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When is it going to leak out or get announced that Vigen is departing?

MissoulaMarinerFan said:
Pretty non-committal statement released at a convenient time by msus athletic department. No extension announced, doesn’t say anything about excited about coaching in 2026 and beyond. Just excited about….coaching the team? Okay.
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Good point. I had thought the announcement sounded weird, but had not thought of what you said. Good thinking.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Vamos, can you tell us how the below stats and comments support what the Nuanez brothers said about the difference being the better Cat lines? I see nothing from the game that supports that view. This was part of my longer post in another thread several days ago.

"The Cats didn't run all over the Griz at all. Not even close. Yes, on the last drive. Good on the Cats, bad on the Griz. And the QB had a big game. Good on him and the Cats, bad on the Griz. That can be fixed by the Griz with changes in the scheme, and will also be helped by the return of Loud (I assume he's coming back) because his return will allow the D to do more things to combat the QB run.

Yes, again, the QB had a nice day and too nice of a day. But the two running backs had only 107 yards until the last drive, and then got up to 154 yards. Long runs of 25 and 15. The Cats had 268 on the ground for the day. Slightly over their average. But they averaged slightly less per rush than their season average. Cats averaged 5.7 per rush; Griz averaged 6.4 per rush.

Gillman was 15-132, or 8.8 per carry. Wortham was 3-40. So, 172 for the 2 UM backs. So, the Griz backs had more yardage than the Cat backs, on fewer carries. Yes, yes, I know the QB too.

Would you say the Griz ran all over the Cats? Or, at least that the Griz running backs ran all over the Cats. Again, they had more yards and yards per carry than the Cat RB's.

To me, the summary is that the Cat QB had a good running game, and the Griz lacked there. That was the running difference, and maybe the difference in the game. The Cats also had a very nice drive at end of game and a few other short periods of good running.

The Cat backs averaged 7.1 and 5.3 yards per carry. Considerably less than Gillman and the top backs did.

The Cats won't win against the Griz in Bozeman, and certainly not by 2/3 scores (unless you are talking extra points).

As I have said, the Griz should have Loud back, which will help the D and pass D significantly. The Griz will have a better scheme to stop the QB, and that will be helped by Loud's return. I'd bet that T. Hauck and Baer already have the new scheme drawn up. The QB isn't going to complete 90% of his passes again. It's hard to beat a team twice in a row. Hopefully, the Griz will make fewer mistakes and don't miss as many key tackles. Hopefully, the ball bounces more in the Griz direction than it did on Saturday.

I'm sure it will be good or great game.

[And the stats I already posted about the top 2 Cat DL having 2 tackles apiece and 1 sack. And the Griz OL giving 2 sacks when Ah Yat threw 32 times. And the Cat OL gave up 4 sacks when it's QB threw 20 times. The top 5 Griz DL had 4, 4, 3, 2, 2 tackles, and 3 sacks among them.

Again, how do any of these stats show that the Cat lines were the difference?]





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Hoops, let's try again. Read my post, I didn't even mention the Nuanez brothers and I wasn't talking about the game. Nice pivot though. What I typed was: "Listen to Andrew Schmidt's interview on big sky breakdown from yesterday. He nailed it." I was talking about the big picture - the tide has turned and so many griz fans either don't see it or won't admit it. No need to make any changes, all is well. Uh huh. I know you won't listen to me & I'll just have to live with that, hard as it is. It would be better to listen to his podcast interview than to have me paraphrase. Maybe you can give that podcast a listen.
 
Vamos Gatos Vamos said:
Hoops, let's try again. Read my post, I didn't even mention the Nuanez brothers and I wasn't talking about the game. Nice pivot though. What I typed was: "Listen to Andrew Schmidt's interview on big sky breakdown from yesterday. He nailed it." I was talking about the big picture - the tide has turned and so many griz fans either don't see it or won't admit it. No need to make any changes, all is well. Uh huh. I know you won't listen to me & I'll just have to live with that, hard as it is. It would be better to listen to his podcast interview than to have me paraphrase. Maybe you can give that podcast a listen.
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I didn't say you addressed the Nuanez brother's comment. I asked you another question about that subject and wanted your response. There was no pivot. You need to work on your reading and reading comprehension.

Also, you never responded to my question about your saying I didn't acknowledge the tide has turned or whatever you said. Again, I have never talked about the subject of the tide turning. You're just making up stuff.

I don't listen to podcasts. Too long and boring. I need to get info faster.
 
mthoopsfan said:
I didn't say you addressed the Nuanez brother's comment. I asked you another question about that subject and wanted your response. There was no pivot. You need to work on your reading and reading comprehension.

Also, you never responded to my question about your saying I didn't acknowledge the tide has turned or whatever you said. Again, I have never talked about the subject of the tide turning. You're just making up stuff.

I don't listen to podcasts. Too long and boring. I need to get info faster.
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The jist of Schmidt’s argument was that the university, top to bottom, got complacent and arrogant. A holier than thou attitude I guess. This permeates recruiting with the attitude of “if you don’t come here you are stupid” vs the welcoming family vibe that the neighbors cultivate. MSU has been very forward thinking and ambitious, through capital investment, marketing, and fundraising. UM’s vibe is the opposite. Stagnant, old fashioned, and resting on laurels that last happened before any recruits were born.
 
PDXGrizzly said:
The jist of Schmidt’s argument was that the university, top to bottom, got complacent and arrogant. A holier than thou attitude I guess. This permeates recruiting with the attitude of “if you don’t come here you are stupid” vs the welcoming family vibe that the neighbors cultivate. MSU has been very forward thinking and ambitious, through capital investment, marketing, and fundraising. UM’s vibe is the opposite. Stagnant, old fashioned, and resting on laurels that last happened before any recruits were born.
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Thx. I like Schmidt personally, but I don’t read or listen to his stuff. I don’t agree with most of what he says. I sometimes wonder if he believes some of his stuff. He just tries to stir up things. Stagnant, old fashioned and resting on its laurels is certainly not true under Bodnar. I know a lot about MSU too. They have done well, but I also know many of the negative aspects too. I lived there after age 12. Many of my family still lives there. Many of my family went college there. One son went there. My step dad was an MSU professor. My niece’s husband is a professor now. My mom worked for MSU. Our law firm did work for MSU, as did I. I knew a number of the top people. I have had access to considerable info. MSU has attracted alot of out of state students. UM let itself slide before Bodnar. Not sure Schmidt has described all the reasons.
 
Vamos Gatos Vamos said:
Hoops, let's try again. Read my post, I didn't even mention the Nuanez brothers and I wasn't talking about the game. Nice pivot though. What I typed was: "Listen to Andrew Schmidt's interview on big sky breakdown from yesterday. He nailed it." I was talking about the big picture - the tide has turned and so many griz fans either don't see it or won't admit it. No need to make any changes, all is well. Uh huh. I know you won't listen to me & I'll just have to live with that, hard as it is. It would be better to listen to his podcast interview than to have me paraphrase. Maybe you can give that podcast a listen.
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Little Brother Syndrome (LBS).
 
In my opinion MSU’s little brother syndrome is hurting both programs. The Griz is too apathetic when it comes to beating the Cats and the Cats are too focused on just beating the Griz and not on overcoming top MVFC teams to win a championship. When UM was kicking the Cats ass annually in football their current dynamic worked but it seems like the Cats don’t truly think they are the Griz equal yet and Griz are resting on their laurels in the past.
 
5280Griz said:
In my opinion MSU’s little brother syndrome is hurting both programs. The Griz is too apathetic when it comes to beating the Cats and the Cats are too focused on just beating the Griz and not on overcoming top MVFC teams to win a championship. When UM was kicking the Cats ass annually in football their current dynamic worked but it seems like the Cats don’t truly think they are the Griz equal yet and Griz are resting on their laurels in the past.
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Anyone who thinks BH is "apathetic when it comes to beating the cats" should get a lifetime band from eGriz.com.
 
mthoopsfan said:
I didn't say you addressed the Nuanez brother's comment. I asked you another question about that subject and wanted your response. There was no pivot. You need to work on your reading and reading comprehension.

Also, you never responded to my question about your saying I didn't acknowledge the tide has turned or whatever you said. Again, I have never talked about the subject of the tide turning. You're just making up stuff.

I don't listen to podcasts. Too long and boring. I need to get info faster.
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Spin spin spin and you might just win. You mentioned the Nuanez brothers by name: "Vamos, can you tell us how the below stats and comments support what the Nuanez brothers said" Regardless, you'd rather deflect & deny than listen & learn. Your stance is exactly what Andrew was referring to. You're old enough to appreciate Jethro Tull - 'oh no, no! We won't give in! We'll keep living in the past....'
 
Vamos Gatos Vamos said:
Spin spin spin and you might just win. You mentioned the Nuanez brothers by name: "Vamos, can you tell us how the below stats and comments support what the Nuanez brothers said" Regardless, you'd rather deflect & deny than listen & learn. Your stance is exactly what Andrew was referring to. You're old enough to appreciate Jethro Tull - 'oh no, no! We won't give in! We'll keep living in the past....'
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Just as I said. I didn’t say you had said anything about Nuanez. I asked you to address the topic using my data. You need to learn how to read. The below stats and comments referred to were mine. I said take them and address and reconcile with Nuanez comments. Do you truly not understand, even now after I have explained it to you twice, what I asked you to do.

What is my “stance” that you refer to? Stance on what? You need to learn to write in English and more clearly.
 
Vamos Gatos Vamos said:
Spin spin spin and you might just win. You mentioned the Nuanez brothers by name: "Vamos, can you tell us how the below stats and comments support what the Nuanez brothers said" Regardless, you'd rather deflect & deny than listen & learn. Your stance is exactly what Andrew was referring to. You're old enough to appreciate Jethro Tull - 'oh no, no! We won't give in! We'll keep living in the past....'
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Most of those kitties are Thick as a Brick
 
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