What If?

[mthoopsfan]

Why do we need three former college football offensive coordinators contributing to the offense we are running? These guys are all long in the tooth, and all have been fired multiple times. I keep reading about how great it is to have so many years of experience by these coaches. But does that experience equate to quality? If they are so good, why aren't they coaching at an FBS school? Oh, that's right, they been there, done that, but got fired. Can three coaches with their own offensive philosophy agree on anything regarding the direction of our offense?

And have you thought about the energy level these older coaches have for beating the bushes to recruit? Do they still have that drive and fire to recruit, or are they coasting into retirement? Can a 60+ year old position coach impress an 18 year old kid, when that coach is as old as his grandfather? These kids understand that they will have to live with these position coaches the entire season. Can that old coach relate to the kid, when competitive coaches recruiting him are more his age? All valid questions, in my opinion.

Which of the UM offensive coaches is over 60?

Are you over 20?

 

[Fahque]

Germer was not here in the early 2000’s. He was at Wyoming. He did not coach anyone at Montana (unless he did it on the side or informally) until 2009. He had nothing to do with the pre-2009 offensive lines. His main body of work here starts in 2015. My assertion remains the same. The O-line has consistently not been able to execute at the level they need to.

As for the people that left, that is again a failure to either coach or recruit enough of the right kind of lineman. There is always going to be some attrition, but in all this time, how many lineman has he developed from HS that have been all conference? Conlan Beaver, Dylan Cook, and David Reese. That’s three that have made a conference team. No All-Americans. In the meantime, running the ball has been a consistent problem. Last weeks offense was even worse.

I don’t know what to tell you. Everything is not sunshine and roses. Yes Brown has troubles, but his line is not helping. That it consistently doesn’t help against decent teams comes from the coach.

Germer coached at UM from 1998 - 2002. Went to Wyo with Glenn. Can you jot even read his bio on gogriz.

Again, Dylan McFarland was all conference and played in the NFL. How old are you? Never heard of McFarland? I think there was another NFL player during that time.

You have no credibility on this subject. You obviously don’t know Hauck or the coaches.

So he was a good coach 20 years ago… I think our recruiting of lineman was better then and the fact that there was no transfer portal back then so players stuck around greatly contributed to the quality of our line. Also, just coming off of two national championship appearances and having won one of those, along with the abysmal Bobcat teams of those years, meant we could attract higher quality athletes. It's been a while since we have been to the NC, it's not something we can tout as something we've done recently during recruiting trips. It's time to stop living 20 years in the past and start moving forward and figure out how to actually RTD

 

[PDXGrizzly]

Germer was not here in the early 2000’s. He was at Wyoming. He did not coach anyone at Montana (unless he did it on the side or informally) until 2009. He had nothing to do with the pre-2009 offensive lines. His main body of work here starts in 2015. My assertion remains the same. The O-line has consistently not been able to execute at the level they need to.

As for the people that left, that is again a failure to either coach or recruit enough of the right kind of lineman. There is always going to be some attrition, but in all this time, how many lineman has he developed from HS that have been all conference? Conlan Beaver, Dylan Cook, and David Reese. That’s three that have made a conference team. No All-Americans. In the meantime, running the ball has been a consistent problem. Last weeks offense was even worse.

I don’t know what to tell you. Everything is not sunshine and roses. Yes Brown has troubles, but his line is not helping. That it consistently doesn’t help against decent teams comes from the coach.

Germer coached at UM from 1998 - 2002. Went to Wyo with Glenn. Can you jot even read his bio on gogriz.

Again, Dylan McFarland was all conference and played in the NFL. How old are you? Never heard of McFarland? I think there was another NFL player during that time.

You have no credibility on this subject. You obviously don’t know Hauck or the coaches.

Wow, I can’t read. That’s embarrassing.

I was at UM the same time McFarland was. I remember being at a few parties he was at. He was dating a DG at the time if memory serves. Friend of a friend kind of thing. No way he knows who I am or was, lol.

The other NFL guy was Thatcher Szalay? Dude was a beast.

Ok. I’ll take my lumps on full coaching history. But riddle me this hoops: why the drop off in talent, retention, and development? What happened? Germer clearly used to have it (again, that’s my bad on the history thing) but since he came back in 2015, the product on the field has been lacking.

You are right. I am not buddies with any of the players, coaches, or admin at UM. I’ve never been to a lake house on Flathead with any past or present coaches or staff. I’m just a fan. A nobody compared to the mighty mthoopsfan (or was it PR from the old days?). But I have eyes. I can see the product of the high caliber coaching that has happened.

As for credibility, behold my field of f***s to give. Alas, it is barren.

I’d rather hold dog shit in my hands and clap than perpetuate your stance that everything is fine. It’s not. Just because someone was good once, doesn’t mean they are good now.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Germer coached at UM from 1998 - 2002. Went to Wyo with Glenn. Can you jot even read his bio on gogriz.

Again, Dylan McFarland was all conference and played in the NFL. How old are you? Never heard of McFarland? I think there was another NFL player during that time.

You have no credibility on this subject. You obviously don’t know Hauck or the coaches.

Wow, I can’t read. That’s embarrassing.

I was at UM the same time McFarland was. I remember being at a few parties he was at. He was dating a DG at the time if memory serves. Friend of a friend kind of thing. No way he knows who I am or was, lol.

The other NFL guy was Thatcher Szalay? Dude was a beast.

Ok. I’ll take my lumps on full coaching history. But riddle me this hoops: why the drop off in talent, retention, and development? What happened? Germer clearly used to have it (again, that’s my bad on the history thing) but since he came back in 2015, the product on the field has been lacking.

You are right. I am not buddies with any of the players, coaches, or admin at UM. I’ve never been to a lake house on Flathead with any past or present coaches or staff. I’m just a fan. A nobody compared to the mighty mthoopsfan (or was it PR from the old days?). But I have eyes. I can see the product of the high caliber coaching that has happened.

As for credibility, behold my field of f***s to give. Alas, it is barren.

I’d rather hold dog shit in my hands and clap than perpetuate your stance that everything is fine. It’s not. Just because someone was good once, doesn’t mean they are good now.

I have never said or indicated that everything is fine. Heck, I'm the one who asked Hauck at QB Club why the offense was so bad at Weber. Half of the people in front of me in the room, whirled to see who asked the question.

The o-line has been better since Hauck returned than a bunch of largely no-nothings have been saying. It's good this year, generally. There are explanations for the kids that left. There hasn't been a retention issue. I'm not aware that any left to play football elsewhere. When I talk to Bobby, other coaches and some of the rest, and hear what they have to say, I have great confidence in repeating it.

Who do you think talk about current NFL guy how to play o-line? He came from being a qb. I assume it took a pretty damn good coach to do that.

Sorry, but I don't think you or hardly anyone on the board knows what the o-line is doing, nor the offense nor the OC. If you try to act like you do, I will probably call you out.

Yes, the other NFL guy was Thatcher.

Besides not being at the lake, you also didn't go with JD Quinn and Brent Russum to the HK 7's rugby tourney either. Ha.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

I have never said or indicated that everything is fine. Heck, I'm the one who asked Hauck at QB Club why the offense was so bad at Weber. Half of the people in front of me in the room, whirled to see who asked the question.

The o-line has been better since Hauck returned than a bunch of largely no-nothings have been saying. It's good this year, generally. There are explanations for the kids that left. There hasn't been a retention issue. I'm not aware that any left to play football elsewhere. When I talk to Bobby, other coaches and some of the rest, and hear what they have to say, I have great confidence in repeating it.

Who do you think talk about current NFL guy how to play o-line? He came from being a qb. I assume it took a pretty damn good coach to do that.

Sorry, but I don't think you or hardly anyone on the board knows what the o-line is doing, nor the offense nor the OC. If you try to act like you do, I will probably call you out.

Yes, the other NFL guy was Thatcher.

Besides not being at the lake, you also didn't go with JD Quinn and Brent Russum to the HK 7's rugby tourney either. Ha.

Once upon a time, I played O-Line. I don’t think I could coach it and definitely couldn’t play it (although I just got my squat back up to 375! I’m proud of myself. I still have a ways to go before I get to the old personal bests).

As far as what the coaches are doing, everything looks disjointed. Even with LJ at the helm. What’s this team’s identity? What’s it’s bread and butter? Why no actual designed run plays as opposed to the RPO? Why are we running the slower developing RPO style in short yardage? If you can answer, I’m all ears. I enjoy learning. But I do know enough to be able to say if something isn’t right.

I guess we will see.

 

[mule]

I can sense from reading the posts on both sides of the fence about the 2022 edition of our football team, that the reality of us not making the playoffs is front and center on the minds of many. I believe the playoff field has been reduced this year, am I correct? If so, then the Cat game becomes large, because that game very well might determine if we get in.

My question, up for discussion, is what your opinion will be if we don't get a playoff invitation this season? I think we will be underdogs in the Cat game, so this scenario could play out.

Will you be calling for Hauck's head? Will you be calling for Rosey and Germer to be replaced like I am? Will you just chalk it up to injuries to our starting QB, and a "we'll get-um next season" mentality? Discuss.

The goal and expectations should be bigger than just make the playoffs. Even worse if it is just an invitation to the playoffs. Also, it seems like we always judge the griz on what a win or lose to the cats.
The team's vision, expectations, goals are clearly not getting us to a championship game. I also believe there really isn't any difference from a team that makes the playoffs or a team that doesn't if they don't get to the big dance.

An invitation is saying come give it a try and you really never earned a spot but by some committee that feels sorry for a team.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I have never said or indicated that everything is fine. Heck, I'm the one who asked Hauck at QB Club why the offense was so bad at Weber. Half of the people in front of me in the room, whirled to see who asked the question.

And what was his answer?

 

[smarsh]

As for credibility, behold my field of f***s to give. Alas, it is barren.

I’d rather hold dog shit in my hands and clap than perpetuate your stance that everything is fine. It’s not.

Whether one agrees with you or not, one thing is for sure. This quip is a work of literary genius. Worth the price of admission (schlepping my barely justified interest through this post) fo sho.

 

[3-7-77]

Here's his bio from GoGriz. Argue that.


CHAD GERMER
TITLE Offensive Line
EMAIL [email protected]
PHONE 243-2969
TWITTER - @CoachGermer

2021 marks veteran mentor Chad Germer’s seventh year coaching the offensive line at his alma mater and his twenty-fourth overall season coaching college football.

Germer (pronounced “JUR-mur”) came back to Montana from UNLV in 2015, where he coached under Bobby Hauck for five seasons (2010-14). He returned to Montana and coached for one season in 2009 and joined Hauck’s staff the following year at UNLV.

In his first season back at Montana in 2015, he coached offensive tackle John Schmaing to a place on the second team All-Big Sky Conference squad. In 2016, Germer coached O-linemen to All-Big Sky honors, with David Reese, Jackson Thiebes and Devon Dietrich each earning accolades. In 2017, Reese became a two-time All-Big Sky honoree as UM’s only player named to the first team.

At UNLV, he coached second team All-Mountain West honoree and four-year starter Brett Boyko, who became the first Rebel offensive lineman to be honored by the league since 2004. Boyko was invited to play in the 90th East-West Shrine game, Jan. 17, 2015, and has enjoyed a long professional career.

He also coached three-time honorable mention all-league center and Rimington Trophy Watch List selection Robert Waterman at UNLV.

Germer’s lines helped produce the school’s all-time leading rusher as Tim Cornett finished with 3,733 yards, which is also the second-most in conference history.

Prior to taking the position at UNLV, Germer spent six seasons coaching the offensive line at the University of Wyoming from 2003-08, working for former Griz head man Joe Glenn.

He began his coaching career at Montana as a restricted earnings coach in 1998 and was elevated to full-time status the following season. He coached for the Grizzlies from 1998-2002.

At Montana, his lines opened up holes for standout running back Chase Reynolds who rushed for 1,502 yards and 22 touchdowns and was a second team All-America pick in 2009 as a senior. That season the Grizzlies ranked 18th in the FCS in fewest quarterback sacks allowed.

A 1991 All-America center at Montana, he began his coaching career at his alma mater and went on to coach four All-Americans during his first stint at UM, which lasted five years.

His son Nick is currently a freshman receiver on the Grizzly football team.

The Germer File
Hometown: Three Forks, Mont.
Alma Mater: Montana ’93 (B.S. Business Administration)
Playing Experience: Montana, Cincinnati Bengals
Family: Wife Amy, Sons Alex and Nicholas

Coaching Experience
1998 - 2002 Montana (OL)
2003 - 2008 Wyoming (OL)
2009 Montana (OL)
2010 - 2014 UNLV (OL)
2015 - Present Montana (OL)

 

[SinCityGriz2005]

If they don’t get in, there will be a lot of soul searching amongst the fan base. You are correct in your assessment that Hauck himself is largely safe. However, some of the other coaches may not be.

Replacing Germer may be the lowest hanging fruit to shake things up. As he is a position coach, it would be much easier to replace him rather than scrap the overall offensive philosophy (I wish they’d scrap that too, but that’s probably not gonna happen). An astute hire here may yield greater rewards sooner rather than later. Especially with lineman development and retention.

It’s about as clinical as I can make it. I wish they’d clean house and get rid of most of the offensive philosophy and staff.

I agree. Greene is an excellent RB coach and recruiter, in fact I think he may be the perfect replacement for Rosie Poser.

 

[SinCityGriz2005]

I can sense from reading the posts on both sides of the fence about the 2022 edition of our football team, that the reality of us not making the playoffs is front and center on the minds of many. I believe the playoff field has been reduced this year, am I correct? If so, then the Cat game becomes large, because that game very well might determine if we get in.

My question, up for discussion, is what your opinion will be if we don't get a playoff invitation this season? I think we will be underdogs in the Cat game, so this scenario could play out.

Will you be calling for Hauck's head? Will you be calling for Rosey and Germer to be replaced like I am? Will you just chalk it up to injuries to our starting QB, and a "we'll get-um next season" mentality? Discuss.

I think Bob needs to go. In the 2022 real-time, right-now world of college football he the epitome of an anachronistic head coach. Also, he needs to realize depth is necessary at all positions other than LB and RB.

Bob isn’t going anywhere though. But Rosie Poser absolutely has to go. He is pure trash.

 

[bigtyme]

There will be no calling of Hauck’s head regardless, gris nation is brainwashed in believing Bobby is the second coming of Christ. If they dont make the playoffs it will only be because of the refs or the schedule or the injuries, it will have nothing to do with Bobby or his staff.

You are incorrect on that biased assumption. Carry on.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I have never said or indicated that everything is fine. Heck, I'm the one who asked Hauck at QB Club why the offense was so bad at Weber. Half of the people in front of me in the room, whirled to see who asked the question.

The o-line has been better since Hauck returned than a bunch of largely no-nothings have been saying. It's good this year, generally. There are explanations for the kids that left. There hasn't been a retention issue. I'm not aware that any left to play football elsewhere. When I talk to Bobby, other coaches and some of the rest, and hear what they have to say, I have great confidence in repeating it.

Who do you think talk about current NFL guy how to play o-line? He came from being a qb. I assume it took a pretty damn good coach to do that.

Sorry, but I don't think you or hardly anyone on the board knows what the o-line is doing, nor the offense nor the OC. If you try to act like you do, I will probably call you out.

Yes, the other NFL guy was Thatcher.

Besides not being at the lake, you also didn't go with JD Quinn and Brent Russum to the HK 7's rugby tourney either. Ha.

Once upon a time, I played O-Line. I don’t think I could coach it and definitely couldn’t play it (although I just got my squat back up to 375! I’m proud of myself. I still have a ways to go before I get to the old personal bests).

As far as what the coaches are doing, everything looks disjointed. Even with LJ at the helm. What’s this team’s identity? What’s it’s bread and butter? Why no actual designed run plays as opposed to the RPO? Why are we running the slower developing RPO style in short yardage? If you can answer, I’m all ears. I enjoy learning. But I do know enough to be able to say if something isn’t right.

I guess we will see.

Okay, now we know that you know where the o-line lines up. Great. As for the second to the last para, that has not been my observation. I think UM has designed run plays. I agree on the short yardage plays to some extent, but UM has also put the qb under center for some of those plays.

In any event, even if correct, none of those things equate to replacing the OC or the o-line coach. That's one of my pet peeves. The Griz do or don't do something. A poster's observation may or may not be correct. The poster says fire the coach.

Again, who do you think taught Dylan Cook to play o-line?

 

[PDXGrizzly]

Once upon a time, I played O-Line. I don’t think I could coach it and definitely couldn’t play it (although I just got my squat back up to 375! I’m proud of myself. I still have a ways to go before I get to the old personal bests).

As far as what the coaches are doing, everything looks disjointed. Even with LJ at the helm. What’s this team’s identity? What’s it’s bread and butter? Why no actual designed run plays as opposed to the RPO? Why are we running the slower developing RPO style in short yardage? If you can answer, I’m all ears. I enjoy learning. But I do know enough to be able to say if something isn’t right.

I guess we will see.

Okay, now we know that you know where the o-line lines up. Great. As for the second to the last para, that has not been my observation. I think UM has designed run plays. I agree on the short yardage plays to some extent, but UM has also put the qb under center for some of those plays.

In any event, even if correct, none of those things equate to replacing the OC or the o-line coach. That's one of my pet peeves. The Griz do or don't do something. A poster's observation may or may not be correct. The poster says fire the coach.

Again, who do you think taught Dylan Cook to play o-line?

The thing that you keep coming back to is individuals. Germer having a great impact on individuals. That’s all fine and dandy, but there are 4 more guys playing at any given time. They have to work together and develop together. That includes back ups. I’ll concede that he has coached great individuals of late. But last I checked, football is a team sport.

Also, thanks for noticing that I know where the O-Line is! I worked hard for that…

 

[PDXGrizzly]

As for credibility, behold my field of f***s to give. Alas, it is barren.

I’d rather hold dog shit in my hands and clap than perpetuate your stance that everything is fine. It’s not.

Whether one agrees with you or not, one thing is for sure. This quip is a work of literary genius. Worth the price of admission (schlepping my barely justified interest through this post) fo sho.

Thanks! I plagiarize liberally.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Okay, now we know that you know where the o-line lines up. Great. As for the second to the last para, that has not been my observation. I think UM has designed run plays. I agree on the short yardage plays to some extent, but UM has also put the qb under center for some of those plays.

In any event, even if correct, none of those things equate to replacing the OC or the o-line coach. That's one of my pet peeves. The Griz do or don't do something. A poster's observation may or may not be correct. The poster says fire the coach.

Again, who do you think taught Dylan Cook to play o-line?

The thing that you keep coming back to is individuals. Germer having a great impact on individuals. That’s all fine and dandy, but there are 4 more guys playing at any given time. They have to work together and develop together. That includes back ups. I’ll concede that he has coached great individuals of late. But last I checked, football is a team sport.

Also, thanks for noticing that I know where the O-Line is! I worked hard for that…

The Griz o-line is good or at least pretty good this year, despite not-so-good last week. There will be some post-season honors on the line.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

The thing that you keep coming back to is individuals. Germer having a great impact on individuals. That’s all fine and dandy, but there are 4 more guys playing at any given time. They have to work together and develop together. That includes back ups. I’ll concede that he has coached great individuals of late. But last I checked, football is a team sport.

Also, thanks for noticing that I know where the O-Line is! I worked hard for that…

The Griz o-line is good or at least pretty good this year, despite not-so-good last week. There will be some post-season honors on the line.

From your lips to God ears, hoops. Nothing I’d love more.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The thing that you keep coming back to is individuals. Germer having a great impact on individuals. That’s all fine and dandy, but there are 4 more guys playing at any given time. They have to work together and develop together. That includes back ups. I’ll concede that he has coached great individuals of late. But last I checked, football is a team sport.

Also, thanks for noticing that I know where the O-Line is! I worked hard for that…

The Griz o-line is good or at least pretty good this year, despite not-so-good last week. There will be some post-season honors on the line.

There won’t be a Griz O-lineman 1st or 2nd team All-BSC. Anything after that is a participation trophy.