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What's so good about moving up?

5280Griz said:
What does money winning mean? Does the G6 playoff just need to be net positive or does the money they make have to be comparable to the CFP for antitrust law to not apply?
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Making money. I don't know the antitrust law. Only read a few articles. And antitrust was not my speciality in law.
 
701Grizfan said:
Ok that’s fair Helena. I’ll accept my post could have been worded better. To clarify - as we all know college football is big business and in my opinion, the Griz program only gets left behind if the university itself refuses to adapt and embrace change as college football evolves. Personally I don’t believe getting left behind is as big of a risk as some others do because UM football is a desirable product that can continue to grow its value in the college football marketplace.
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I suggest talking to someone in the athletic department, as they are willing to have a pretty good discussion. I will tell you that they have had discussions, but so far being "good enough" hasn't been good enough when it comes to financially making the move feasible. This isn't about the desirability of UM football, it is about the $$$. There are only so many opportunities and sooner or later those will dry up.
 
Didn't read the whole thread, but all trolling aside each university/program should move to or stay where it's best for its situation. A lot of the vitriol on here are folks comparing your situation to ours and the similarities are few and far between. I don't know the ins and outs of your situation but my perception is that you guys are seemingly at your market cap. If that's what's best for your program then so be it, nothing wrong with that. We are at the opposite end of the spectrum given the JV perception of the Big Sky/FCS in our region, largely due to the other regional CFB competition and professional sport entertainment options.

I do think the powers that be in the NCAA are looking to close the door (or make it extremely costly/difficult) to move from JV to FBS in the near future. Dr. Wood has hinted at this in some of his recent interviews, and we're seeing JV programs that don't want to miss that window making moves now (NDSU, Sac State with the phags and Tarleton certain to move up). That makes the situation for you Montuckians quite peculiar. Good luck on whatever path your leadership chooses.
 
What does this mean? "you guys are seemingly at your market cap."

Yes, our programs are different and at different stages. And I understand the competition situation in your area, that SS is in.

I agree that FBS is closing the door, or making it expensive and harder, at this time. However, if there is a big realignment, and I'm not saying there will be one, I believe the window will open for good and strong FCS programs. I could also see lower level FBS conferences tossing out loser schools then. Looking at you, if you don't do well.

I don't see now as a "window". One, it's barely open if it's a window. Two, as I said, I think the window will be open for good FCS schools in the future if there is big realignment.

With what SS is doing now, you run the risk of damaging or ruining your football program, and hurting your school. Big risk. Can't imagine the financing is there for the foreseeable future.

UM is in a good situation, where it is strong enough as a program to wait and watch.
 
SS can afford to cut football if this blows up in their face as badly as some are predicting because their students don’t care about the football team overall. Football games are a central part of the UM experience on the other hand. Having to cut the football program would be a devastating blow to UM.
 
"Market cap" meaning how much more are Montucky fans willing to pay at the gate for FBS product vs what they are paying for the current JV product? You guys are the greatest ever so I assume ticket pricing is currently reflective of that, perhaps that isn't the case. Whatever the case may be, the math has to work out with less home games to cover a larger operating budget.
 
SDHornet said:
"Market cap" meaning how much more are Montucky fans willing to pay at the gate for FBS product vs what they are paying for the current JV product? You guys are the greatest ever so I assume ticket pricing is currently reflective of that, perhaps that isn't the case. Whatever the case may be, the math has to work out with less home games to cover a larger operating budget.
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Okay. Don't know where you got that term. Seems like an odd term. Market cap means number of shares of stock outstanding times share price. UM fans are willing to pay more, just fyi. Not sure how much more. And UM could sell more seats if UM had the seats to sell.

Maybe you should get back to fundraising and overstating financial impact. SS is going down.
 
SDHornet said:
He took the consultant projection for one year and projected it across the 5 year MAC membership term. The 5 year projection isn't in the report, the one year projection is.
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So the consultant projected for the only year Sac State would truly be eligible for the MAC media/TV deal and Dr. Wood extrapolated that over the full 5 years because he's thinking they will be able to negotiate the same or better media/TV deal in the first four years?
 
SDHornet said:
"Market cap" meaning how much more are Montucky fans willing to pay at the gate for FBS product vs what they are paying for the current JV product? You guys are the greatest ever so I assume ticket pricing is currently reflective of that, perhaps that isn't the case. Whatever the case may be, the math has to work out with less home games to cover a larger operating budget.
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If it were about paying at the gate, SS would be DII.

SS is paying $17M (and the other stipulations) from being irrelevant in FCS to being irrelevant in FBS. They have the population base and the tax base to make it work potentially, but what is the benefit to SS? Is this supposed to help with an enrollment issue or something? Is it because not being successful in the FBS looks better than not being successful in the FCS?

Maybe losses to Akron and Central Michigan won't hurt as much as losses to Cal Poly and Davis.
 
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