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When is it going to leak out or get announced that Vigen is departing?

Bobcat99 said:
I'd personally rather have people still trying to be climb the ladder and be great than have people who have settled in all cozy like. Staying in one place too long can lead to contentment, and that's not a great thing for a coach to have imo. Plus, older fellas just don't have the energy to recruit like the young ones, and you had better believe that matters.
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Older coaches have more connections to get players with college experience out of the portal which also matters.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Of course, that is verifiable true, as a general rule. Not always the case, but more often than not. Do you know anything at all about football?
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I think I know more than an old has been, yeah.

I'm not denying that have a lot of experience can be a good thing. I do believe however, when you start to have too much experience, it can become a detriment.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Of course, that is verifiable true, as a general rule. Not always the case, but more often than not. Do you know anything at all about football?
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It doesn’t take knowing anything about football to have the common sense that being in a profession for a longer time period leads to more connections with others in said profession.
 
Bobcat99 said:
I think I know more than an old has been, yeah.

I'm not denying that have a lot of experience can be a good thing. I do believe however, when you start to have too much experience, it can become a detriment.
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I think Bobby is at least a decade away from having too much experience and Vigen 2 decades away. When you are more than 15 years younger than the US president, who albeit has bladder control issues, you are still young enough to coach football.
 
5280Griz said:
I think Bobby is at least a decade away from having too much experience and Vigen 2 decades away. When you are more than 15 years younger than the US president, who albeit has bladder control issues, you are still young enough to coach football.
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Sure, I'm not necessarily talking about coaching football as much as I am the other stuff. You know, recruiting and so on. Just takes a lot of time.
 
Bobcat99 said:
Sure, I'm not necessarily talking about coaching football as much as I am the other stuff. You know, recruiting and so on. Just takes a lot of time.
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I am not concerned with the recruiting when it comes to Bobby Hauck. I would like to get more in state guys than the Cats just for the sake of beating the Cats at everything but I think it has been supplemented well from the transfer portal. It looks like Vigen brought some guys in to Bozeman from the portal as well. The FCS program I see not embracing the portal and NIL is NDSU and I think it will be the falling of their program over the next few seasons.
 
5280Griz said:
It doesn’t take knowing anything about football to have the common sense that being in a profession for a longer time period leads to more connections with others in said profession.
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We have one of the most experienced staffs in all of the FCS. What has it gotten us besides consistency?

Sure, more connections are important, but if it doesn't lead to actual championships, then what's the point? We've got a solid sample size to look at now over the last 8 years. And don't get me wrong, I'm still very pleased with the staff we have. However... the NDSUs, SDSUs, MSUs are making do with less experienced staff at a much quicker clip than Montana is. And that's not something that should be ignored.
 
get'em_griz said:
We have one of the most experienced staffs in all of the FCS. What has it gotten us besides consistency?

Sure, more connections are important, but if it doesn't lead to actual championships, then what's the point? We've got a solid sample size to look at now over the last 8 years. And don't get me wrong, I'm still very pleased with the staff we have. However... the NDSUs, SDSUs, MSUs are making do with less experienced staff at a much quicker clip than Montana is. And that's not something that should be ignored.
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Are you still going to think SDSU is making do with a less experienced staff after they lose on Saturday? How many championships has the MSU staff won?
 
Bobcat99 said:
Well Bobby might not leave anymore, but that doesn't mean that UM isn't a stepping stone program. There isn't a single FCS program that isn't a stepping stone program. With some rare exceptions, especially if you're a 60+ year old retread, all of these coaches want to advance up the ladder. It's increased money, increased prestige, it's how you get the chance to coach at a premier program.

Fwiw, NDSU's last several coaches have all moved up the ladder. The only reason nobody at UM has is because Pflugrad got fired before he wouldn't been able to, and everybody else post Hauck 1.0 hasn't been good enough to move up. So it's not that UM isn't a stepping stone, it's just that your coaches haven't been all that great lately. And I don't think calling these programs a stepping stone is an insult, it's just the reality of being an FCS program. There aren't any better places to coach in the FCS, that's without a doubt, but it's still seen as the JV league nationally.
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He's not wrong.
 
5280Griz said:
I am not concerned with the recruiting when it comes to Bobby Hauck. I would like to get more in state guys than the Cats just for the sake of beating the Cats at everything but I think it has been supplemented well from the transfer portal. It looks like Vigen brought some guys in to Bozeman from the portal as well. The FCS program I see not embracing the portal and NIL is NDSU and I think it will be the falling of their program over the next few seasons.
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Wut? You serious?

For one, they do use the portal, just in a supplemental way. They don't use it to build a roster, because that's a terribly inconsistent way to do it, but rather to supplement. Say they have a position group that hasn't developed like expected and the young guys just aren't quite ready yet, then you bring in an experienced transfer to bridge the gap.

As for NIL, uh...they're doing it better than either of our schools are.
 
Bobcat99 said:
Well Bobby might not leave anymore, but that doesn't mean that UM isn't a stepping stone program. There isn't a single FCS program that isn't a stepping stone program. With some rare exceptions, especially if you're a 60+ year old retread, all of these coaches want to advance up the ladder. It's increased money, increased prestige, it's how you get the chance to coach at a premier program.

Fwiw, NDSU's last several coaches have all moved up the ladder. The only reason nobody at UM has is because Pflugrad got fired before he wouldn't been able to, and everybody else post Hauck 1.0 hasn't been good enough to move up. So it's not that UM isn't a stepping stone, it's just that your coaches haven't been all that great lately. And I don't think calling these programs a stepping stone is an insult, it's just the reality of being an FCS program. There aren't any better places to coach in the FCS, that's without a doubt, but it's still seen as the JV league nationally.
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I think Bobby Hauck sees UM as the premier program as Tim Polasek sees NDSU as the premier program whereas Vigen sees other options as better than MSU.
 
Bobcat99 said:
Wut? You serious?

For one, they do use the portal, just in a supplemental way. They don't use it to build a roster, because that's a terribly inconsistent way to do it, but rather to supplement. Say they have a position group that hasn't developed like expected and the young guys just aren't quite ready yet, then you bring in an experienced transfer to bridge the gap.

As for NIL, uh...they're doing it better than either of our schools are.
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From what I have seen NDSU is not doing as well as either Montana school in NIL and all of their impact players have come from high school instead of the portal with the majority coming from Minnesota.
 
If you have played DI football for 4 years you know 85% about the game of football. There is only so much you can do with 11 players on offense and 11 players on defense. Its not rocket science and its not that hard.

Now there are gifted people that can teach the game and get concepts across to the majority of players better than others can. Some people can teach, some cant. I know some former coaches that have a wealth of knowledge about the game but cannot translate that to players worth a damn.

If you decided after you were done playing that you wanted to be a coach got a job on a staff and learned for 3-5 years even a person with average intelligence would know 95% of the game of football and the business of football. We can all learn new things, probably up to the day you die but there isn't that much to know about football.

The last 5% is reserved for the few elite managers of people that succeed at anything they try to do, they are intelligent, driven and if they were not coaching football, they could be leaders in other areas like business, science, healthcare, engineering etc
 
5280Griz said:
I think Bobby Hauck sees UM as the premier program as Tim Polasek sees NDSU as the premier program whereas Vigen sees other options as better than MSU.
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Polasek just interviewed for the same job as Vigen did. He wouldn't do that if he thought NDSU was the top of the ladder. Regardless, while these coaches are happy with where they are, and while they realize they are at premier FCS programs, they are also aware that there are much better jobs elsewhere. I get that you're proud of your program, you should be, but man, it's not the peak!
5280Griz said:
From what I have seen NDSU is not doing as well as either Montana school in NIL and all of their impact players have come from high school instead of the portal with the majority coming from Minnesota.
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I doubt you have actual access to what any of the schools are doing money wise, but if you do, I'd love to see it.

Is there a problem with their impact players coming from HS? I guess I don't see a downside to that.
 
Dont Kick 2 Bergen said:
If you have played DI football for 4 years you know 85% about the game of football. There is only so much you can do with 11 players on offense and 11 players on defense. Its not rocket science and its not that hard.

Now there are gifted people that can teach the game and get concepts across to the majority of players better than others can. Some people can teach, some cant. I know some former coaches that have a wealth of knowledge about the game but cannot translate that to players worth a damn.

If you decided after you were done playing that you wanted to be a coach got a job on a staff and learned for 3-5 years even a person with average intelligence would know 95% of the game of football and the business of football. We can all learn new things, probably up to the day you die but there isn't that much to know about football.

The last 5% is reserved for the few elite managers of people that succeed at anything they try to do, they are intelligent, driven and if they were not coaching football, they could be leaders in other areas like business, science, healthcare, engineering etc
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Reminds me of the guy who used to coach at Coastal Carolina, I think. Joe Moglia?
 
Dont Kick 2 Bergen said:
If you have played DI football for 4 years you know 85% about the game of football. There is only so much you can do with 11 players on offense and 11 players on defense. Its not rocket science and its not that hard.

Now there are gifted people that can teach the game and get concepts across to the majority of players better than others can. Some people can teach, some cant. I know some former coaches that have a wealth of knowledge about the game but cannot translate that to players worth a damn.

If you decided after you were done playing that you wanted to be a coach got a job on a staff and learned for 3-5 years even a person with average intelligence would know 95% of the game of football and the business of football. We can all learn new things, probably up to the day you die but there isn't that much to know about football.

The last 5% is reserved for the few elite managers of people that succeed at anything they try to do, they are intelligent, driven and if they were not coaching football, they could be leaders in other areas like business, science, healthcare, engineering etc
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Not to diss on special teams but there you can play special teams for 4 years which is mostly just snap the ball and find either your guy to block in field goals/extra points or where the returner is and try to get down field to make a tackle during punts in college. There is a lot more in depth to offense and defense that offensive players often will not fully know our defense and vice versa. They play each other so I assume they end up knowing quite a bit but as far as special teams go you do not need to know the defensive and offensive concepts and schemes at all to be successful.
 
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