What Griz need to accomplish to make playoffs

[AZGrizFan]

Did you listen to Andrew Schmidt talk about how Bobby's gotten soft and there are very few starters on the 2023 griz team that wouls have even seen the field back in the day when he played, and the griz were good? Does that not alarm you? Or do you think the ex griz player is full of S H I T, or lying?

I always love listening to Schmidt's perspective, but I also believe there is an element of "back in my day" involved. It's natural. We all do it to some extent. I catch myself thinking kids have it easy with online textbooks and taking exams on computers and that they'd never make it if they had to go to the library to study and write exams in bluebooks. That kind of stuff.

Kem probably thinks I'd never make it if I had to chisel the exam into stone tablets like he did.

Any of Bobby's teams from 1.0 would hang 50 on this team and win by 35. All day long.

 

[PhxGriz]

I always love listening to Schmidt's perspective, but I also believe there is an element of "back in my day" involved. It's natural. We all do it to some extent. I catch myself thinking kids have it easy with online textbooks and taking exams on computers and that they'd never make it if they had to go to the library to study and write exams in bluebooks. That kind of stuff.

Kem probably thinks I'd never make it if I had to chisel the exam into stone tablets like he did.

Any of Bobby's teams from 1.0 would hang 50 on this team and win by 35. All day long.

Bobby 1.0 inherited DOLA and simply maintained. He has yet to show us he can build from the ground up. As much as everyone seems to think Stitt was awful, his receivers sure came in handy for Bobby 2.0 when he first started. Now they are gone, and he hasn't been able to fill the playmaker gaps. Hell, he inherited Jensen as the first internally developed QB and ran him off. I do think Sneed was better, but man he should have tried to keep Jensen.

Edit: More accurate to say Bobby has been unable to properly utilize the talent he has recruited.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Doesn't matter who you think is better. Stetson is a counter win, ferris isn't. That was an idiotic game to schedule. Especially when you also had butler on the schedule. Gave no wiggle room to lose a game like last week. Now they need to beat a top 10 team to make it. Doubtful. If you're relying on 6 D1 wins with the best being at UC Davis, plus a 7 point win over Ferris as your playoffs resume, not happening. That's assuming they can win at Davis next week, which is nothing better than a pick 'em proposition. The NAU game used up all of their runway.

Ferris as a 7th D1 win may or may not keep UM out of the playoffs. Look at the criteria for playoff selection. 6 D1 teams have been selected on occasion in the past.

There is no may or may not. All have come from the MVDC Every year they have a strong SOS, and play FBS teams not D2.

For example in 2018 UNI was 6-5, 5-3 in the MVFC. They had the third best SOS

You don’t get a great SOS by playing D2, a transition team, and a Pioneer Conference team. Top that off with losing to NAU.

Quit trying to frame this into your narrative. A 7 win, being 6 D1 wins doesn’t have a chance. They won’t even be considered.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Ferris as a 7th D1 win may or may not keep UM out of the playoffs. Look at the criteria for playoff selection. 6 D1 teams have been selected on occasion in the past.

There is no may or may not. All have come from the MVDC Every year they have a strong SOS, and play FBS teams not D2.

For example in 2018 UNI was 6-5, 5-3 in the MVFC. They had the third best SOS

You don’t get a great SOS by playing D2, a transition team, and a Pioneer Conference team. Top that off with losing to NAU.

Quit trying to frame this into your narrative. A 7 win, being 6 D1 wins doesn’t have a chance. They won’t even be considered.

I agree with this. Cripes, they barely made it off the bubble last year...

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I always love listening to Schmidt's perspective, but I also believe there is an element of "back in my day" involved. It's natural. We all do it to some extent. I catch myself thinking kids have it easy with online textbooks and taking exams on computers and that they'd never make it if they had to go to the library to study and write exams in bluebooks. That kind of stuff.

Kem probably thinks I'd never make it if I had to chisel the exam into stone tablets like he did.

Any of Bobby's teams from 1.0 would hang 50 on this team and win by 35. All day long.

Maybe. I was a fan back then, too, and I remember some pretty shitty losses in games where we were very likely favorites. ISU 2003, PSU 2004, UMass 2006, Weber rolled us in 2008. That's not counting the other first round exits.

I'm not disagreeing that those teams were better relative to their competition. I'm only making the point that it's not exactly like we never stepped in our own shit back then.

 

[Ut-Grizfan]

I hope I'm proven wrong but I don't see us in the Playoffs this season, especially if the offense continues its terrible play. The best shots we have are against UNC, PSU and ISU, after that it's quite possible we could not win another game. Hell with how we've looked at WA-Griz (a place we should never struggle) it's been awful on offense. 6-5 and missing the playoffs, again I hope I'm proven wrong but I'm being realistic.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

I compared two teams: Ferris and Stetson. Do you think Stetson is better than Ferris? Let's hear your answer big boy. God, you are stupid.

Doesn't matter who you think is better. Stetson is a counter win, ferris isn't. That was an idiotic game to schedule. Especially when you also had butler on the schedule. Gave no wiggle room to lose a game like last week. Now they need to beat a top 10 team to make it. Doubtful. If you're relying on 6 D1 wins with the best being at UC Davis, plus a 7 point win over Ferris as your playoffs resume, not happening. That's assuming they can win at Davis next week, which is nothing better than a pick 'em proposition. The NAU game used up all of their runway.

Interestingly, this has turned out to not be true when you dig into it. It turns out, there is no minimum Division 1 victories.

I actually think there SHOULD be a requirement, but there is not, so there is no such thing as a "counter win"

 

[SoldierGriz]

Doesn't matter who you think is better. Stetson is a counter win, ferris isn't. That was an idiotic game to schedule. Especially when you also had butler on the schedule. Gave no wiggle room to lose a game like last week. Now they need to beat a top 10 team to make it. Doubtful. If you're relying on 6 D1 wins with the best being at UC Davis, plus a 7 point win over Ferris as your playoffs resume, not happening. That's assuming they can win at Davis next week, which is nothing better than a pick 'em proposition. The NAU game used up all of their runway.

Interestingly, this has turned out to not be true when you dig into it. It turns out, there is no minimum Division 1 victories.

I actually think there SHOULD be a requirement, but there is not, so there is no such thing as a "counter win"

Perhaps it's not a rule...but it is real.

Personally, I could give 2 craps about the criteria. There were times when those criteria were irrelevant to the Griz. It was just a matter of seeding. Home games thru the semis...seemed usual.

Now, we try to convince ourselves that we have a chance because we won x number of games...

What a friggin tumble from the top. Painful.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Ferris as a 7th D1 win may or may not keep UM out of the playoffs. Look at the criteria for playoff selection. 6 D1 teams have been selected on occasion in the past.

There is no may or may not. All have come from the MVDC Every year they have a strong SOS, and play FBS teams not D2.

For example in 2018 UNI was 6-5, 5-3 in the MVFC. They had the third best SOS

You don’t get a great SOS by playing D2, a transition team, and a Pioneer Conference team. Top that off with losing to NAU.

Quit trying to frame this into your narrative. A 7 win, being 6 D1 wins doesn’t have a chance. They won’t even be considered.

You just admitted that 6 D1 wins teams get selected
occasion. Perhaps not likely, but certainly possible. It also depends what and what the other bubble teams are.

 

[mthoopsfan]

There is no may or may not. All have come from the MVDC Every year they have a strong SOS, and play FBS teams not D2.

For example in 2018 UNI was 6-5, 5-3 in the MVFC. They had the third best SOS

You don’t get a great SOS by playing D2, a transition team, and a Pioneer Conference team. Top that off with losing to NAU.

Quit trying to frame this into your narrative. A 7 win, being 6 D1 wins doesn’t have a chance. They won’t even be considered.

I agree with this. Cripes, they barely made it off the bubble last year...

That poster said 6 D1 win teams sometimes get elected, and then said “6 D1 wins don’t have a chance”. He no already admitted 6 D1 teams can have a chance.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Doesn't matter who you think is better. Stetson is a counter win, ferris isn't. That was an idiotic game to schedule. Especially when you also had butler on the schedule. Gave no wiggle room to lose a game like last week. Now they need to beat a top 10 team to make it. Doubtful. If you're relying on 6 D1 wins with the best being at UC Davis, plus a 7 point win over Ferris as your playoffs resume, not happening. That's assuming they can win at Davis next week, which is nothing better than a pick 'em proposition. The NAU game used up all of their runway.

Interestingly, this has turned out to not be true when you dig into it. It turns out, there is no minimum Division 1 victories.

I actually think there SHOULD be a requirement, but there is not, so there is no such thing as a "counter win"

The Ferris win clearly counts as a win, but it doesn’t count as a D1 win. It’s add that some posters don’t understand that. It’s completely clear.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Interestingly, this has turned out to not be true when you dig into it. It turns out, there is no minimum Division 1 victories.

I actually think there SHOULD be a requirement, but there is not, so there is no such thing as a "counter win"

Perhaps it's not a rule...but it is real.

Personally, I could give 2 craps about the criteria. There were times when those criteria were irrelevant to the Griz. It was just a matter of seeding. Home games thru the semis...seemed usual.

Now, we try to convince ourselves that we have a chance because we won x number of games...

What a friggin tumble from the top. Painful.

Who’s trying to convince anyone that the Griz have a chance with 6 D1 wins? I am discussing what the selection criteria are. Why do so many egriz posters not know how to read and comprehend?

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Interestingly, this has turned out to not be true when you dig into it. It turns out, there is no minimum Division 1 victories.

I actually think there SHOULD be a requirement, but there is not, so there is no such thing as a "counter win"

The Ferris win clearly counts as a win, but it doesn’t count as a D1 win. It’s add that some posters don’t understand that. It’s completely clear.

Right, and i posted the NCAA rules in another thread. There is no minimum of D1 wins. It has just been said so often it was accepted as truth.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The Ferris win clearly counts as a win, but it doesn’t count as a D1 win. It’s add that some posters don’t understand that. It’s completely clear.

Right, and i posted the NCAA rules in another thread. There is no minimum of D1 wins. It has just been said so often it was accepted as truth.

It's the eGriz way. Remember when we couldn't have lights because the barkeeps wouldn't like it? Remember when they couldn't sell beer in the stadium or have a beer garden on the south end because we didn't have enough bathrooms, or because Hal and Ethel didn't want to give up their parking spot? Those things were believed for years; decades re: the lights.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Any of Bobby's teams from 1.0 would hang 50 on this team and win by 35. All day long.

Maybe. I was a fan back then, too, and I remember some pretty shitty losses in games where we were very likely favorites. ISU 2003, PSU 2004, UMass 2006, Weber rolled us in 2008. That's not counting the other first round exits.

I'm not disagreeing that those teams were better relative to their competition. I'm only making the point that it's not exactly like we never stepped in our own shit back then.

Losing, and losing the way we did Saturday are two ENTIRELY different animals.

 

[3-7-77]

Bobby would need to pull off at least three miracles, on the order of Moses. 1) turn this collection players into a damn good football team; 2) turn his friends into effective coaches; and, to prove he is capable of miracles, 3) part the waters of the Clark Fork.

 

[mthoopsfan]

The team doesn't have to do anything different than they had to do before the NAU game, other than to win one more game to make up for the NAU loss.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

The team doesn't have to do anything different than they had to do before the NAU game, other than to win one more game to make up for the NAU loss.

It isn’t that easy. They had to win 5 of 8 to be on the bubble before NAU.. Now they need to win to win 5 of 7 with one of the easiest teams gone.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The team doesn't have to do anything different than they had to do before the NAU game, other than to win one more game to make up for the NAU loss.

:lol: :lol:

What an absolutely myopic viewpoint.

 

[Ut-Grizfan]

The team doesn't have to do anything different than they had to do before the NAU game, other than to win one more game to make up for the NAU loss.

There's being optimistic and then there is...this. NAU was winless and had just got their ass beat by a team we ran all over. We have:

Idaho State, PSU and UNC: These games should have been solid win picks, now we have to be worried that our offense will show up. PSU may be deceptively good and we're playing on the road making it that much harder.

-UCD: Aggies are going to be a tall task on the road, even with their star offensive player gone. Only potentially not as tough as the other 3:

-Idaho, Sac State and MSU: As of now we have no shot in hell of competing with any of them. The only tiniest of slivers to be optimistic is that we're at Home vs Sac and MSU, then I look at our offense and that goes out the window.

6-5 missing the playoffs unfortunately is our most likely scenario, NAU was a needed win and we saw how that turned out. Hope I am proven wrong, but my gut tells me I wont.