What will it take to change your mind re: coach

[Silvertip]

Forget Mick...Nothing substantive is going to happen at UM until Royce Engstrom is gone. And that won't happen with a Board of Regents that refuses to acknowledge that his hire was a huge mistake. That call will pass to Montana's new governor.

 

[GrizBacker04]

I think this also goes back to how ridiculous it was to give Delaney an extension before he had even coached a game. That was an absurd thing to do, a decision that now has put Haslem between a rock and a hard place. If he wants to make a move, he is hamstrung by the fact that not only would he have to buy out Delaney, but the athletic department still is on the hook for O'Day through the end of next June. No way, unless a booster comes to the rescue, will UM be able to afford to pay Delaney and the new head coach, while also paying O'Day through June.

I agreed with Delaney becoming the interim head coach, that was a good move. And it did bring stability at the time to the program. But this football season should have been an "interview" for him and right now he hasn't exactly passed that interview with flying colors. And whatever stability he brought to the program last spring has been eroded away this fall.

The other red herring in all of this is waiting for the NCAA to finally finish its investigation. What the NCAA reports in its findings and what, if any, sanctions are levied against the program will also play a factor in the hiring of the next head coach.

 

[GrizBacker04]

Thanks to Royce Engstrom, UM did not have an AD. Does anyone really think interim commissioner Gee was up to conducting a coaching search? Does anyone really think Gee had a short list of coaches to start from? Who among possible search committee members was ready to pick a new coach with the bus still rolling over Pflu and O'Day?.

Remember though, the vast majority of folks on this site, as well as Griz fans, were glad that Delaney got the extension and were continually contacting RE asking him to do extend Delaney.

 

[wbtfg]

I think this also goes back to how ridiculous it was to give Delaney an extension before he had even coached a game. That was an absurd thing to do, a decision that now has put Haslem between a rock and a hard place. If he wants to make a move, he is hamstrung by the fact that not only would he have to buy out Delaney, but the athletic department still is on the hook for O'Day through the end of next June. No way, unless a booster comes to the rescue, will UM be able to afford to pay Delaney and the new head coach, while also paying O'Day through June.

I agreed with Delaney becoming the interim head coach, that was a good move. And it did bring stability at the time to the program. But this football season should have been an "interview" for him and right now he hasn't exactly passed that interview with flying colors. And whatever stability he brought to the program last spring has been eroded away this fall.

The other red herring in all of this is waiting for the NCAA to finally finish its investigation. What the NCAA reports in its findings and what, if any, sanctions are levied against the program will also play a factor in the hiring of the next head coach.

Good post....I've been saying pretty much the same thing since Delaney was offered the full-time position with a two year contract.

One thing, though, <<pause while putting on tin foil hat>> what if Engstrom knew that the NCAA investigations would be on going for at least a year and offered Delaney a contract in order to aid in recruiting and because he wasn't sure what type of applicant UM could attract with the black cloud of an NCAA investigation looming overhead? This would be the best explanation for offering a contract prematurely. <<takes off tin foil hat>>

 

[Jimmy Johnson]

You know I have read about a lot of Montana fans that want a possible buyout or when they do have a HC opening they want a bigger base salary to attract better candidates. Put up or shut up. The only way other schools afford to pay big contracts is by private money. The griz can have a great long term coach for 500k a year if people really wanted it so.

 

[indian-outlaw]

You know I have read about a lot of Montana fans that want a possible buyout or when they do have a HC opening they want a bigger base salary to attract better candidates. Put up or shut up. The only way other schools afford to pay big contracts is by private money. The griz can have a great long term coach for 500k a year if people really wanted it so.

Is the griz coach not a state employee? I don't think you can throw private money at him.

 

[RobGriz]

Forget Mick...Nothing substantive is going to happen at UM until Royce Engstrom is gone. And that won't happen with a Board of Regents that refuses to acknowledge that his hire was a huge mistake. That call will pass to Montana's new governor.

This. How sad was the candidate pool that Engstrom was the best choice.

 

[RobGriz]

You know I have read about a lot of Montana fans that want a possible buyout or when they do have a HC opening they want a bigger base salary to attract better candidates. Put up or shut up. The only way other schools afford to pay big contracts is by private money. The griz can have a great long term coach for 500k a year if people really wanted it so.

Is the griz coach not a state employee? I don't think you can throw private money at him.

Actually I think you might be able to. I know that they are allowed to get money for things in the community like Joe Glenn got for making Ole's commercials and I believe they get paid for doing the coaches show. But I am not sure on what is required from a legal standpoint???

 

[indian-outlaw]

You know I have read about a lot of Montana fans that want a possible buyout or when they do have a HC opening they want a bigger base salary to attract better candidates. Put up or shut up. The only way other schools afford to pay big contracts is by private money. The griz can have a great long term coach for 500k a year if people really wanted it so.

Is the griz coach not a state employee? I don't think you can throw private money at him.

Actually I think you might be able to. I know that they are allowed to get money for things in the community like Joe Glenn got for making Ole's commercials and I believe they get paid for doing the coaches show. But I am not sure on what is required from a legal standpoint???

I suppose that's true, nobody is saying he can't make money on his own doing commercials or something. Maybe he could line up a cars sales commercial for big bucks, advertising acres and acres of cars or something. I just don't think it can be part of his base salary.

 

[GrizBacker04]

You know I have read about a lot of Montana fans that want a possible buyout or when they do have a HC opening they want a bigger base salary to attract better candidates. Put up or shut up. The only way other schools afford to pay big contracts is by private money. The griz can have a great long term coach for 500k a year if people really wanted it so.

Is the griz coach not a state employee? I don't think you can throw private money at him.

Actually I think you might be able to. I know that they are allowed to get money for things in the community like Joe Glenn got for making Ole's commercials and I believe they get paid for doing the coaches show. But I am not sure on what is required from a legal standpoint???

I suppose that's true, nobody is saying he can't make money on his own doing commercials or something. Maybe he could line up a cars sales commercial for big bucks, advertising acres and acres of cars or something. I just don't think it can be part of his base salary.

A bulk of a coach's salary comes from other sources than simply his state salary. For instance, Robb Akey's base pay was $165K, but he also earned $85K per year for his media appearances (tv/radio show), as well as keeping compensation from football camps, apparel contracts, etc. http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CHSIdaho.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[Umista]

Mick Delaney is a very good man. Good guy also. However, he is in way way over his head. He should step down and retire at the end of this season win or lose the remaining games.

I think he will call it a day. The pressure is getting to him and it will become much nastier next year. Fans will begin to fight, bitch and argue and stop supporting such a mess. Only Engstrom can convince him to stay on. Haslam can not fire him unless Engstrom allows such a thing.

This is Engstroms chance to make up for such a debacle he started. Mick will feel better and enjoy his retirement. He was fifth on the last coaching line so what makes anyone believe he can be a master as a head coach?

I will bet he does the right thing and steps down.

 

[Lowflyr]

I'm very concerned and discouraged about the direction we are going. What ever happend to the slogan "The Griz don't rebuild, they reload"? Have we not had similar situations where our current players are young and with new coaches, yet the Griz still excelled? UM has to quit applying the "Peter Principle" by looking and just promoting from within. Of course, the biggest problem in recruiting a new coach may be one of timing. Looking for a new coach immediatly following a season IMO is a poor time to be looking. They need to be looking sooner (maybe they already are and we don't know it). I do agree there are clouds still overhanging UM (NCAA investigations and possible outcomes - Ugh!) however, I can't help but think there are some stellar coaches out there who would salivate to have a shot at being a HC at UM; one of the greatest dynastys in college football over the years.

Major issues I now see:
1. Recruitment is going to suffer thanks to: All the off-season crap (that should have been stomped on immediatly by the coaches, setting examples along time ago), Now a losing season, A coach who only has another year of a contract and is still a part of the "old guard" & according to some (not all) comments where he is "not very respected." Word does get around whether it's true or a rumor.
2. Attendance will begin to drop, especially from those who travel (who wants to dirve 2+ hrs one-way) which also equates to lower revenues, not only for UM, but also for the local businesses. Did I not read somewhere where aound a million $$ is injected into the local Missoula economy on home games?

Long story short, my vote: Sorry, but start looking now for a new coach and assistants which will demonstrate UM is committed to righting the ship for the long term and not just a bandaid. It will help with recruitment and further reinforce the philosophy that UM has high standards and expectations of its students.

 

[GrizBacker04]

ooking for a new coach immediatly following a season IMO is a poor time to be looking. They need to be looking sooner (maybe they already are and we don't know it).

Umm, when else do you suggest looking for the new head coach then? Unless the Griz want to hire someone who currently does not have a job, looking for a new coach now is pretty difficult. Pretty sure a current coordinator or head coach somewhere would have a hard time explaining to his current A.D. "hey, going to miss a couple days of game prep, got a job interview to go to!"

If the Griz are going to go another direction, I am sure Haslem has names in mind and possibly have picked the brains of a couple people, but the hiring process (if it happens) won't be until after the season ends. Like it is with every program across the country.

 

[kurtismichael]

ooking for a new coach immediatly following a season IMO is a poor time to be looking. They need to be looking sooner (maybe they already are and we don't know it).

Umm, when else do you suggest looking for the new head coach then? Unless the Griz want to hire someone who currently does not have a job, looking for a new coach now is pretty difficult. Pretty sure a current coordinator or head coach somewhere would have a hard time explaining to his current A.D. "hey, going to miss a couple days of game prep, got a job interview to go to!"

If the Griz are going to go another direction, I am sure Haslem has names in mind and possibly have picked the brains of a couple people, but the hiring process (if it happens) won't be until after the season ends. Like it is with every program across the country.

Unless your name is Bobby Petrino.

 

[GrizBacker04]

ooking for a new coach immediatly following a season IMO is a poor time to be looking. They need to be looking sooner (maybe they already are and we don't know it).

Umm, when else do you suggest looking for the new head coach then? Unless the Griz want to hire someone who currently does not have a job, looking for a new coach now is pretty difficult. Pretty sure a current coordinator or head coach somewhere would have a hard time explaining to his current A.D. "hey, going to miss a couple days of game prep, got a job interview to go to!"

If the Griz are going to go another direction, I am sure Haslem has names in mind and possibly have picked the brains of a couple people, but the hiring process (if it happens) won't be until after the season ends. Like it is with every program across the country.

Unless your name is Bobby Petrino.

Point, although that was under different circumstances than the current Griz situation.

 

[kurtismichael]

ooking for a new coach immediatly following a season IMO is a poor time to be looking. They need to be looking sooner (maybe they already are and we don't know it).

Umm, when else do you suggest looking for the new head coach then? Unless the Griz want to hire someone who currently does not have a job, looking for a new coach now is pretty difficult. Pretty sure a current coordinator or head coach somewhere would have a hard time explaining to his current A.D. "hey, going to miss a couple days of game prep, got a job interview to go to!"

If the Griz are going to go another direction, I am sure Haslem has names in mind and possibly have picked the brains of a couple people, but the hiring process (if it happens) won't be until after the season ends. Like it is with every program across the country.

Unless your name is Bobby Petrino.

Point, although that was under different circumstances than the current Griz situation.

I'm referring to when he "didn't interview" with Auburn while still in the midst of Louisville's season. The Falcons and Razorbacks were definetly under different circumstances. I agree with your post though.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

You know I have read about a lot of Montana fans that want a possible buyout or when they do have a HC opening they want a bigger base salary to attract better candidates. Put up or shut up. The only way other schools afford to pay big contracts is by private money. The griz can have a great long term coach for 500k a year if people really wanted it so.

As much as it kills me to admit this, "Jimmy Johnson" is exactly right. It will take more money to get the kind of coach we need. Way more money.

 

[GrizBacker04]

Umm, when else do you suggest looking for the new head coach then? Unless the Griz want to hire someone who currently does not have a job, looking for a new coach now is pretty difficult. Pretty sure a current coordinator or head coach somewhere would have a hard time explaining to his current A.D. "hey, going to miss a couple days of game prep, got a job interview to go to!"

If the Griz are going to go another direction, I am sure Haslem has names in mind and possibly have picked the brains of a couple people, but the hiring process (if it happens) won't be until after the season ends. Like it is with every program across the country.

Unless your name is Bobby Petrino.

Point, although that was under different circumstances than the current Griz situation.

I'm referring to when he "didn't interview" with Auburn while still in the midst of Louisville's season. The Falcons and Razorbacks were definetly under different circumstances. I agree with your post though.

HA! I thought you meant motorcycle gate. Bobby Petrino -- what a puke! Yeah, when he was all set to go to Auburn while Tommy Tuberville was still coach is classic, as is Petrino leaving a note on the lockerroom door to let his Falcon players know he was leaving. That scum shouldn't coach again, yet will be hired by some AD who needs to win football games. Petrino is a good coach obviously, just has a hallow soul.

 

[Spanky]

We really can't proceed regarding a new coach because we have a coach with another year under contract. Further, it most likely would be a futile effort until the results of the NCAA investigation is announced and Engstrom moves bask to South Dakota.

 

[Walkon79]

We really can't proceed regarding a new coach because we have a coach with another year under contract. Further, it most likely would be a futile effort until the results of the NCAA investigation is announced and Engstrom moves bask to South Dakota.

Did I say how much I love Waded Cruzado :mrgreen: