but wait, it's all about the points and so-called shot selection, right? I don't give two sh--s about his 3pt.% this year. I do know that I'd rather see him pull the string on the long ball before anyone except Stauds.



You obviously have never had a relationship with a woman or you might get it. Ask someone who actually has had a girlfriend to explain it to you....somehow i doubt you will understand. :roll:

Am I really getting questioned on my ability to get a woman by a guy (I'm making a big assumption here) who, by my math, is averaging 15 posts per day on EGRIZ? What a jocksniffer!!! Gimme a break!!! How furry is your left hand? Too funny.
 
montanatarheel said:
Like Tinkle or not i think he is in the wrong regarding Hasquet. He either

A. is not telling Jordo to play inside offensively, which means he cannot see what needs to be done to achieve the teams potential, or
B. will not bench him if he is not obeying, which i dont think tinks is capapable of doing due to his good guy nature

Hasquet is playing what looks like a very selfish brand of basketball much worse than dlouhy a couple years back. Tinks is the common denomanator here his teams lack discipline. if he is not doing what the team needs than sit him down til he will! Four 3's to three 2 point attempts is not what this team needs from its 6'9" 245 pound SR power forward.

It's Tinlle's Fault. He has no idea how to coach. He screwed up poor Jordo and given the chance he's going to screw up Selvig. Selvig has the chance to be an NBA second rounder, ala Fazekus, but Good Hair Tinkle will have him jacking up 3's next year. Grizbacker will say it's because he's uncoachable, but Mama Cass incarnate(grizbacker) will hopefully choke on his ham sandwich. Tinkle is awful, this program is better off without a coach!
 
robomomo said:
montanatarheel said:
Like Tinkle or not i think he is in the wrong regarding Hasquet. He either

A. is not telling Jordo to play inside offensively, which means he cannot see what needs to be done to achieve the teams potential, or
B. will not bench him if he is not obeying, which i dont think tinks is capapable of doing due to his good guy nature

Hasquet is playing what looks like a very selfish brand of basketball much worse than dlouhy a couple years back. Tinks is the common denomanator here his teams lack discipline. if he is not doing what the team needs than sit him down til he will! Four 3's to three 2 point attempts is not what this team needs from its 6'9" 245 pound SR power forward.

It's Tinlle's Fault. He has no idea how to coach. He screwed up poor Jordo and given the chance he's going to screw up Selvig. Selvig has the chance to be an NBA second rounder, ala Fazekus, but Good Hair Tinkle will have him jacking up 3's next year. Grizbacker will say it's because he's uncoachable, but Mama Cass incarnate(grizbacker) will hopefully choke on his ham sandwich. Tinkle is awful, this program is better off without a coach!

as usual, robo makes a total ass of himself, but we all knew it was just a matter of time. now run along and play in traffic asswipe.
 
robomomo said:
montanatarheel said:
Like Tinkle or not i think he is in the wrong regarding Hasquet. He either

A. is not telling Jordo to play inside offensively, which means he cannot see what needs to be done to achieve the teams potential, or
B. will not bench him if he is not obeying, which i dont think tinks is capapable of doing due to his good guy nature

Hasquet is playing what looks like a very selfish brand of basketball much worse than dlouhy a couple years back. Tinks is the common denomanator here his teams lack discipline. if he is not doing what the team needs than sit him down til he will! Four 3's to three 2 point attempts is not what this team needs from its 6'9" 245 pound SR power forward.

Selvig has the chance to be an NBA second rounder

:shock: :shock: :shock:
 
Knock it off kids.

Start a new thread if you want to discuss something beyond the size of each others packages.
 
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