What I Saw From the TCU 3-3-5

[uofmman1122]

A true freshman at Georgia vs a true freshman at Montana are two entirely different athletes though.

So, Montana Freshmen aren't athletic enough? Aren't as Mature? I don't get that statement Brint. As a military man, I have trained 18–19-year old's from all over this nation and I rarely find a big difference from geography. Played against' bigger opponents I can see but if you can play you can play right?

Georgia gets several 18-19 year-old guys every year that could just skip school and go straight into the NFL and be fine from a physical standpoint. We have not and will never get those types of kids. Those Georgia freshmen could come here and immediately be some of the biggest, fastest and very best players in the entire FCS.

That’s not to say we never get kids that can play right away, Eli Gillman is a great example. He probably could’ve played all year last year and been pretty good, but the vast majority of our true freshman players are not physically ready to play, and this is true for pretty much every FCS team. That’s just not the case for Georgia (and Alabama/Ohio State/etc.), it’s a different world.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

A true freshman at Georgia vs a true freshman at Montana are two entirely different athletes though.

So, Montana Freshmen aren't athletic enough? Aren't as Mature? I don't get that statement Brint. As a military man, I have trained 18–19-year old's from all over this nation and I rarely find a big difference from geography. Played against' bigger opponents I can see but if you can play you can play right?

The point being that if you can play as a true frosh at that level, Montana was never on your radar. Year-round football coaching since you were seven + God-given talent = what you saw. Those boys probably weren't 'rasslin' in the winter growing up.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I am sure many of you watched the dismantling of TCU last evening by Georgia. This game was over in the first quarter.

Couple of comments I derived from watching the TCU 3-3-5 defense last night.

1) Georgia could have run for 450 yards if that has chosen to run more often
2) TCU stuffed the run for no-gain on 7-8 plays throughout the game, but also gave-up huge chunks of yardage on the rest of the running plays. It was either a "no-gain" play, or a big gain of 6-15 yards on running plays. This was very close to our run defense from the 3-3-5 last season. We had about the same number of "no-gain" plays against the run each game. But, because our free safety (Robby)frequently crashed-down to anticipate which hole the opposing RB would occupy, they broke for huge gains (and evenTDs) if he guessed wrong. TCU kept their free safety back from the LOS to prevent those 50-yard runs by Georgia. He made lots of tackles after gains of 8-15 yards as the last defender before a TD run.
3) TCU committed to stop the run early in that game, and Georgia quickly adjusted to passing the ball more early, with great success. TCU had few ways to adjust to what Georgia was doing, because they couldn't stop the run, as hoped, and their early commitment to moving a couple of their defensive backs close to the LOS to stop the run, back-fired on them when Bennett audibled to a pass after seeing the TCU alignment.

In summary, this game was a statement similar to what the Griz experienced during the 2022 season. That is, our 3-3-5 defense looked very good against weaker teams, but looked like TCU against great running teams like MSU and NDSU. And, this is why I don't think the 3-3-5 defense is a winning defense against the top teams in FCS . Just my opinion.

UM didn’t give up long runs last season, except 1 in first half and 3 in second half against NDSU. I posted an analysis several weeks ago. You need to change your narrative.

 

[reinell30]

So, Montana Freshmen aren't athletic enough? Aren't as Mature? I don't get that statement Brint. As a military man, I have trained 18–19-year old's from all over this nation and I rarely find a big difference from geography. Played against' bigger opponents I can see but if you can play you can play right?

The point being that if you can play as a true frosh at that level, Montana was never on your radar. Year-round football coaching since you were seven + God-given talent = what you saw. Those boys probably weren't 'rasslin' in the winter growing up.

I get it, just don't like it...don't you know? I was stationed in California and my son got to play baseball year around, put him light years ahead of the kids at our next base.

 

[Griz2k]

TCU could have used a 5-5-5 and they still would have got trucked.

Kind of how I felt watching the Griz get dismantled by MSU and NDSU. :lol:

Ouch!

 

[AZGrizFan]

I am sure many of you watched the dismantling of TCU last evening by Georgia. This game was over in the first quarter.

Couple of comments I derived from watching the TCU 3-3-5 defense last night.

1) Georgia could have run for 450 yards if that has chosen to run more often
2) TCU stuffed the run for no-gain on 7-8 plays throughout the game, but also gave-up huge chunks of yardage on the rest of the running plays. It was either a "no-gain" play, or a big gain of 6-15 yards on running plays. This was very close to our run defense from the 3-3-5 last season. We had about the same number of "no-gain" plays against the run each game. But, because our free safety (Robby)frequently crashed-down to anticipate which hole the opposing RB would occupy, they broke for huge gains (and evenTDs) if he guessed wrong. TCU kept their free safety back from the LOS to prevent those 50-yard runs by Georgia. He made lots of tackles after gains of 8-15 yards as the last defender before a TD run.
3) TCU committed to stop the run early in that game, and Georgia quickly adjusted to passing the ball more early, with great success. TCU had few ways to adjust to what Georgia was doing, because they couldn't stop the run, as hoped, and their early commitment to moving a couple of their defensive backs close to the LOS to stop the run, back-fired on them when Bennett audibled to a pass after seeing the TCU alignment.

In summary, this game was a statement similar to what the Griz experienced during the 2022 season. That is, our 3-3-5 defense looked very good against weaker teams, but looked like TCU against great running teams like MSU and NDSU. And, this is why I don't think the 3-3-5 defense is a winning defense against the top teams in FCS . Just my opinion.

UM didn’t give up long runs last season, except 1 in first half and 3 in second half against NDSU. I posted an analysis several weeks ago. You need to change your narrative.

Define “long”?

 

[Bok_Choi]

So, Montana Freshmen aren't athletic enough? Aren't as Mature? I don't get that statement Brint. As a military man, I have trained 18–19-year old's from all over this nation and I rarely find a big difference from geography. Played against' bigger opponents I can see but if you can play you can play right?

Georgia gets several 18-19 year-old guys every year that could just skip school and go straight into the NFL and be fine from a physical standpoint. We have not and will never get those types of kids. Those Georgia freshmen could come here and immediately be some of the biggest, fastest and very best players in the entire FCS.

That’s not to say we never get kids that can play right away, Eli Gillman is a great example. He probably could’ve played all year last year and been pretty good, but the vast majority of our true freshman players are not physically ready to play, and this is true for pretty much every FCS team. That’s just not the case for Georgia (and Alabama/Ohio State/etc.), it’s a different world.

Linemen playing as freshmen are the result of injuries or extreme talents and those Georgia kids were some kind of talents. At any level, running backs are the players most able to come into a new situation and contribute right away. They may need tutoring on passpro, or running patterns, but running with the ball is something they can do right out of the gate, or they wouldn't be there. Feast or famine for Montana, one year you go begging for a back and the next year, it's an embarrassment of riches. Baring catastrophic injury, you have to believe that Gillman will have a monster college career.

 

[mthoopsfan]

UM didn’t give up long runs last season, except 1 in first half and 3 in second half against NDSU. I posted an analysis several weeks ago. You need to change your narrative.

Define “long”?

You define and then show your analysis with stats. I proved my point a few weeks ago.

 

[uofmman1122]

Georgia gets several 18-19 year-old guys every year that could just skip school and go straight into the NFL and be fine from a physical standpoint. We have not and will never get those types of kids. Those Georgia freshmen could come here and immediately be some of the biggest, fastest and very best players in the entire FCS.

That’s not to say we never get kids that can play right away, Eli Gillman is a great example. He probably could’ve played all year last year and been pretty good, but the vast majority of our true freshman players are not physically ready to play, and this is true for pretty much every FCS team. That’s just not the case for Georgia (and Alabama/Ohio State/etc.), it’s a different world.

Linemen playing as freshmen are the result of injuries or extreme talents and those Georgia kids were some kind of talents. At any level, running backs are the players most able to come into a new situation and contribute right away. They may need tutoring on passpro, or running patterns, but running with the ball is something they can do right out of the gate, or they wouldn't be there. Feast or famine for Montana, one year you go begging for a back and the next year, it's an embarrassment of riches. Baring catastrophic injury, you have to believe that Gillman will have a monster college career.

I think he’s going to be special, and personally think it’s just a matter of when, not if, he’s going to take over as the starter next season.

 

[PhxGriz]

Define “long”?

You define and then show your analysis with stats. I proved my point a few weeks ago.

:lol:

 

[BWahlberg]

A true freshman at Georgia vs a true freshman at Montana are two entirely different athletes though.

So, Montana Freshmen aren't athletic enough? Aren't as Mature? I don't get that statement Brint. As a military man, I have trained 18–19-year old's from all over this nation and I rarely find a big difference from geography. Played against' bigger opponents I can see but if you can play you can play right?

Come on man - the 18 year olds that Georgia brings in are some of the VERY BEST high school football players in the entire country. Many who are bound for the NFL within a handful of years. They battle for the very best young men you can get. For the most part kids going to play football there have 1 goal on their mind, the NFL. The level of players they bring in aren't even close to what we bring in.

Our two programs don't bring in the caliber of kids, it isn't even close, and its impossible to compare the two.
I'm not saying that underclassmen can't contribute to a Montana team, I'm just saying using Georgia's roster decisions as a measuring stick to ours doesn't work.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The point being that if you can play as a true frosh at that level, Montana was never on your radar. Year-round football coaching since you were seven + God-given talent = what you saw. Those boys probably weren't 'rasslin' in the winter growing up.

I get it, just don't like it...don't you know? I was stationed in California and my son got to play baseball year around, put him light years ahead of the kids at our next base.

It's a very real thing. I have a 9yo who plays softball year-round. She has a pitching lesson tonight and wants to go to the cages afterward. It's lighted and it closes at 9pm, so I'm sure I'll be there until then. I've never pushed her into it. It's just available and keeps her off the iPad. I'm not saying it will lead to anything for her in particular, but you get the idea. A whole population of kids doing that, and some are going to rise to the top and be much more ready to contribute early at the college level in any sport. We don't seem to have that as much in Montana. Maybe someday.

 

[Griz2k]

Define “long”?

You define and then show your analysis with stats. I proved my point a few weeks ago.

Not that you asked me, but my definition of a long run is 20 yards or more. Too lazy to look up game stats though. Everyone's definition will differ depending on their narrative.

Edit: The Griz gave up at least 15 runs of 20 or more yards.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

So, Montana Freshmen aren't athletic enough? Aren't as Mature? I don't get that statement Brint. As a military man, I have trained 18–19-year old's from all over this nation and I rarely find a big difference from geography. Played against' bigger opponents I can see but if you can play you can play right?

Come on man - the 18 year olds that Georgia brings in are some of the VERY BEST high school football players in the entire country. Many who are bound for the NFL within a handful of years. They battle for the very best young men you can get. For the most part kids going to play football there have 1 goal on their mind, the NFL. The level of players they bring in aren't even close to what we bring in.

Our two programs don't bring in the caliber of kids, it isn't even close, and its impossible to compare the two.
I'm not saying that underclassmen can't contribute to a Montana team, I'm just saying using Georgia's roster decisions as a measuring stick to ours doesn't work.

I think this is just another way that reinell is trying to make his point that there are way too many Montana kids on the roster.

 

[fanofzoo]

TCU could have used a 5-5-5 and they still would have got trucked.

But then how could people treat another team’s failure in the NC game at a higher level as an indictment of Montana’s coaching staff?

Probably because we've been to the NC (under bob) and won how many ?

 

[PTGrizzly]

A true freshman at Georgia vs a true freshman at Montana are two entirely different athletes though.

So, Montana Freshmen aren't athletic enough? Aren't as Mature? I don't get that statement Brint. As a military man, I have trained 18–19-year old's from all over this nation and I rarely find a big difference from geography. Played against' bigger opponents I can see but if you can play you can play right?

The athletes that Georgia can recruit, and any FCS school can recruit, are not on the same level. It’s the cream of the crop, the top tier, vs the players either not good enough or not developed enough to get a P5 offer. Vastly different circumstances. Talent levels just aren’t the same.

 

[PTGrizzly]

So, Montana Freshmen aren't athletic enough? Aren't as Mature? I don't get that statement Brint. As a military man, I have trained 18–19-year old's from all over this nation and I rarely find a big difference from geography. Played against' bigger opponents I can see but if you can play you can play right?

Georgia gets several 18-19 year-old guys every year that could just skip school and go straight into the NFL and be fine from a physical standpoint. We have not and will never get those types of kids. Those Georgia freshmen could come here and immediately be some of the biggest, fastest and very best players in the entire FCS.

That’s not to say we never get kids that can play right away, Eli Gillman is a great example. He probably could’ve played all year last year and been pretty good, but the vast majority of our true freshman players are not physically ready to play, and this is true for pretty much every FCS team. That’s just not the case for Georgia (and Alabama/Ohio State/etc.), it’s a different world.

Several each year that could physically be ready to play in the NFL?

Uh…no. Again, whole different level. There’s maybe one or two of those guys every generation. Maybe. AP is one who maybe could have. Maybe.

 

[PTGrizzly]

Define “long”?

You define and then show your analysis with stats. I proved my point a few weeks ago.

Explosive would be 20+.

Long would be 8+.

That’s just my opinion. 8 is obviously an above average rush, I’d call it a long run in the grand scheme. An explosive run would be 20+ yards for me.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Georgia gets several 18-19 year-old guys every year that could just skip school and go straight into the NFL and be fine from a physical standpoint. We have not and will never get those types of kids. Those Georgia freshmen could come here and immediately be some of the biggest, fastest and very best players in the entire FCS.

That’s not to say we never get kids that can play right away, Eli Gillman is a great example. He probably could’ve played all year last year and been pretty good, but the vast majority of our true freshman players are not physically ready to play, and this is true for pretty much every FCS team. That’s just not the case for Georgia (and Alabama/Ohio State/etc.), it’s a different world.

Several each year that could physically be ready to play in the NFL?

Uh…no. Again, whole different level. There’s maybe one or two of those guys every generation. Maybe. AP is one who maybe could have. Maybe.

There's much more involved than playing the game year round. Last year Georgia had 15 kids drafted and many started and saw significant play time in the NFL this year. 19 of their early signed high school kids are on campus taking classes already

What began while I worked in Georgia's public schools is normal now and even expected--dual enrollment College courses and kids graduating a year or two early AND starting college as a junior. My last year prior to returning to Montana to care for my mother, the legislature directed the State DOE to require Algebra 1 for all eighth graders prior to their entering high school. (Yes, the first year 76 percent of the eighth grade class did not meet the minimum score on the state Criterion Referenced Test so there were struggles). One can only imagine a Kirby Smart coached practice knowing what those kids learned in a Georgia high school not just athletically but academically.

For what it's worth, Georgia has a state pay scale for their public school educators. Union bullsh*t as long as you're comparing Georgia athletes to Montana athletes? Lassiter High School had over 4000 kids when I was in Georgia. Good luck trying to consolidate and get rid of the fu*king union and OPI in Montana...

Google the HOPE Scholarship too. Yes, it's real.

 

[The.Real.2506]

Georgia is elite at every position. Players matter. But the game ball goes to the coaching staff at Georgia. They put on an absolute clinic on both sides of the ball.

TCU's offense was smothered. 188 total yards and 23 minutes TOP. Sound familiar? And they were a great offense most of the season. Defenses who spend more time on the field than not, are eventually going to wear out. And unlike the Michigan game, they weren't making a dent in the GA O-line.

Championships start and end with with recruiting and player development. The most successful programs develop their players. I heard the announcer say that Georgia has no portal players on their roster. Montana on the other hand, is out fishing every year for that next qb.

Its simply not true, Stetson Bennett went to UGA as a freshman walk-on, then transferred to a JC, then transferred back to UGA. I think you would have to consider him a transfer portal guy. How many more are there, don't believe everything Herbstriet says, he's an idiot.