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What we want to see happen around the FCS this weekend

BWahlberg

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While I'm waiting for the GFP to get spread around all of our podcast platforms I wanted to share some quick research I put together.

As has been shared around here. If the Griz win - they're in, it's a 100% lock. I believe they have a long shot for a seed still, I'll share more below. If the Griz lose they're on the bubble for sure and will need a lot of breaks to help them. So, I looked at some scenarios and here's my take:

The Griz could get a seed - I'll admit, its an extreme long shot. Montana's resume wouldn't be too bad, all 3 losses single scores against ranked/playoff bound teams, two on the road without our starting QB. We have a great Sagarin ranking, a solid SoS overall, and will be coming off a road win against the #3 team in the country. Beyond that, we need a lot of help.

- #3 MSU loses to #13 UM
- #4 NDSU loses to #19 UND
- #8 William & Mary beats #11 Richmond
- #9 Samford loses to #19 Mercer

With those 4 losses Montana moves into the top 10 at the end of the season. That top 10 contains Jackson State who isn't going to the playoffs. Again, it's a LONG shot but could UM sneak out the 8 seed over Furman or Elon (Elon is on a bye, Furman plays 3 win Wofford). An argument could be made for it.

The Griz could get in with a loss on Saturday - Fascinatingly enough, in many cases they'll need some of the games I listed above to go the OTHER way. A 7-4 Montana team will have no "good" wins and no "bad" losses. All 4 losses could/should be to playoff teams, as we know right now 3 of them are by 1 score. In this scenario Montana needs other bubble teams to falter as well. Not all of these games need to go this way, but if a handful did it would greatly help us. I'd think if UCD loses we're looking good, if they win we're going to need 2 or 3 of these other games to break our way as well.

- #24 UC Davis loses to #2 Sac State - this is probably the single biggest "help" UM could have to make it.

- #17 SEMO wins their coin toss. Yep, you read that right. SEMO plays a 2 win Murray State this weekend, UT-Martin plays a 3 win Eastern Illinois. Despite being a conference of just 7 teams SEMO and UT-M didn't play each other this year and both are undefeated in the conference. If both win on Saturday the conference champion will be selected by way of a coin toss. UT-M is not getting in if they don't win that coin toss. SEMO with a win is in regardless and pushes a bubble team out if they don't win that coin flip.

- #4 NDSU beats #19 UND. That bursts UND's bubble most likely and helps Montana

- #20 Delaware loses to Villanova (5-5). Probably also puts UD on the outside looking in

- #9 Samford beats #19 Mercer. Craig Haley's early season darling Mercer is sent packing. Samford won their conference but is playing for a seed so they're not going to roll over in this game.

- Kennesaw State (5-5) beats Eastern Kentucky (6-4). EKU probably doesn't have the pedigree to get in with a win anyways. I thought they'd crack the top 25 this week but they didn't.

- #23 SE Louisiana loses to Nichols. If SELA and Incarnate Word win on Saturday SELA gets the auto-bid and UIW gets a seed. UIW is playing NW State and is heavily favored. Nichols has only won 3 games themselves so a win for them is unlikely, but if they do SELA is not going to the playoffs.
 
BWahlberg said:
While I'm waiting for the GFP to get spread around all of our podcast platforms I wanted to share some quick research I put together.

As has been shared around here. If the Griz win - they're in, it's a 100% lock. I believe they have a long shot for a seed still, I'll share more below. If the Griz lose they're on the bubble for sure and will need a lot of breaks to help them. So, I looked at some scenarios and here's my take:

The Griz could get a seed - I'll admit, its an extreme long shot. Montana's resume wouldn't be too bad, all 3 losses single scores against ranked/playoff bound teams, two on the road without our starting QB. We have a great Sagarin ranking, a solid SoS overall, and will be coming off a road win against the #3 team in the country. Beyond that, we need a lot of help.

- #3 MSU loses to #13 UM
- #4 NDSU loses to #19 UND
- #8 William & Mary beats #11 Richmond
- #9 Samford loses to #19 Mercer

With those 4 losses Montana moves into the top 10 at the end of the season. That top 10 contains Jackson State who isn't going to the playoffs. Again, it's a LONG shot but could UM sneak out the 8 seed over Furman or Elon (Elon is on a bye, Furman plays 3 win Wofford). An argument could be made for it.

The Griz could get in with a loss on Saturday - Fascinatingly enough, in many cases they'll need some of the games I listed above to go the OTHER way. A 7-4 Montana team will have no "good" wins and no "bad" losses. All 4 losses could/should be to playoff teams, as we know right now 3 of them are by 1 score. In this scenario Montana needs other bubble teams to falter as well. Not all of these games need to go this way, but if a handful did it would greatly help us. I'd think if UCD loses we're looking good, if they win we're going to need 2 or 3 of these other games to break our way as well.

- #24 UC Davis loses to #2 Sac State - this is probably the single biggest "help" UM could have to make it.

- #17 SEMO wins their coin toss. Yep, you read that right. SEMO plays a 2 win Murray State this weekend, UT-Martin plays a 3 win Eastern Illinois. Despite being a conference of just 7 teams SEMO and UT-M didn't play each other this year and both are undefeated in the conference. If both win on Saturday the conference champion will be selected by way of a coin toss. UT-M is not getting in if they don't win that coin toss. SEMO with a win is in regardless and pushes a bubble team out if they don't win that coin flip.

- #4 NDSU beats #19 UND. That bursts UND's bubble most likely and helps Montana

- #20 Delaware loses to Villanova (5-5). Probably also puts UD on the outside looking in

- #9 Samford beats #19 Mercer. Craig Haley's early season darling Mercer is sent packing. Samford won their conference but is playing for a seed so they're not going to roll over in this game.

- Kennesaw State (5-5) beats Eastern Kentucky (6-4). EKU probably doesn't have the pedigree to get in with a win anyways. I thought they'd crack the top 25 this week but they didn't.

- #23 SE Louisiana loses to Nichols. If SELA and Incarnate Word win on Saturday SELA gets the auto-bid and UIW gets a seed. UIW is playing NW State and is heavily favored. Nichols has only won 3 games themselves so a win for them is unlikely, but if they do SELA is not going to the playoffs.

I know it is the longest of longshots, but Idaho losing would also be helpful.
 
The other factor at play that could help Montana for a seed (if the stars align) would be how the committee like regionalization.

So let's say those games all go our way. If I took a dumb/hopeful guess at seeds it would go:

1. Sacramento State
2. South Dakota State
3. William & Mary
4. Incarnate Word
5. Montana State
6. Holy Cross
7. North Dakota State
8. Montana

Tough to predict upsets of course but then that would possibly pit:

Sac vs UM
NSDU vs SDSU
HC vs W&M
MSU vs UIW

Things stay regional-ish
 
BWahlberg said:
The other factor at play that could help Montana for a seed (if the stars align) would be how the committee like regionalization.

So let's say those games all go our way. If I took a dumb/hopeful guess at seeds it would go:

1. Sacramento State
2. South Dakota State
3. William & Mary
4. Incarnate Word
5. Montana State
6. Holy Cross
7. North Dakota State
8. Montana

Tough to predict upsets of course but then that would possibly pit:

Sac vs UM
NSDU vs SDSU
HC vs W&M
MSU vs UIW

Things stay regional-ish

I think you would need Weber to lose, and then do they pick an 8 win Griz over an 8 win Weber...
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
BWahlberg said:
The other factor at play that could help Montana for a seed (if the stars align) would be how the committee like regionalization.

So let's say those games all go our way. If I took a dumb/hopeful guess at seeds it would go:

1. Sacramento State
2. South Dakota State
3. William & Mary
4. Incarnate Word
5. Montana State
6. Holy Cross
7. North Dakota State
8. Montana

Tough to predict upsets of course but then that would possibly pit:

Sac vs UM
NSDU vs SDSU
HC vs W&M
MSU vs UIW

Things stay regional-ish

I think you would need Weber to lose, and then do they pick an 8 win Griz over an 8 win Weber...

Oh damn, I totally missed Weber - yeah they've got a seed with a win. This makes it tough for the Griz.

1. Sacramento State
2. South Dakota State
3. William & Mary
4. Incarnate Word
5. Montana State
6. Weber State
7. North Dakota State
8. Montana

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That would mean undefeated Holy Cross doesn't get a seed. Their SoS and Sagarin are really low, but man I have a hard time not seeing them get a seed.
 
BWahlberg said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
I think you would need Weber to lose, and then do they pick an 8 win Griz over an 8 win Weber...

Oh damn, I totally missed Weber - yeah they've got a seed with a win. This makes it tough for the Griz.

1. Sacramento State
2. South Dakota State
3. William & Mary
4. Incarnate Word
5. Montana State
6. Weber State
7. North Dakota State
8. Montana

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That would mean undefeated Holy Cross doesn't get a seed. Their SoS and Sagarin are really low, but man I have a hard time not seeing them get a seed.

Committee has a history of rewarding conference champions, even more so if the are undefeated.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
oldrunner said:
WTF have you guys been drinking???!! :lol:

If you are referencing people thinking the Griz have a shot at a seed, I agree.

I mean, he’s pretty clear by saying how huge of a long shot it is. Quick acting like anyone is predicting it
 
mtgrizfankb said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
If you are referencing people thinking the Griz have a shot at a seed, I agree.

I mean, he’s pretty clear by saying how huge of a long shot it is. Quick acting like anyone is predicting it

I don't even think it is a longshot, more of a zero shot.
 
I think Holy Cross would be the easy out.

BWahlberg said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
I think you would need Weber to lose, and then do they pick an 8 win Griz over an 8 win Weber...

Oh damn, I totally missed Weber - yeah they've got a seed with a win. This makes it tough for the Griz.

1. Sacramento State
2. South Dakota State
3. William & Mary
4. Incarnate Word
5. Montana State
6. Weber State
7. North Dakota State
8. Montana

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That would mean undefeated Holy Cross doesn't get a seed. Their SoS and Sagarin are really low, but man I have a hard time not seeing them get a seed.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
mtgrizfankb said:
I mean, he’s pretty clear by saying how huge of a long shot it is. Quick acting like anyone is predicting it

I don't even think it is a longshot, more of a zero shot.

Stranger things have happened. A Montana win + a cluster of upsets gets us part of the way there. Our Sagarin will be 1 or 2.

The more I think on it we'll probably also need a really unlikely upset or two as well.

4-6 NW State to beat #5 9-1 Incarnate Word
3-7 NAU to beat #7 Weber State
2-8 Georgetown to beat #6 Holy Cross

Odds of any of those happening + all of the other upsets needed really makes it a prayer. But who knows.

Obviously the main thing is that Griz need to just handle business this weekend.
 
ORRRRRRR
The Griz do a complete beatdown of the scats...say by 25 or so
that might push the Griz into a seeded position in the playoffs
IFF (if and only if) the committee truly sees things the way that they say they do.
 
Johnson plays and the Griz get a convincing victory does that favor a seed even more (if the above scenario plays out)? If people are right that the committee pays attention to injuries, one could argue that our close losses to SAC and Weber without him could have been a road W. Stretch? Yes, but anything is possible especially with the $$$$ that Montana brings
 
All I know is that I have a weird feeling that we are going to be playing Mercer in our first game in the playoffs.
It is either that or the food from Hu Hot talking...not sure which one.
 
I'm ever the optimist, but I just don't see us getting a seed unless a big win in BOZO and a LOT of help and a few prayers answered and a couple blown calls get over turned.
 
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