What One Recruit family cares about

[whitefishbear]

Seems like a few folks here comment about recruits yet haven’t actually been through the process, so here is how we look at it.
1. Does the college have my degree program... after all the point of this is to get an education.
2. What division are you in: FBS,FCS, Div 2,3 then NIAI.

Everything else is something to consider but not a high priority.... Climate, location, game experience......

Notice I didn’t mention Coaches? Anyone making a decision heavily based on coaching is making a mistake IMO, there is no guarantee how long the staff will be in place.


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Great post. Thank you!

Most fans give way too much recruiting credit to the head coach, when anyone with a kid going through the process knows that the head coach is way down the list of decision factors. The position coach is also a much bigger factor than the head coach. Does anyone recruited by Delaney not know that they would not be playing for a different head coach before they graduated?

Delaney got the tap on the shoulder & the end of season 3 & told they were going in a different direction, thanks for stepping in & time to get back to retirement. If he made home visits during any recruiting season, I'd really doubt he suggested he was just the caretaker until the next guy showed up. I also think it's naive to think the head coach is not all that important. They've usually crafted the vision & direction for the program go forward. & in Stitts case, gets pretty far into the weeds with each recruit. The parent here has great points, but I'd doubt there would have been an endorsement of their sons' commitment had their not been a like & trust of Stitt & his vision formed. You can find most of Montana's undergrad programs @ any number of schools. Witness the decline in enrollment.

So, you are basically saying that this parent is full of horse dookie, right? It is funny how fans who have never been involved in the college recruiting process have all of the answers as to what factors dictate a decision.

 

[Ringneck]

So, you are basically saying that this parent is full of horse dookie, right? It is funny how fans who have never been involved in the college recruiting process have all of the answers as to what factors dictate a decision.

So, if this is your arbitrary requirement for weighing in on the recruiting topic, are you also suggesting that we start applying this same standard of criteria as a requirement for everyone who wants to post about every topic related to the football team?

Because if so, then you think that fans who have never been involved in directing an NCAA Division 1 athletic department should keep their mouths shut about what to do with the coaching staff, right? And you also think that fans who have never coached an NCAA Division 1 football team should also not make suggestions about how to coach, recruit, game-plan, or develop players, correct?

 

[atomik235]

I have watched enough of this forum to know a lot more f you like to argue for the sake of it so it’s all good. But your arguments are mostly for situations that don’t exist, 1. does a college recruit a player that doesn’t fit their scheme? Think not. 2. Do you think there is any coach in Div 1 that is going to treat a player that is actively being recruited poorly? I haven’t met one yet. 3. Plenty of ex football players that leave without a degree or are working Walmart with a communications degree but played for the coach they wanted, not what I want for my son.


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[Grizrule16]

I disagree with atomic....

Who the coaching staff is at a program has a major impact on prospective student athletes. Why would an athlete go to a school where he does not respect or like the coaching staff, especially football players. Can you imagine how miserable you would be if you chose a school for all the above named reasons, but did not feel you would have a positive relationship with the coaching staff? Football players spend more time with the coaching staff for their 4 to 5 year career than they do with their own family. Trust me when I tell you that WHO the staff is has a huge impact on the recruits. To think any different is foolish.

It is kind of like taking a new job in the real world. If you have similar offers from similar companies I guarantee you take the one that has supervisors and owners that are good people and that you feel like you can have a good working relationship with.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

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I have watched enough of this forum to know a lot more f you like to argue for the sake of it so it’s all good. But your arguments are mostly for situations that don’t exist, 1. does a college recruit a player that doesn’t fit their scheme? Think not. 2. Do you think there is any coach in Div 1 that is going to treat a player that is actively being recruited poorly? I haven’t met one yet. 3. Plenty of ex football players that leave without a degree or are working Walmart with a communications degree but played for the coach they wanted, not what I want for my son.

As to #2, are you saying you were never called by the “trick ass” from Bozeman?


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[tnt]

I have watched enough of this forum to know a lot more f you like to argue for the sake of it so it’s all good. But your arguments are mostly for situations that don’t exist, 1. does a college recruit a player that doesn’t fit their scheme? Think not. 2. Do you think there is any coach in Div 1 that is going to treat a player that is actively being recruited poorly? I haven’t met one yet. 3. Plenty of ex football players that leave without a degree or are working Walmart with a communications degree but played for the coach they wanted, not what I want for my son.


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Well I suggest he not get a degree in communications then...........

 

[Ringneck]

I have watched enough of this forum to know a lot more f you like to argue for the sake of it so it’s all good. But your arguments are mostly for situations that don’t exist, 1. does a college recruit a player that doesn’t fit their scheme? Think not. 2. Do you think there is any coach in Div 1 that is going to treat a player that is actively being recruited poorly? I haven’t met one yet. 3. Plenty of ex football players that leave without a degree or are working Walmart with a communications degree but played for the coach they wanted, not what I want for my son.

As to #2, are you saying you were never called by the “trick ass” from Bozeman?

:lol: Hahaha, "He's new and doing foul already!"

 

[bgbigdog]

I have watched enough of this forum to know a lot more f you like to argue for the sake of it so it’s all good. But your arguments are mostly for situations that don’t exist, 1. does a college recruit a player that doesn’t fit their scheme? Think not. 2. Do you think there is any coach in Div 1 that is going to treat a player that is actively being recruited poorly? I haven’t met one yet. 3. Plenty of ex football players that leave without a degree or are working Walmart with a communications degree but played for the coach they wanted, not what I want for my son.


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I went through the process with daughters, both played @ big ten schools. I would differ as to what conditions exist & perhaps we can do that over a beer down the road. Thanks for setting everyone straight.

 

[bgbigdog]

Seems like a few folks here comment about recruits yet haven’t actually been through the process, so here is how we look at it.
1. Does the college have my degree program... after all the point of this is to get an education.
2. What division are you in: FBS,FCS, Div 2,3 then NIAI.

Everything else is something to consider but not a high priority.... Climate, location, game experience......

Notice I didn’t mention Coaches? Anyone making a decision heavily based on coaching is making a mistake IMO, there is no guarantee how long the staff will be in place.


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Great post. Thank you!

Most fans give way too much recruiting credit to the head coach, when anyone with a kid going through the process knows that the head coach is way down the list of decision factors. The position coach is also a much bigger factor than the head coach. Does anyone recruited by Delaney not know that they would not be playing for a different head coach before they graduated?

Delaney got the tap on the shoulder & the end of season 3 & told they were going in a different direction, thanks for stepping in & time to get back to retirement. If he made home visits during any recruiting season, I'd really doubt he suggested he was just the caretaker until the next guy showed up. I also think it's naive to think the head coach is not all that important. They've usually crafted the vision & direction for the program go forward. & in Stitts case, gets pretty far into the weeds with each recruit. The parent here has great points, but I'd doubt there would have been an endorsement of their sons' commitment had their not been a like & trust of Stitt & his vision formed. You can find most of Montana's undergrad programs @ any number of schools. Witness the decline in enrollment.

So, you are basically saying that this parent is full of horse dookie, right? It is funny how fans who have never been involved in the college recruiting process have all of the answers as to what factors dictate a decision.

I was unaware they PR was looking for an understudy. But were that the case, I think you’re more than qualified.

 

[argh!]

Seems like a few folks here comment about recruits yet haven’t actually been through the process, so here is how we look at it.
1. Does the college have my degree program... after all the point of this is to get an education.
2. What division are you in: FBS,FCS, Div 2,3 then NIAI.

Everything else is something to consider but not a high priority.... Climate, location, game experience......

Notice I didn’t mention Coaches? Anyone making a decision heavily based on coaching is making a mistake IMO, there is no guarantee how long the staff will be in place.


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Just because you didn't mention coaches that doesn't mean it isn't a high priority for some student athletes. Your "Top 2 list" is woefully incomplete. There are many factors that go into a student-athlete choosing their college, and each prospective student-athlete weighs the factors differently. Your top two priorities are certainly not indicative of every student-athlete.

I have known dozens of student athletes over the years and have made a point to ask them how they made their decision to attend the school they chose. Many of them - at least half of them, I'd estimate - indicated that the character, influence and/or coaching style of the head coach was a major factor in their decision.

did you read the title of the post/thread? it says what ONE FAMILY cares about. based on your asinine response, you must be stupid, a dick, or both.

 

[daGrizJ]

I have watched enough of this forum to know a lot more f you like to argue for the sake of it so it’s all good. But your arguments are mostly for situations that don’t exist, 1. does a college recruit a player that doesn’t fit their scheme? Think not. 2. Do you think there is any coach in Div 1 that is going to treat a player that is actively being recruited poorly? I haven’t met one yet. 3. Plenty of ex football players that leave without a degree or are working Walmart with a communications degree but played for the coach they wanted, not what I want for my son.


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I very much appreciate your comments on this. Didn't your son commit to the Griz?

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

Atomik, you are absolutely taking the right approach with this. Whatever anyone else thinks doesn't matter

I went through the process many years ago, and although the recruiting game has changed a ton, the coaching staff, particularly the HC and position coach is a key component on many recruits' decisions. It is important for a lot of players to know how they will be utilized. Of course there are a lot of other factors as well. Differs for everyone...

 

[atomik235]

I have watched enough of this forum to know a lot more f you like to argue for the sake of it so it’s all good. But your arguments are mostly for situations that don’t exist, 1. does a college recruit a player that doesn’t fit their scheme? Think not. 2. Do you think there is any coach in Div 1 that is going to treat a player that is actively being recruited poorly? I haven’t met one yet. 3. Plenty of ex football players that leave without a degree or are working Walmart with a communications degree but played for the coach they wanted, not what I want for my son.


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I very much appreciate your comments on this. Didn't your son commit to the Griz?

Yep


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[AZGrizFan]

Seems like a few folks here comment about recruits yet haven’t actually been through the process, so here is how we look at it.
1. Does the college have my degree program... after all the point of this is to get an education.
2. What division are you in: FBS,FCS, Div 2,3 then NIAI.

Everything else is something to consider but not a high priority.... Climate, location, game experience......

Notice I didn’t mention Coaches? Anyone making a decision heavily based on coaching is making a mistake IMO, there is no guarantee how long the staff will be in place.


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Just because you didn't mention coaches that doesn't mean it isn't a high priority for some student athletes. Your "Top 2 list" is woefully incomplete. There are many factors that go into a student-athlete choosing their college, and each prospective student-athlete weighs the factors differently. Your top two priorities are certainly not indicative of every student-athlete.

I have known dozens of student athletes over the years and have made a point to ask them how they made their decision to attend the school they chose. Many of them - at least half of them, I'd estimate - indicated that the character, influence and/or coaching style of the head coach was a major factor in their decision.

I believe tha'ts precisely what the OP said. Title of the thread says WHAT ONE RECRUIT FAMILY CARES ABOUT....then the OP gave their opinion that a player making the decision based on the HC is making a mistake IN THEIR OPINION.

 

[Ringneck]

Seems like a few folks here comment about recruits yet haven’t actually been through the process, so here is how we look at it.
1. Does the college have my degree program... after all the point of this is to get an education.
2. What division are you in: FBS,FCS, Div 2,3 then NIAI.

Everything else is something to consider but not a high priority.... Climate, location, game experience......

Notice I didn’t mention Coaches? Anyone making a decision heavily based on coaching is making a mistake IMO, there is no guarantee how long the staff will be in place.


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Just because you didn't mention coaches that doesn't mean it isn't a high priority for some student athletes. Your "Top 2 list" is woefully incomplete. There are many factors that go into a student-athlete choosing their college, and each prospective student-athlete weighs the factors differently. Your top two priorities are certainly not indicative of every student-athlete.

I have known dozens of student athletes over the years and have made a point to ask them how they made their decision to attend the school they chose. Many of them - at least half of them, I'd estimate - indicated that the character, influence and/or coaching style of the head coach was a major factor in their decision.

did you read the title of the post/thread? it says what ONE FAMILY cares about. based on your asinine response, you must be stupid, a dick, or both.

Of course I read the title of the thread. I'm not questioning what the OP and his family felt was the best choice for them in their situation. What I am challenging is his insinuation (assumed from the comment "anyone making a decision heavily based on coaching is making a mistake") that having different priorities than his own is wrong. Particularly, that placing a high priority on the coaching staff is the wrong way to choose a college football program. And what I'm saying is, he doesn't speak for everyone on this issue.

For another perspective on this same issue, read some of the posts by "tnt" and how his family went through the recruiting process. To his family, it appears that the way the coaching staff treated his son was a priority.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I have watched enough of this forum to know a lot more f you like to argue for the sake of it so it’s all good. But your arguments are mostly for situations that don’t exist, 1. does a college recruit a player that doesn’t fit their scheme? Think not. 2. Do you think there is any coach in Div 1 that is going to treat a player that is actively being recruited poorly? I haven’t met one yet. 3. Plenty of ex football players that leave without a degree or are working Walmart with a communications degree but played for the coach they wanted, not what I want for my son.


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Mic drop

/end thread.

 

[argh!]

Seems like a few folks here comment about recruits yet haven’t actually been through the process, so here is how we look at it.
1. Does the college have my degree program... after all the point of this is to get an education.
2. What division are you in: FBS,FCS, Div 2,3 then NIAI.

Everything else is something to consider but not a high priority.... Climate, location, game experience......

Notice I didn’t mention Coaches? Anyone making a decision heavily based on coaching is making a mistake IMO, there is no guarantee how long the staff will be in place.


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Just because you didn't mention coaches that doesn't mean it isn't a high priority for some student athletes. Your "Top 2 list" is woefully incomplete. There are many factors that go into a student-athlete choosing their college, and each prospective student-athlete weighs the factors differently. Your top two priorities are certainly not indicative of every student-athlete.

I have known dozens of student athletes over the years and have made a point to ask them how they made their decision to attend the school they chose. Many of them - at least half of them, I'd estimate - indicated that the character, influence and/or coaching style of the head coach was a major factor in their decision.

did you read the title of the post/thread? it says what ONE FAMILY cares about. based on your asinine response, you must be stupid, a dick, or both.

Of course I read the title of the thread. I'm not questioning what the OP and his family felt was the best choice for them in their situation. What I am challenging is his insinuation (assumed from the comment "anyone making a decision heavily based on coaching is making a mistake") that having different priorities than his own is wrong. Particularly, that placing a high priority on the coaching staff is the wrong way to choose a college football program. And what I'm saying is, he doesn't speak for everyone on this issue.

For another perspective on this same issue, read some of the posts by "tnt" and how his family went through the recruiting process. To his family, it appears that the way the coaching staff treated his son was a priority.

didn't think he did, but fair enough, maybe my response was too harsh.

 

[Ringneck]

Just because you didn't mention coaches that doesn't mean it isn't a high priority for some student athletes. Your "Top 2 list" is woefully incomplete. There are many factors that go into a student-athlete choosing their college, and each prospective student-athlete weighs the factors differently. Your top two priorities are certainly not indicative of every student-athlete.

I have known dozens of student athletes over the years and have made a point to ask them how they made their decision to attend the school they chose. Many of them - at least half of them, I'd estimate - indicated that the character, influence and/or coaching style of the head coach was a major factor in their decision.

did you read the title of the post/thread? it says what ONE FAMILY cares about. based on your asinine response, you must be stupid, a dick, or both.

Of course I read the title of the thread. I'm not questioning what the OP and his family felt was the best choice for them in their situation. What I am challenging is his insinuation (assumed from the comment "anyone making a decision heavily based on coaching is making a mistake") that having different priorities than his own is wrong. Particularly, that placing a high priority on the coaching staff is the wrong way to choose a college football program. And what I'm saying is, he doesn't speak for everyone on this issue.

For another perspective on this same issue, read some of the posts by "tnt" and how his family went through the recruiting process. To his family, it appears that the way the coaching staff treated his son was a priority.

didn't think he did, but fair enough, maybe my response was too harsh.

Thanks, I appreciate that. :thumb:
And perhaps I'm misunderstanding what the OP meant. I read it as, "this is what we think is important, and if you think others things are a priority, you're wrong; they're not important." I meant no disrespect toward him, I just disagreed with that line of reasoning. :twocents:

 

[AZGrizFan]

did you read the title of the post/thread? it says what ONE FAMILY cares about. based on your asinine response, you must be stupid, a dick, or both.

Of course I read the title of the thread. I'm not questioning what the OP and his family felt was the best choice for them in their situation. What I am challenging is his insinuation (assumed from the comment "anyone making a decision heavily based on coaching is making a mistake") that having different priorities than his own is wrong. Particularly, that placing a high priority on the coaching staff is the wrong way to choose a college football program. And what I'm saying is, he doesn't speak for everyone on this issue.

For another perspective on this same issue, read some of the posts by "tnt" and how his family went through the recruiting process. To his family, it appears that the way the coaching staff treated his son was a priority.

didn't think he did, but fair enough, maybe my response was too harsh.

Thanks, I appreciate that. :thumb:
And perhaps I'm misunderstanding what the OP meant. I read it as, "this is what we think is important, and if you think others things are a priority, you're wrong; they're not important." I meant no disrespect toward him, I just disagreed with that line of reasoning. :twocents:

Yeah, they seemed pretty clear that they were stating what THEY felt was important, and it was presented as their opinion...clearly other recruits/parents priority lists could be and likely are different.

 

[whitefishbear]

I am sure that this parent of a Griz recruit now understands completely how many all-knowing all-omniscient fans make up the Griz fan base. All he has to do is make a post expressing his personal views on a topic experienced by his family and his son, and he is immediately educated about what he should be feeling, instead of what he is feeling. Very impressive guys!

The stupidest posts are those trying to suggest that some head coaches don't try hard to sell the positives of their program. I want to meet one of those coaches...... probably in some bar somewhere since he obviously will no longer be a head coach.