What level is acceptable for Griz fans?

[Boscoe]

I was pretty sure we were not going to win the Weber game. Yes, losing sucks. I went into the Washington game thinking we were not going to win and it still hurt. But emotions do not lead to good decisions.

The Griz are playing with a very young roster, a secondary that got torched by the best QB in the conference, and a freshman QB. 9-2 is a lot to ask of that right now. We will get to a point where that is the minimum, but we are not there yet.

I'm still confident in this staff and the future. I want some damn stability in this program.

:thumb: :thumb:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Stewart Stadium, or, "The Stew", as it's called, is a pretty nice facility. In a conference with three sheds (soon to be four), a soccer stadium, and an oil filter overlooking a red eyesore, The Stew is pretty far down my list of suckage. I actually rank it T-2 in the conference with RHS because, while smaller, it's a lot better setting than the modular mess in Bozeman. Indeed, when the prevailing wind shifts, RHS is the shittiest stadium in the nation.

 

[kemajic]

I want some damn stability in this program.

I fear some folks want this so much it clouds their reality. There is a lot of denial re. some pretty significant hurdles to us consistently winning.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I want some damn stability in this program.

I fear some folks wanted a different coach so much it clouds their reality. There is a lot of denial re: what a new coach could actually do right now to makes changes that would result in us consistently winning.

(Forgive me if this continues to sound extremely vague and ambiguous without any specific examples, but you'll just have to trust that "I know some things.")

 

[bgbigdog]

Some maybe have forgotten that it’s a year removed from a total collapse, & a humiliation of the first order in losing to state Ag. Bob’s a lot of coach speak but when he forgets that filter, you get candid comments like sometimes needing to wait for graduation. That wasn’t something I’d hoped to hear.

Clearly as witnessed by last Saturday, they’re a team again. Not always on the same page, but they aren’t going to quit & that’s what I needed to see. I’m sure he’ll be back, barring unforeseen circumstances over the next three weeks. Whether it’s the start of a long successful coaching run or his last season won’t be because he didn’t have his guys, the requisite amount of time to build his program or poor facilities. It will be on him.

 

[PlayerRep]

Stability would be great, but it's not an overriding factor. Having the right/best coach to lead UM back to the top is the critical factor. Is it Stitt or not? To me, he's here now, so decisions need to be based on how the season went and how it goes from here. I am rooting for Stitt because I am rooting for the team--and I like Stitt and his coaches. Also, I just can't imagine that Stitt and his staff are not good coaches. If the team does well, then Stitt, as the skipper, will get an extension. The proof will be in the pudding.

 

[fanofzoo]

Stability would be great, but it's not an overriding factor. Having the right/best coach to lead UM back to the top is the critical factor. Is it Stitt or not? To me, he's here now, so decisions need to be based on how the season went and how it goes from here. I am rooting for Stitt because I am rooting for the team--and I like Stitt and his coaches. Also, I just can't imagine that Stitt and his staff are not good coaches. If the team does well, then Stitt, as the skipper, will get an extension. The proof will be in the pudding.

I will go with everything, until the correction and after, the middle part I am having trouble with.

 

[whitefishbear]

While reading the many comments supporting Bob Stitt and the future of our program, it has become obvious that there are two camps in Griz Nation. One camp seems to be satisfied by taking baby steps toward being a national power once again, and always seems to find positive things from losses like the Weber game, even though the game was over at halftime, and we still lost by 14.
The second camp wants to see us go deep into the playoffs this season, and to return NOW to being a national power once again.

My question is..... which camp are you in? If you are in the first camp, are you willing to accept the fact that we are not, nor are unlikely to be, a national power in the near future? If expectations for the fan base becomes mollified, I assure you the program will seek that level and stay there.

Until we demand a better product on Saturdays, nothing will change. We enjoy way too many recruiting advances to be sitting as the #6 place team in the big sky, and unrated nationally. But if that is good enough for the masses, then that what we will continue to be.

While watching the Weber game, I could not help but notice the many empty seats in their glorified high school stadium, and the fact that they were able to recruit athletes to play in that stadium which were good enough to beat us by 14 points was very troubling to me. It is the same situation all over the Big Sky. Yet we continue to remain a middle-of-the-pack team. We are either being out-recruited for talent, or being severely out-coached (or both). Until Griz fans come to terms with these facts, nothing will change.

What "baby steps" do you speak of?

Defense is as awful as it has been in a long time, ST look no better than the day stitthead got here, offense is predicated on having a QB play at an all BSC first team level, all the while having little to no power run game and an inability to make the simple plays.

Only baby steps I see is from stitthead & co pooping down their own legs over and over again

Oh, the baby steps are the silver linings that fans seem to find from games in which we stunk out the place, such as thinking that our defense has finally arrived, based on the second half of the Weber game, while conveniently forgetting the fact that Weber scored on every drive in the first half, or that our defense is ranked near the bottom of the Big Sky.

 

[sdk.catfish]

Stop_HammerTime69 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:59 pm
I want some damn stability in this program.

Could you elaborate on why you wan't "damn stability"? And if that is what you really want, what is it about 3 years of no conference championships, 8-3, 6-5 and a likely 7-4 record over the past 3 years that doesn't seem stable to you? Do you associate instability with failure and losing?

In many fields, especially the tech field which I worked in for almost 30 years, instability is a driver for innovation, creativity, and moving forward in new and positive directions. You are young, I'm "older". I would hope that you could more easily embrace change than some of the older clan. Your skin can rot in the same dank water for years or you can make some waves and drain the pond or build a boat to get you out.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

When did I ever say Montana didn't have nicer facilities and better support :?:

Would you feel complimented if I came on here after a basketball game and said something like......"How Can Montana recruit good players to play in that half empty glorified high school gym?"

Tell me does that sound like a compliment to you?

The comment about your stadium is the truth and you agree. its not belittling if you agree with what he is saying. and the comment about your team is the compliment. It's really not that complicated.

Uh. . .no it's not and no I don't, I don't think a 17,500 seat Stewart Stadium is a glorified High School Stadium.

That is the point I am trying to make. Belittling a Stadium because it's BARELY smaller than yours is really childish.


And I am still waiting for an answer to my question.

If we're sticking to facts here..your stadium isn't BARELY smaller....its about 10k people smaller....basically the difference in stadium capacity is larger than the amount of people that show up to watch your football games....

Numbers are fun.

The number is actually 7,717. That is how much larger your stadium is than ours. On a Stadium scale I WOULD call that barely.

That is the equivalent of about this.

Your right, numbers are fun

 

[go96griz]

The comment about your stadium is the truth and you agree. its not belittling if you agree with what he is saying. and the comment about your team is the compliment. It's really not that complicated.

Uh. . .no it's not and no I don't, I don't think a 17,500 seat Stewart Stadium is a glorified High School Stadium.

That is the point I am trying to make. Belittling a Stadium because it's BARELY smaller than yours is really childish.


And I am still waiting for an answer to my question.

If we're sticking to facts here..your stadium isn't BARELY smaller....its about 10k people smaller....basically the difference in stadium capacity is larger than the amount of people that show up to watch your football games....

Numbers are fun.

The number is actually 7,717. That is how much larger your stadium is than ours. On a Stadium scale I WOULD call that barely.

That is the equivalent of about this.

Your right, numbers are fun

You're right 50% larger is almost the same.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The comment about your stadium is the truth and you agree. its not belittling if you agree with what he is saying. and the comment about your team is the compliment. It's really not that complicated.

Uh. . .no it's not and no I don't, I don't think a 17,500 seat Stewart Stadium is a glorified High School Stadium.

That is the point I am trying to make. Belittling a Stadium because it's BARELY smaller than yours is really childish.


And I am still waiting for an answer to my question.

If we're sticking to facts here..your stadium isn't BARELY smaller....its about 10k people smaller....basically the difference in stadium capacity is larger than the amount of people that show up to watch your football games....

Numbers are fun.

The number is actually 7,717. That is how much larger your stadium is than ours. On a Stadium scale I WOULD call that barely.

That is the equivalent of about this.

Your right, numbers are fun

I'm with you 100%, WCF. The Stew has a lot going for it with the mountains, decent capacity, pretty good weather, etc. The press/luxury box complex looks like something out of a Wes Anderson film, but that's a "love it or hate it" kind of thing. It's a solid T-2 in the BSC for me.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

Uh. . .no it's not and no I don't, I don't think a 17,500 seat Stewart Stadium is a glorified High School Stadium.

That is the point I am trying to make. Belittling a Stadium because it's BARELY smaller than yours is really childish.


And I am still waiting for an answer to my question.

If we're sticking to facts here..your stadium isn't BARELY smaller....its about 10k people smaller....basically the difference in stadium capacity is larger than the amount of people that show up to watch your football games....

Numbers are fun.

The number is actually 7,717. That is how much larger your stadium is than ours. On a Stadium scale I WOULD call that barely.

That is the equivalent of about this.

Your right, numbers are fun

You're right 50% larger is almost the same.

It's just a little bit larger than half of one of our sides.

Now Im in no means trying to dog on WaGriz, its a stellar facility. Just defending my school's stadium from misinformed haters. Stewart Stadium is no WaGriz, but it's far from being a sucky stadium.

 

[garizzalies]

My grandma used to always say, “there’s an ass for every seat.” Although that may be the case for the dweeber fan in this thread, it’s not true for their stadium. I’ve never seen it more than half full. Instead of comparing capacity, we should compare average attendance. Isn't that what really matters?
Also, any stadium with a track around it is a glorified high school stadium. I don’t care how many “asses” it can accommodate.
Finally, dweeber, what’s with your avatar pic? Looks like a sonogram for a fetus. Weird and creepy

 

[get'em_griz]

Stadium smack... gotta love it.

And for the record, Stewart Stadium is a pretty good venue to watch a football game compared to other Big Sky venues (minus the damn train horn WSU always sounded over the PC... that was annoying as S###!)

Having been to every away game this year, I'd rank WSU's stadium toward the top of Big Sky venues I've been to.

1) MSU
2) WSU
3) ISU
4) EWU

 

[WILDCATFAN]

Stadium smack... gotta love it.

And for the record, Stewart Stadium is a pretty good venue to watch a football game compared to other Big Sky venues (minus the damn train horn WSU always sounded over the PC... that was annoying as S###!)

Having been to every away game this year, I'd rank WSU's stadium toward the top of Big Sky venues I've been to.

1) MSU
2) WSU
3) ISU
4) EWU

The Train horn actually comes a large machine that sits on the southern side of the stadium, it was brought in last year and has been used to celebrate touchdowns and other significant plays (turnovers etc.) It's a way Weber highlights Ogden's history as a railroad city. :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

While reading the many comments supporting Bob Stitt and the future of our program, it has become obvious that there are two camps in Griz Nation. One camp seems to be satisfied by taking baby steps toward being a national power once again, and always seems to find positive things from losses like the Weber game, even though the game was over at halftime, and we still lost by 14.
The second camp wants to see us go deep into the playoffs this season, and to return NOW to being a national power once again.

My question is..... which camp are you in? If you are in the first camp, are you willing to accept the fact that we are not, nor are unlikely to be, a national power in the near future? If expectations for the fan base becomes mollified, I assure you the program will seek that level and stay there.

Until we demand a better product on Saturdays, nothing will change. We enjoy way too many recruiting advances to be sitting as the #6 place team in the big sky, and unrated nationally. But if that is good enough for the masses, then that what we will continue to be.

While watching the Weber game, I could not help but notice the many empty seats in their glorified high school stadium, and the fact that they were able to recruit athletes to play in that stadium which were good enough to beat us by 14 points was very troubling to me. It is the same situation all over the Big Sky. Yet we continue to remain a middle-of-the-pack team. We are either being out-recruited for talent, or being severely out-coached (or both). Until Griz fans come to terms with these facts, nothing will change.

What "baby steps" do you speak of?

Defense is as awful as it has been in a long time, ST look no better than the day stitthead got here, offense is predicated on having a QB play at an all BSC first team level, all the while having little to no power run game and an inability to make the simple plays.

Only baby steps I see is from stitthead & co pooping down their own legs over and over again

Oh, the baby steps are the silver linings that fans seem to find from games in which we stunk out the place, such as thinking that our defense has finally arrived, based on the second half of the Weber game, while conveniently forgetting the fact that Weber scored on every drive in the first half, or that our defense is ranked near the bottom of the Big Sky.

Who has said the D has finally arrived? Feel free to quote such a post.

The D played very well in the 2d half against Weber, and well overall in the Weber game. Also, played well in the prior game. So, two good games in a row. Why is it so hard to recognize that?

In the first half, Weber got a FG in the first drive, 8 plays, 43 yards. A TD in a 45 yard drive after a weak punt. A TD in a 36 yard drive after an interception (that one is mostly on the O, not the D). A TD in an 8 yard drive after the fumble of the KO (that one isn't on the D). An 83 yard TD (that's on the D). A FG after a 43 yard drive.

So, really 2 FG's and 2 TD's on the D, and then nothing the rest of the game. I say the D really gave up only 20 points, and one of those was a short field TD. Little help from the O in the first half too.

UM is 8th in scoring defense and 8th in total defense, out of 13 teams. Not so good, but that is hardly near the bottom.

Again, when are you going to start rooting for the Griz?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Stadium smack... gotta love it.

And for the record, Stewart Stadium is a pretty good venue to watch a football game compared to other Big Sky venues (minus the damn train horn WSU always sounded over the PC... that was annoying as S###!)

Having been to every away game this year, I'd rank WSU's stadium toward the top of Big Sky venues I've been to.

1) MSU
2) WSU
3) ISU
4) EWU

In the BSC, would you go T-2 on The Stew? I'm a T-2 Stewer looking to form a club.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

My grandma used to always say, “there’s an ass for every seat.” Although that may be the case for the dweeber fan in this thread, it’s not true for their stadium. I’ve never seen it more than half full. Instead of comparing capacity, we should compare average attendance. Isn't that what really matters?
Also, any stadium with a track around it is a glorified high school stadium. I don’t care how many “asses” it can accommodate.
Finally, dweeber, what’s with your avatar pic? Looks like a sonogram for a fetus. Weird and creepy

Maybe this will help clarify for you

The Cat Paw is a secondary logo Weber State athletics uses

And Im sure you were just trying to get a negative reaction from me but you'll get an honest answer instead. :thumb:

 

[hilinegrizfan]

WCF, go home