What kind of team are we?

[Sam A. Blitz]

I think many of you are trying to paint yourselves as objective by being over-negative. Many of you are critical of the coaching staff and players and really don't know 1% of what they know about football or their ability to be successful on Saturdays.

It doesn't matter what the team does. They lose the championship game of the playoffs and people jump on here screaming for heads to roll and start throwing blame on the players not wrapping up, dropping a pass, or allowing a sack. Funny thing is many of those who do that wouldn't know how to put pads on much less inform any player about the game of football.

I get that this is a fan board and whining comes with the territory, but it's also a reason many knowledgeable football fans don't post here. You guys need to chill out and give this team a chance. By being only negative, you really show that you can't be truly objective and aren't knowledgeable enough about the game to identify the strengths of this team and what they have done well.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I think many of you are trying to paint yourselves as objective by being over-negative. Many of you are critical of the coaching staff and players and really don't know 1% of what they know about football or their ability to be successful on Saturdays.

It doesn't matter what the team does. They lose the championship game of the playoffs and people jump on here screaming for heads to roll and start throwing blame on the players not wrapping up, dropping a pass, or allowing a sack. Funny thing is many of those who do that wouldn't know how to put pads on much less inform any player about the game of football.

I get that this is a fan board and whining comes with the territory, but it's also a reason many knowledgeable football fans don't post here. You guys need to chill out and give this team a chance. By being only negative, you really show that you can't be truly objective and aren't knowledgeable enough about the game to identify the strengths of this team and what they have done well.

:lol: :roll:

 

[Raider]

....you can roll your eyes all you want AZ, but that post by Sam was dead-on.

The problem is that you guys spend so much time on e-griz that you develop this groupthink mentality, and most of the time it leads in one direction.

His comment about negativity vs. objectivity was spot on.

 

[AZGrizFan]

....you can roll your eyes all you want AZ, but that post by Sam was dead-on.

The problem is that you guys spend so much time on e-griz that you develop this groupthink mentality, and most of the time it leads in one direction.

His comment about negativity vs. objectivity was spot on.

How is posting facts about our stadium/loss rate equate to "negativity"?

 

[PlayerRep]

....you can roll your eyes all you want AZ, but that post by Sam was dead-on.

The problem is that you guys spend so much time on e-griz that you develop this groupthink mentality, and most of the time it leads in one direction.

His comment about negativity vs. objectivity was spot on.

I agree, Raider. Very good and accurate post by Sam. The negativity/objectivity part is correct. While Sam's post was more politic than some of mine, this has been my view all along. On the other hand, AZ is a pretty good poster and often provides research and good information. He's not one of the offending posters.

 

[argh!]

sounds to me like greenie, raider, and sam are engaging in groupthink.

 

[grizcountry420]

sounds to me like greenie, raider, and sam are engaging in groupthink.

It also sounds like Sam use to be a linebacker that loved blitzing the A Gaps.. He obviously played the game too...

 

[Raider]

....you can roll your eyes all you want AZ, but that post by Sam was dead-on.

The problem is that you guys spend so much time on e-griz that you develop this groupthink mentality, and most of the time it leads in one direction.

His comment about negativity vs. objectivity was spot on.

How is posting facts about our stadium/loss rate equate to "negativity"?

Jeez man, are you all there? Where in Sam's post did it say anything about stadium/loss rates?

I was commenting on his view of negativity/objectivity, which was a spot on point.

I am still trying to comprehend your bizarre "mystique" post in this thread. Wow!

 

[Raider]

sounds to me like greenie, raider, and sam are engaging in groupthink.

Go shit in your hat, and don't group me in there.....

Some of you turds are so weak that your only rebuttal is to try and lump people in with PR. Weak.

 

[AZGrizFan]

....you can roll your eyes all you want AZ, but that post by Sam was dead-on.

The problem is that you guys spend so much time on e-griz that you develop this groupthink mentality, and most of the time it leads in one direction.

His comment about negativity vs. objectivity was spot on.

How is posting facts about our stadium/loss rate equate to "negativity"?

Jeez man, are you all there? Where in Sam's post did it say anything about stadium/loss rates?

I was commenting on his view of negativity/objectivity, which was a spot on point.

I am still trying to comprehend your bizarre "mystique" post in this thread. Wow!

I'm sorry that's so difficult for you to comprehend. :?

 

[Raider]

Of that I'm not so sure...we're a lot like Tiger. He was invincible for about 10-12 years, and people were in awe of him on the golf course. Teams were in awe of the Griz on the football field, especially in Wa/Griz. That's definitely not the case any more (with Tiger OR the Griz), and I'm not sure it's something you can easily recapture.

Interesting analogy w/Tiger and I see your point.

However, Tiger doesn’t have the ability to get a younger version of him back out there. He is battling time more than anything. The Griz have the ability to recruit, and contrary to some of the naysayers on this board, UM is still a destination spot. We have the broadest fans base for the FCS level and one of the only recruiting weakness we have (facilities) is on the mend. Great things are ahead.

I hear you. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuut, mystique is more than just the name of your favorite stripper....just like Tiger we HAD it, we LOST it, and it isn't so easily gained back. The mere THOUGHT of coming into Wa/Griz and having to play the Griz used to make players piss themselves...week in and week out, you could watch teams get rattled, self-destruct, etc., under the awesome power of Wa/Griz and the 26,000 screaming fans.

Now? The MSU f***[*] BOBCATS haven't lost here in two straight trips. EWU and CCU made us look pedestrian last year, and that was a 10-3 season! NAU embarrassed us in 2012, a season in which we were just 3-3 at home. We are just 7-5 against EWU in the last 12 years, 7-5 against MSU the last 12 years and 0-2 against NAU in the last 2 and 5 of those 7 combined losses were in Wa/Griz--that NEVER happened from '86-'11. Teams that we used to handle with ease (Cal Poly, EWU, NAU, MSU) now routinely give us fits and beat us. This hasn't been a 2-year decline...this started about 2002-2003 and has just been exacerbated by the coaching upheaval we experienced in 2011-2012.

COULD we get it back? Possibly....but I have a distinct feeling it'll be like the "glory days" from high school we all fondly look back upon....I just don't think we'll ever be able to recapture the magic of that unbelievable run from '95-'09 we all we able to be a part of. No dominant team--not Nebraska, not University of Miami, not USC, not anybody--has been able to truly recapture their glory days after they lost them. Alabama might be the latest example to add to that group...

I know I am wasting my breath here, but what the hell.......

1. You say that the Griz are 7-5 against MSU in the last 12 years. I love how people on this board randomly break out whatever timeline fits their argument. I could counter by saying the Griz are 6-2 versus MSU in the last 8 years. Those two cat wins came in 2010/2012, and I think we all know the story those years. In reality, the only team in the BSC that has caught/surpassed the Griz is EWU.

2. This whole issue of other team being afraid or in awe of the Griz during a certain time is a fallacy. It sounds good for message board fodder, but it doesn’t translate to what actually happens on the field. Sorry, it just doesn’t.

3. The programs you mention, I.e. USC, Miami completely contradict you own argument. Those programs have all sustained long periods of excellence; periods where they were down, and then back up again. USC is a perfect example. Basically you are saying that once a program is down, it is down for good. That is just factually incorrect. Sorry man, but that was a bad example.

4. You say this “decline” started in 2002-2003 and in the very next paragraph you talk about the “magical” run from 1995-2009. You do realize that those timelines overlap right? So, which is it? The reality is that the Griz have had two rough years: 2010, in the transition from Bobby to Robin, and 2012 for very obvious reasons.

Have the Griz taken a step back in “dominance”? Sure they have. All strong programs do at some point. That is all I am saying. You guys are exaggerating how dominant the Griz where at one point, and in turn are exaggerating how much they have declined.

No offense here, but most of you guys spend way, way too much time on e-griz and really don’t understand the reality of what is going on. As a result, most of you just pile on with the common opinion of e-griz at the time. Sorry, but that is a fact.

You seem like a good dude, and I am not trying to be a dick.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Have the Griz taken a step back in “dominance”? Sure they have. All strong programs do at some point. That is all I am saying. You guys are exaggerating how dominant the Griz where at one point, and in turn are exaggerating how much they have declined.

And that is all I'm saying as well. Being a "good" program (which I think the Griz are, still) and being a DOMINANT program are two different things. We WERE dominant. Now we're good. Much like the FBS teams I mentioned WERE dominant, now remain just good (at least most years).

It's hard to exaggerate 13 straight BSC titles and 17 straight playoff trips, or no recruiting class since 1991 having NOT played in an NC game, or 7 NC appearances in 14 years. Those are facts you can't exaggerate. We aren't that "dominant" team any more...and all I'm saying is, much like Tiger, Tyson, or the FBS teams I mentioned, once you lose it it's virtually impossible to regain it. So, I hope ya'll enjoyed the ride--I know I sure did. Just don't expect to ever rise to that level of dominance again....doesn't make it a BAD thing, or me a bad fan. Just realistic.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Have the Griz taken a step back in “dominance”? Sure they have. All strong programs do at some point. That is all I am saying. You guys are exaggerating how dominant the Griz where at one point, and in turn are exaggerating how much they have declined.

And that is all I'm saying as well. Being a "good" program (which I think the Griz are, still) and being a DOMINANT program are two different things. We WERE dominant. Now we're good. Much like the FBS teams I mentioned WERE dominant, now remain just good (at least most years).

It's hard to exaggerate 13 straight BSC titles and 17 straight playoff trips, or no recruiting class since 1991 having NOT played in an NC game, or 7 NC appearances in 14 years. Those are facts you can't exaggerate. We aren't that "dominant" team any more...and all I'm saying is, much like Tiger, Tyson, or the FBS teams I mentioned, once you lose it it's virtually impossible to regain it. So, I hope ya'll enjoyed the ride--I know I sure did. Just don't expect to ever rise to that level of dominance again....doesn't make it a BAD thing, or me a bad fan. Just realistic.

Great back and forth posting by you two. But IMO you seem to be saying the same things. Maybe a fact here or there is different. The Griz program is down from where it was five plus years ago. That is obvious. Can the program regain it's dominance? Sure it can. Will it? Who knows. I think with the current university leadership it will be more difficult to climb back to that past level of dominance but that doesn't mean it CAN'T happen. This year's team is still an 8 or 9 win team IMO. Are the Griz going to beat NDSU or EWU? Probably not. Will they be fighting for a conference tittle? Yes. Much like last year, they should be in the mix.

 

[monte is a character]

Have the Griz taken a step back in “dominance”? Sure they have. All strong programs do at some point. That is all I am saying. You guys are exaggerating how dominant the Griz where at one point, and in turn are exaggerating how much they have declined.

And that is all I'm saying as well. Being a "good" program (which I think the Griz are, still) and being a DOMINANT program are two different things. We WERE dominant. Now we're good. Much like the FBS teams I mentioned WERE dominant, now remain just good (at least most years).

It's hard to exaggerate 13 straight BSC titles and 17 straight playoff trips, or no recruiting class since 1991 having NOT played in an NC game, or 7 NC appearances in 14 years. Those are facts you can't exaggerate. We aren't that "dominant" team any more...and all I'm saying is, much like Tiger, Tyson, or the FBS teams I mentioned, once you lose it it's virtually impossible to regain it. So, I hope ya'll enjoyed the ride--I know I sure did. Just don't expect to ever rise to that level of dominance again....doesn't make it a BAD thing, or me a bad fan. Just realistic.

Great back and forth posting by you two. But IMO you seem to be saying the same things. Maybe a fact here or there is different. The Griz program is down from where it was five plus years ago. That is obvious. Can the program regain it's dominance? Sure it can. Will it? Who knows. I think with the current university leadership it will be more difficult to climb back to that past level of dominance but that doesn't mean it CAN'T happen. This year's team is still an 8 or 9 win team IMO. Are the Griz going to beat NDSU or EWU? Probably not. Will they be fighting for a conference tittle? Yes. Much like last year, they should be in the mix.

Predicting with my head, and not with my heart, I think we lose to EWU and NDSU. We beat Central WA, South Dakota, North Dakota, N. Colorado, and UC Davis. But I think the remaining games are toss-ups (Poly, Sac. State, S. Utah, MSU). I think the best we can do is 9-3, and the worst is 6-6. My guess is that our record will be 8-4.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

sounds to me like greenie, raider, and sam are engaging in groupthink.

Go shit in your hat.

This made me laugh. Fine work.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Have the Griz taken a step back in “dominance”? Sure they have. All strong programs do at some point. That is all I am saying. You guys are exaggerating how dominant the Griz where at one point, and in turn are exaggerating how much they have declined.

And that is all I'm saying as well. Being a "good" program (which I think the Griz are, still) and being a DOMINANT program are two different things. We WERE dominant. Now we're good. Much like the FBS teams I mentioned WERE dominant, now remain just good (at least most years).

It's hard to exaggerate 13 straight BSC titles and 17 straight playoff trips, or no recruiting class since 1991 having NOT played in an NC game, or 7 NC appearances in 14 years. Those are facts you can't exaggerate. We aren't that "dominant" team any more...and all I'm saying is, much like Tiger, Tyson, or the FBS teams I mentioned, once you lose it it's virtually impossible to regain it. So, I hope ya'll enjoyed the ride--I know I sure did. Just don't expect to ever rise to that level of dominance again....doesn't make it a BAD thing, or me a bad fan. Just realistic.

Great back and forth posting by you two. But IMO you seem to be saying the same things. Maybe a fact here or there is different. The Griz program is down from where it was five plus years ago. That is obvious. Can the program regain it's dominance? Sure it can. Will it? Who knows. I think with the current university leadership it will be more difficult to climb back to that past level of dominance but that doesn't mean it CAN'T happen. This year's team is still an 8 or 9 win team IMO. Are the Griz going to beat NDSU or EWU? Probably not. Will they be fighting for a conference tittle? Yes. Much like last year, they should be in the mix.

Bingo. :twisted:

 

[poorgriz]

Have the Griz taken a step back in “dominance”? Sure they have. All strong programs do at some point. That is all I am saying. You guys are exaggerating how dominant the Griz where at one point, and in turn are exaggerating how much they have declined.

And that is all I'm saying as well. Being a "good" program (which I think the Griz are, still) and being a DOMINANT program are two different things. We WERE dominant. Now we're good. Much like the FBS teams I mentioned WERE dominant, now remain just good (at least most years).

It's hard to exaggerate 13 straight BSC titles and 17 straight playoff trips, or no recruiting class since 1991 having NOT played in an NC game, or 7 NC appearances in 14 years. Those are facts you can't exaggerate. We aren't that "dominant" team any more...and all I'm saying is, much like Tiger, Tyson, or the FBS teams I mentioned, once you lose it it's virtually impossible to regain it. So, I hope ya'll enjoyed the ride--I know I sure did. Just don't expect to ever rise to that level of dominance again....doesn't make it a BAD thing, or me a bad fan. Just realistic.

Great back and forth posting by you two. But IMO you seem to be saying the same things. Maybe a fact here or there is different. The Griz program is down from where it was five plus years ago. That is obvious. Can the program regain it's dominance? Sure it can. Will it? Who knows. I think with the current university leadership it will be more difficult to climb back to that past level of dominance but that doesn't mean it CAN'T happen. This year's team is still an 8 or 9 win team IMO. Are the Griz going to beat NDSU or EWU? Probably not. Will they be fighting for a conference tittle? Yes. Much like last year, they should be in the mix.

Predicting with my head, and not with my heart, I think we lose to EWU and NDSU. We beat Central WA, South Dakota, North Dakota, N. Colorado, and UC Davis. But I think the remaining games are toss-ups (Poly, Sac. State, S. Utah, MSU). I think the best we can do is 9-3, and the worst is 6-6. My guess is that our record will be 8-4.

Ya, that is a very good and accurate prediction IMO. The only thing I would question is whether or not you win 4 of the 5 "toss up" games, but then again last year you were able to do just that in that you squeaked out W's in 4 of your 5 super close games so who knows? Although that was with a proven rock solid O line so it's all a question mark at this point.

 

[pussycatkillerz]

Let me see if I'm following

So Montana has 2 bad seasons in the last quarter century for obvious reasons and the program will never regain its dominance because of Mike Tyson and TigerWoods?...

 

[grizatwork]

Let me see if I'm following

So Montana has 2 bad seasons in the last quarter century for obvious reasons and the program will never regain its dominance because of Mike Tyson and TigerWoods?...

Don't forget Miami and USC. I am sure we can blame them too.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

We'll never win another game. When Bobby was here, we won every single game by 40. Now we're terrible.