What kind of team are we?

[first11]

Are you questioning Mick and staffs ability? :lol: Heresy to Butte natives.

.....an unabashed apostate, disowned by all known and loved!

 

[Raider]

A team that struggles to beat good teams, which is not a typical characteristic of Griz football teams.

The last two years, the Griz are 0-6 against teams that made the playoffs. If you take out the vacated wins in 2011, the Griz haven't beaten a playoff team since 2009.

Personally, I think the Griz have a ton of talent, but I don't think the current scheme works. With your QB and receivers you should throw the ball 40 times a game. You also have the perfect play-makers and skill position players to run the spread offense, which is what a lot of them were recruited to do.

The Griz are going to be fine this year, you have 6 wins at home basically penciled in, just need to win a couple road games. I do agree with a lot of posters that in order for the Griz to make a run, the offense needs to be turned loose.

You are 100% correct, and it’s really hard to believe for a program that was dominating at that level.

However, nothing lasts forever and football is cyclical. Considering what the program has been through the last 3 years, they have actually maintained fairly well. It’s just too bad that most of our fan base is too stupid to realize that.

I also don’t expect this lull to last very long. The Griz will be the Griz again, and very soon I believe.

Of that I'm not so sure...we're a lot like Tiger. He was invincible for about 10-12 years, and people were in awe of him on the golf course. Teams were in awe of the Griz on the football field, especially in Wa/Griz. That's definitely not the case any more (with Tiger OR the Griz), and I'm not sure it's something you can easily recapture.

Interesting analogy w/Tiger and I see your point.

However, Tiger doesn’t have the ability to get a younger version of him back out there. He is battling time more than anything. The Griz have the ability to recruit, and contrary to some of the naysayers on this board, UM is still a destination spot. We have the broadest fans base for the FCS level and one of the only recruiting weakness we have (facilities) is on the mend. Great things are ahead.

 

[PlayerRep]

A team that struggles to beat good teams, which is not a typical characteristic of Griz football teams.

The last two years, the Griz are 0-6 against teams that made the playoffs. If you take out the vacated wins in 2011, the Griz haven't beaten a playoff team since 2009.

Personally, I think the Griz have a ton of talent, but I don't think the current scheme works. With your QB and receivers you should throw the ball 40 times a game. You also have the perfect play-makers and skill position players to run the spread offense, which is what a lot of them were recruited to do.

The Griz are going to be fine this year, you have 6 wins at home basically penciled in, just need to win a couple road games. I do agree with a lot of posters that in order for the Griz to make a run, the offense needs to be turned loose.

I don't agree with much of what you said. You want to define any team that loses to the Griz as not a good team. That's not true. In trying to analyze the quality of recent UM teams, why would you back out vacated wins in 2011. UM won beat those teams, whether counted in the record books or not. It isn't true that UM players were recruited for the spread offense. Most were recruited because they were good players in high school with good potential for college. It's not true that even Pflu was recruiting players just for the spread. I do agree with you that UM will beat EWU this year. Ha.

Haha, I only defined "good teams" which I deem as teams that make the playoffs. I simply said the Griz have played 6 teams the past two years who made the playoffs and they didn't win any of those games...

Regarding 2011, you absolutely won those games, no doubt the Griz were a great team that year and I hate that those games were vacated, which is why I made mention of it in the initial post, I didn't just jump to 2009.

Bottom line is, your current head coach and coaching staff are 0-6 against playoff teams and if the Griz want to get back to the traditional powerhouse that you are/were, you need to start beating good teams.

The game this year in Cheney will be a good one, the EWU/Griz games always are...

If this had been your original post, without any of the other BS you put in original post, you would have heard nothing from me.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Of that I'm not so sure...we're a lot like Tiger. He was invincible for about 10-12 years, and people were in awe of him on the golf course. Teams were in awe of the Griz on the football field, especially in Wa/Griz. That's definitely not the case any more (with Tiger OR the Griz), and I'm not sure it's something you can easily recapture.

Interesting analogy w/Tiger and I see your point.

However, Tiger doesn’t have the ability to get a younger version of him back out there. He is battling time more than anything. The Griz have the ability to recruit, and contrary to some of the naysayers on this board, UM is still a destination spot. We have the broadest fans base for the FCS level and one of the only recruiting weakness we have (facilities) is on the mend. Great things are ahead.

I hear you. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuut, mystique is more than just the name of your favorite stripper....just like Tiger we HAD it, we LOST it, and it isn't so easily gained back. The mere THOUGHT of coming into Wa/Griz and having to play the Griz used to make players piss themselves...week in and week out, you could watch teams get rattled, self-destruct, etc., under the awesome power of Wa/Griz and the 26,000 screaming fans.

Now? The MSU fucking BOBCATS haven't lost here in two straight trips. EWU and CCU made us look pedestrian last year, and that was a 10-3 season! NAU embarrassed us in 2012, a season in which we were just 3-3 at home. We are just 7-5 against EWU in the last 12 years, 7-5 against MSU the last 12 years and 0-2 against NAU in the last 2 and 5 of those 7 combined losses were in Wa/Griz--that NEVER happened from '86-'11. Teams that we used to handle with ease (Cal Poly, EWU, NAU, MSU) now routinely give us fits and beat us. This hasn't been a 2-year decline...this started about 2002-2003 and has just been exacerbated by the coaching upheaval we experienced in 2011-2012.

COULD we get it back? Possibly....but I have a distinct feeling it'll be like the "glory days" from high school we all fondly look back upon....I just don't think we'll ever be able to recapture the magic of that unbelievable run from '95-'09 we all we able to be a part of. No dominant team--not Nebraska, not University of Miami, not USC, not anybody--has been able to truly recapture their glory days after they lost them. Alabama might be the latest example to add to that group...

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Yeah, but there's a little selective memory on the part of Griz fans, too.

Wofford, Youngstown State, Delaware, Cal-Poly, EWU, NDSU, UMass...just a few of the teams that came into our stadium during our salad days and beat us. Not to mention all the close games where we just squeaked by. Perfect examples are Sac State (thank you, Ricky Ray), and App State with Jimmy Farris in the snowy end zone.

We like to think other teams came in here and pissed themselves, but the fact of the matter is that we plain lucked out on many occasions. We don't like to admit that luck plays a big part of any team's success or failure.

Other than NDSU recently, there's a lot of parity at the FCS level. And that ain't so bad...

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I sure hope we don't have to pass the ball 50 times a game.

I sure hope we pass it 73 times per game.

 

[grizcountry420]

I sure hope we don't have to pass the ball 50 times a game.

I sure hope we pass it 73 times per game.

Dont you think that the defense will spend too much time on the field?

 

[George Ferguson]

Allweather, I tend to lean more on your side on the "mystique" of Wash-Griz. Except for the "luck" part. The Griz won ALOT of games in Wash-Griz because they were very, very very good. On the other hand, teams have indeed imploded time and time again in that stadium, some teams were good, some teams were not so good. The crowd has always been an enormous factor. The Wash-Griz fan base has been one of the most influential fan bases in all of college football over the last three decades.

Having said that, I don't think college football players from other teams were AFRAID to play there. Ask Kevin Lundstrom or Dane Fletcher if they were AFRAID or SCARED. For those that think that, are they then saying that Zach Wagenmann and Jordan Johnson, or Tonga Takai are AFRAID to go to Fargo in three weeks.? NDSU has that exact mystique we're talking about here going on right now, and they are billing this as one of the biggest home games in their history. Their crowd will be insanely loud and amped up for the Griz. Do we really think that Ellis Henderson is going to PISS IN HIS PANTS?

I stood on the sidelines for a lot of games at Wash-Griz. Players didn't seem AFRAID OR SCARED. What I saw over all these years was a great program and one of the most intense, crazy, insane home field advantages ever come together to win a lot of football games and make a lot of teams looks bad. I just think that's a huge difference from saying 19-22 year old college football players were "afraid or scared". I don't think the Griz players are scared of the Fargo Dome or the Bison, and I don't think the vast majority of visiting players have come into Wash-Griz Afraid or Scared of the Griz or the crowd.

However, just for argument's sake, lets say those that think that are right, AZ, I'm curious then, when did it stop. When was the cutoff date that players stopped pissing their pants in Wash-Griz?

 

[CV Griz Fan]

A team that struggles to beat good teams, which is not a typical characteristic of Griz football teams.

The last two years, the Griz are 0-6 against teams that made the playoffs. If you take out the vacated wins in 2011, the Griz haven't beaten a playoff team since 2009.

Personally, I think the Griz have a ton of talent, but I don't think the current scheme works. With your QB and receivers you should throw the ball 40 times a game. You also have the perfect play-makers and skill position players to run the spread offense, which is what a lot of them were recruited to do.

The Griz are going to be fine this year, you have 6 wins at home basically penciled in, just need to win a couple road games. I do agree with a lot of posters that in order for the Griz to make a run, the offense needs to be turned loose.

You are 100% correct, and it’s really hard to believe for a program that was dominating at that level.

However, nothing lasts forever and football is cyclical. Considering what the program has been through the last 3 years, they have actually maintained fairly well. It’s just too bad that most of our fan base is too stupid to realize that.

I also don’t expect this lull to last very long. The Griz will be the Griz again, and very soon I believe.

Of that I'm not so sure...we're a lot like Tiger. He was invincible for about 10-12 years, and people were in awe of him on the golf course. Teams were in awe of the Griz on the football field, especially in Wa/Griz. That's definitely not the case any more (with Tiger OR the Griz), and I'm not sure it's something you can easily recapture.

Interesting analogy w/Tiger and I see your point.

However, Tiger doesn’t have the ability to get a younger version of him back out there. He is battling time more than anything. The Griz have the ability to recruit, and contrary to some of the naysayers on this board, UM is still a destination spot. We have the broadest fans base for the FCS level and one of the only recruiting weakness we have (facilities) is on the mend. Great things are ahead.

I think that Mike Tyson would be a good analogy too. Now that was real physical fear that the world had. Until Buster Douglas beat him, Tyson was the most intimidating force in sports. Once he went down, the boxing world exhaled. The Myth was no more .

 

[PlayerRep]

Allweather, I tend to lean more on your side on the "mystique" of Wash-Griz. Except for the "luck" part. The Griz won ALOT of games in Wash-Griz because they were very, very very good. On the other hand, teams have indeed imploded time and time again in that stadium, some teams were good, some teams were not so good. The crowd has always been an enormous factor. The Wash-Griz fan base has been one of the most influential fan bases in all of college football over the last three decades.

Having said that, I don't think college football players from other teams were AFRAID to play there. Ask Kevin Lundstrom or Dane Fletcher if they were AFRAID or SCARED. For those that think that, are they then saying that Zach Wagenmann and Jordan Johnson, or Tonga Takai are AFRAID to go to Fargo in three weeks.? NDSU has that exact mystique we're talking about here going on right now, and they are billing this as one of the biggest home games in their history. Their crowd will be insanely loud and amped up for the Griz. Do we really think that Ellis Henderson is going to PISS IN HIS PANTS?

I stood on the sidelines for a lot of games at Wash-Griz. Players didn't seem AFRAID OR SCARED. What I saw over all these years was a great program and one of the most intense, crazy, insane home field advantages ever come together to win a lot of football games and make a lot of teams looks bad. I just think that's a huge difference from saying 19-22 year old college football players were "afraid or scared". I don't think the Griz players are scared of the Fargo Dome or the Bison, and I don't think the vast majority of visiting players have come into Wash-Griz Afraid or Scared of the Griz or the crowd.

However, just for argument's sake, lets say those that think that are right, AZ, I'm curious then, when did it stop. When was the cutoff date that players stopped pissing their pants in Wash-Griz?

I agree with Hav. UM has won many many games at home (and elsewhere) based on being very good, playing very hard, and believing that they could always come back and win. Yes, there is some luck involved, but much of the time, luck seems to be tied with hard work, the will to win, and believing one's team can win. I've always believed in the old phrase: "The harder we work; the luckier we get."

Yes, there are been some teams over the years that have beaten UM at home. Yes, there have been more losses at home in the past few years, mainly in '12 without JJ but also some last year. Yes, some of the mystique is gone (if that is what you want to call it), although I agree with Hav that virtually no FCS team comes to Griz stadium being afraid.

There are lots of other good teams and more parity. EWU emerged as a power. MSU came back to life. The Big Sky is strong and has lots of good teams capable of knocking off almost any other team on a good day.

I was one of the few posters saying years ago (starting in 2000 or so and continuing until several years ago) that many Griz fans were spoiled and didn't realize how good they had it (for so many years). Being at the top wasn't going to last, because it doesn't last for any team, and it would eventually go away or not be as good for UM--and it did decline. Can/will UM come back to the top? Of course. Will it last for many years? I doubt it. It was a very special time and ride, and very prolonged. I don't think it can be repeated. That doesn't mean that I don't enjoy every season, because I do. Every season is different, and special--some more special than others. That's one of the joys of sport and following your team.

 

[argh!]

Allweather, I tend to lean more on your side on the "mystique" of Wash-Griz. Except for the "luck" part. The Griz won ALOT of games in Wash-Griz because they were very, very very good. On the other hand, teams have indeed imploded time and time again in that stadium, some teams were good, some teams were not so good. The crowd has always been an enormous factor. The Wash-Griz fan base has been one of the most influential fan bases in all of college football over the last three decades.

Having said that, I don't think college football players from other teams were AFRAID to play there. Ask Kevin Lundstrom or Dane Fletcher if they were AFRAID or SCARED. For those that think that, are they then saying that Zach Wagenmann and Jordan Johnson, or Tonga Takai are AFRAID to go to Fargo in three weeks.? NDSU has that exact mystique we're talking about here going on right now, and they are billing this as one of the biggest home games in their history. Their crowd will be insanely loud and amped up for the Griz. Do we really think that Ellis Henderson is going to PISS IN HIS PANTS?

I stood on the sidelines for a lot of games at Wash-Griz. Players didn't seem AFRAID OR SCARED. What I saw over all these years was a great program and one of the most intense, crazy, insane home field advantages ever come together to win a lot of football games and make a lot of teams looks bad. I just think that's a huge difference from saying 19-22 year old college football players were "afraid or scared". I don't think the Griz players are scared of the Fargo Dome or the Bison, and I don't think the vast majority of visiting players have come into Wash-Griz Afraid or Scared of the Griz or the crowd.

However, just for argument's sake, lets say those that think that are right, AZ, I'm curious then, when did it stop. When was the cutoff date that players stopped pissing their pants in Wash-Griz?

I agree with Hav. UM has won many many games at home (and elsewhere) based on being very good, playing very hard, and believing that they could always come back and win. Yes, there is some luck involved, but much of the time, luck seems to be tied with hard work, the will to win, and believing one's team can win. I've always believed in the old phrase: "The harder we work; the luckier we get."

Yes, there are been some teams over the years that have beaten UM at home. Yes, there have been more losses at home in the past few years, mainly in '12 without JJ but also some last year. Yes, some of the mystique is gone (if that is what you want to call it), although I agree with Hav that virtually no FCS team comes to Griz stadium being afraid.

There are lots of other good teams and more parity. EWU emerged as a power. MSU came back to life. The Big Sky is strong and has lots of good teams capable of knocking off almost any other team on a good day.

I was one of the few posters saying years ago (starting in 2000 or so and continuing until several years ago) that many Griz fans were spoiled and didn't realize how good they had it (for so many years). Being at the top wasn't going to last, because it doesn't last for any team, and it would eventually go away or not be as good for UM--and it did decline. Can/will UM come back to the top? Of course. Will it last for many years? I doubt it. It was a very special time and ride, and very prolonged. I don't think it can be repeated. That doesn't mean that I don't enjoy every season, because I do. Every season is different, and special--some more special than others. That's one of the joys of sport and following your team.

and griz football has been all the much better because you have been able to argue about it on the internet all the time!

 

[PlayerRep]

Allweather, I tend to lean more on your side on the "mystique" of Wash-Griz. Except for the "luck" part. The Griz won ALOT of games in Wash-Griz because they were very, very very good. On the other hand, teams have indeed imploded time and time again in that stadium, some teams were good, some teams were not so good. The crowd has always been an enormous factor. The Wash-Griz fan base has been one of the most influential fan bases in all of college football over the last three decades.

Having said that, I don't think college football players from other teams were AFRAID to play there. Ask Kevin Lundstrom or Dane Fletcher if they were AFRAID or SCARED. For those that think that, are they then saying that Zach Wagenmann and Jordan Johnson, or Tonga Takai are AFRAID to go to Fargo in three weeks.? NDSU has that exact mystique we're talking about here going on right now, and they are billing this as one of the biggest home games in their history. Their crowd will be insanely loud and amped up for the Griz. Do we really think that Ellis Henderson is going to PISS IN HIS PANTS?

I stood on the sidelines for a lot of games at Wash-Griz. Players didn't seem AFRAID OR SCARED. What I saw over all these years was a great program and one of the most intense, crazy, insane home field advantages ever come together to win a lot of football games and make a lot of teams looks bad. I just think that's a huge difference from saying 19-22 year old college football players were "afraid or scared". I don't think the Griz players are scared of the Fargo Dome or the Bison, and I don't think the vast majority of visiting players have come into Wash-Griz Afraid or Scared of the Griz or the crowd.

However, just for argument's sake, lets say those that think that are right, AZ, I'm curious then, when did it stop. When was the cutoff date that players stopped pissing their pants in Wash-Griz?

I agree with Hav. UM has won many many games at home (and elsewhere) based on being very good, playing very hard, and believing that they could always come back and win. Yes, there is some luck involved, but much of the time, luck seems to be tied with hard work, the will to win, and believing one's team can win. I've always believed in the old phrase: "The harder we work; the luckier we get."

Yes, there are been some teams over the years that have beaten UM at home. Yes, there have been more losses at home in the past few years, mainly in '12 without JJ but also some last year. Yes, some of the mystique is gone (if that is what you want to call it), although I agree with Hav that virtually no FCS team comes to Griz stadium being afraid.

There are lots of other good teams and more parity. EWU emerged as a power. MSU came back to life. The Big Sky is strong and has lots of good teams capable of knocking off almost any other team on a good day.

I was one of the few posters saying years ago (starting in 2000 or so and continuing until several years ago) that many Griz fans were spoiled and didn't realize how good they had it (for so many years). Being at the top wasn't going to last, because it doesn't last for any team, and it would eventually go away or not be as good for UM--and it did decline. Can/will UM come back to the top? Of course. Will it last for many years? I doubt it. It was a very special time and ride, and very prolonged. I don't think it can be repeated. That doesn't mean that I don't enjoy every season, because I do. Every season is different, and special--some more special than others. That's one of the joys of sport and following your team.

and griz football has been all the much better because you have been able to argue about it on the internet all the time!

Yes, self-appointed VP-Internet Defense. Somebody has to try to keep some of you guys in line. I'm looking right now at my 2001 Griz Championship poster, which is addressed to Green26. The first time I met Joe Glenn, he came over to me at the Press Box, introduced himself, and said he heard I was Green26 and thanked me for all the of support. Wayne Hogan, who became my good friend, used to call me Green26 at times.

 

[AZGrizFan]

"Afraid" was probably (OK definitely) a poor choice of words. How about "in awe", "amazed", "stunned", etc....For years players SAID it wouldn't affect them when they played there, but for years it DID....it was like all the bravado was just that, and it evaporated into thin air when they came out of that tunnel and took in the majesty and mystique of Wa/Griz...I am reminded of the high flying Southland team (SFA, if memory serves) that came into Wa/Griz for a playoff game as the highest scoring offense in the nation, did their walk thru's in T-shirts, puffed up their chests and paraded around with a ton of bravado, then proceeded to come out at the opening bell and completely shit the bed (to the tune of TEN turnovers)...

Anyway, we're arguing over semantics. I DO agree however, with the poster who said that "believing we would win" has a lot to do with it. I think even THAT has declined somewhat within the program. The days of a SDSU-type comeback are gone, I'm afraid. Now, we get "close calls" like EWU and CCU.

Oh, and Mike Tyson is another great example of my point. Although I think boxers really WERE afraid of him. :lol: :lol:

 

[Raider]

Of that I'm not so sure...we're a lot like Tiger. He was invincible for about 10-12 years, and people were in awe of him on the golf course. Teams were in awe of the Griz on the football field, especially in Wa/Griz. That's definitely not the case any more (with Tiger OR the Griz), and I'm not sure it's something you can easily recapture.

Interesting analogy w/Tiger and I see your point.

However, Tiger doesn’t have the ability to get a younger version of him back out there. He is battling time more than anything. The Griz have the ability to recruit, and contrary to some of the naysayers on this board, UM is still a destination spot. We have the broadest fans base for the FCS level and one of the only recruiting weakness we have (facilities) is on the mend. Great things are ahead.

I hear you. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuut, mystique is more than just the name of your favorite stripper....just like Tiger we HAD it, we LOST it, and it isn't so easily gained back. The mere THOUGHT of coming into Wa/Griz and having to play the Griz used to make players piss themselves...week in and week out, you could watch teams get rattled, self-destruct, etc., under the awesome power of Wa/Griz and the 26,000 screaming fans.

Now? The MSU f***[*] BOBCATS haven't lost here in two straight trips. EWU and CCU made us look pedestrian last year, and that was a 10-3 season! NAU embarrassed us in 2012, a season in which we were just 3-3 at home. We are just 7-5 against EWU in the last 12 years, 7-5 against MSU the last 12 years and 0-2 against NAU in the last 2 and 5 of those 7 combined losses were in Wa/Griz--that NEVER happened from '86-'11. Teams that we used to handle with ease (Cal Poly, EWU, NAU, MSU) now routinely give us fits and beat us. This hasn't been a 2-year decline...this started about 2002-2003 and has just been exacerbated by the coaching upheaval we experienced in 2011-2012.

COULD we get it back? Possibly....but I have a distinct feeling it'll be like the "glory days" from high school we all fondly look back upon....I just don't think we'll ever be able to recapture the magic of that unbelievable run from '95-'09 we all we able to be a part of. No dominant team--not Nebraska, not University of Miami, not USC, not anybody--has been able to truly recapture their glory days after they lost them. Alabama might be the latest example to add to that group...

Uhhh, what the fu-k?

:?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I sure hope we don't have to pass the ball 50 times a game.

I sure hope we pass it 73 times per game.

Dont you think that the defense will spend too much time on the field?

Not really.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Allweather, I tend to lean more on your side on the "mystique" of Wash-Griz. Except for the "luck" part. The Griz won ALOT of games in Wash-Griz because they were very, very very good. On the other hand, teams have indeed imploded time and time again in that stadium, some teams were good, some teams were not so good. The crowd has always been an enormous factor. The Wash-Griz fan base has been one of the most influential fan bases in all of college football over the last three decades.

Having said that, I don't think college football players from other teams were AFRAID to play there. Ask Kevin Lundstrom or Dane Fletcher if they were AFRAID or SCARED. For those that think that, are they then saying that Zach Wagenmann and Jordan Johnson, or Tonga Takai are AFRAID to go to Fargo in three weeks.? NDSU has that exact mystique we're talking about here going on right now, and they are billing this as one of the biggest home games in their history. Their crowd will be insanely loud and amped up for the Griz. Do we really think that Ellis Henderson is going to PISS IN HIS PANTS?

I stood on the sidelines for a lot of games at Wash-Griz. Players didn't seem AFRAID OR SCARED. What I saw over all these years was a great program and one of the most intense, crazy, insane home field advantages ever come together to win a lot of football games and make a lot of teams looks bad. I just think that's a huge difference from saying 19-22 year old college football players were "afraid or scared". I don't think the Griz players are scared of the Fargo Dome or the Bison, and I don't think the vast majority of visiting players have come into Wash-Griz Afraid or Scared of the Griz or the crowd.

However, just for argument's sake, lets say those that think that are right, AZ, I'm curious then, when did it stop. When was the cutoff date that players stopped pissing their pants in Wash-Griz?

Agreed. It's a definite advantage to play at home, even today.

 

[Umista]

We are a good enough team to have some sport nuts place us in the top 4 or 5 in the nation. Yeah the Krackerds have us ranked very high right now. I say we enjoy this early fame and enjoy the game on Saturday.

Me? I love our DEFENSE and I feel our O-Line will improve over the next two games.
The special teams? Kicker situation? Our offense? It all must gell or we are in deep do do.
I tend to think we will see some improvements and we have a chance to be a very good team.

As I mentioned above, some think we are damn good right now.

 

[mtgriz]

With some exceptions, I believe most teams now come to our place with a heightened sense of focus. Certainly the case with EWU and Coastal Carolina in 2013.

 

[AZGrizFan]

We are a good enough team to have some sport nuts place us in the top 4 or 5 in the nation. Yeah the Krackerds have us ranked very high right now. I say we enjoy this early fame and enjoy the game on Saturday.

Me? I love our DEFENSE and I feel our O-Line will improve over the next two games.
The special teams? Kicker situation? Our offense? It all must gell or we are in deep do do.
I tend to think we will see some improvements and we have a chance to be a very good team.

As I mentioned above, some think we are damn good right now.

I agree with everything in your second paragraph.

 

[grizcountry420]

It's all starting to make sense why argh! always calls PR, greenie.......