What Came 1st, The Snap, or the Timeout?

[NorthwestFresh]

Rule, if in fact Choate was standing on the 3 (as one poster said), have you seen TO's called from there? I haven't or haven't noticed.

As a matter of fact, I have seen it before, somewhere last week

Coach Lombardi, who watches a different game than us mortals, is having one of the greatest meltdowns I've seen this season. Time to file that restraining order, Coach?

 

[PlayerRep]

Growler, is that you?

 

[IHateRobPhenicie]

Who cares when the time out was called? They should have punched it in on the next play. That's the only fact that matters.

 

[PlayerRep]

Who cares when the time out was called? They should have punched it in on the next play. That's the only fact that matters.

A number of the posters making the 222 posts, and 7,000 viewers, cared, even if you didn't. It's the most popular thread on the first page, I believe, and has been for days.

The more relevant question might be who cares what you think, judging from your posting history and your screen name.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Who cares when the time out was called? They should have punched it in on the next play. That's the only fact that matters.

A number of the posters making the 222 posts, and 7,000 viewers, cared, even if you didn't. It's the most popular thread on the first page, I believe, and has been for days.

The more relevant question might be who cares what you think, judging from your posting history and your screen name.

Of course it's the top thread, Coach Lombardi. Everyone watches a car wreck, and your meltdown in this thread is one for the ages.

 

[PlayerRep]

Who cares when the time out was called? They should have punched it in on the next play. That's the only fact that matters.

A number of the posters making the 222 posts, and 7,000 viewers, cared, even if you didn't. It's the most popular thread on the first page, I believe, and has been for days.

The more relevant question might be who cares what you think, judging from your posting history and your screen name.

Of course it's the top thread, Coach Lombardi. Everyone watches a car wreck, and your meltdown in this thread is one for the ages.

There has been no meltdown. The mess is this thread is you and your posting.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Who cares when the time out was called? They should have punched it in on the next play. That's the only fact that matters.

A number of the posters making the 222 posts, and 7,000 viewers, cared, even if you didn't. It's the most popular thread on the first page, I believe, and has been for days.

The more relevant question might be who cares what you think, judging from your posting history and your screen name.

Of course it's the top thread, Coach Lombardi. Everyone watches a car wreck, and your meltdown in this thread is one for the ages.

There has been no meltdown. The mess is this thread is you and your posting.

It has been an epic meltdown by you, Coach Lombardi. Thank you for being you, Coach.

 

[grizindabox]

No way this makes 17 pages

 

[Fahque]

Rule, if in fact Choate was standing on the 3 (as one poster said), have you seen TO's called from there? I haven't or haven't noticed.

The furthest down field I recall a coach being is between the 15 and 20 yard line. In my opinion, 10 yards out of the designated coaching box is within reason, depending on situation. I know, I've asked a few coaches to be aware of their coaching box in basketball. Again, a few feet is acceptable and reasonable, but coaches extending that out to the end of the court? Sorry, that won't fly with me officiating.

I do feel, the coaches box should be more emphasized in each sport. No question, rule changes to timeouts have to change as well. Another factor favoring that is player safety. What if a player got hurt on a play that didn't count, or the follow up play, because of a late whistle? There has to be something more reasonable for the officials, coaches, and fans. AS IS, it is a cluster F---!

The video i posted shows Choate down at the 3 yard line. You have be on Facebook to watch it though

 

[Fahque]

Here some responses from officials.

1. By rule, we have to grant a TO if it's requested while the ball is dead (before the snap). The timing of the whistle has no effect on if they get it or not. Officially the rule says "...an official shall allow a charged team timeout when requested by any player or head coach when the ball is dead"

If we're down near the goal line, we instruct the coach that they may run down the sideline to get our attention to request the TO (we're not looking back to the box).

2. Check Rule 3-4-3 (all parts). As Rob S said, if the ball is dead - and it is dead until it begins to move for a snap - a Head Coach or any of the 11 players on the field may request a timeout, and it SHALL be granted, if the ball is dead. An official may see the gesture or hear the verbal request a fraction of a second before the ball begins to move for the snap. At that instant, that official declares the ball dead in his mind, and checks the game clock for remaining time. It may take another half second to begin sounding his whistle, and begin signaling time out, while charging in toward the referee, to report the granted timeout and his positive knowledge of the time remaining. The clock will then be re-set as needed.
This isn’t interpreted. It is by rule. And the HC (only) may leave the team area for the exclusive and express purpose of requesting a timeout. So, yes, he may leave the team area, run down toward an official to get his attention and request a TO.

Hope this helps.


I am still trying to get better clarification of a coach actually being in the field of play while the players are in the process of lining up, or later.


As for the Calhoun situation. There was a lot more to his outcome than is public knowledge. Should a coach retain an upperclassman that has walked a fine line off the field, missed classes consistently, and didn't apply himself much academically? If so, what kind of example would that be setting for the younger players? Hauck made the right decision.

Sounds like what we all commonly see happen in games all the time. Matches well with how the refs operated in Cat/fizz too.

Except that Choate didn't run down the sideline to get the ref's attention, he was standing next to the ref at the 3-yard line the whole time.

 

[Fahque]

Did Choate run down the sideline to call the TO, or come earlier to tell the ref he wanted a TO and then stand near the ref?

I don't see that mentioned as being okay, in what Rule said.

What if Choate stood by the ref, and didn't call TO? Would that be permitted? Could he be yelling instructions to his team?

I like the possible no TO rule, after center touches ball, or offensive team is set and center is touching the ball.

I don't think a coach should be allowed to stand by ref on or near goal line, ie not in vicinity of coaching box, and call TO.

The rule/language that Rule quoted is seemingly contradictory to the language that says a coach may "request" a TO. I had seen the contradiction earlier too.

Yes. Choate told the ref he was going to call the timeout. Then he moved do a position so that the ref would see him when he called for or signaled it, because it was quite loud in there. It was an excellent coaching decision and the comments made by a ref (I presume) above validate that it was all completely within the rules of the game. Of course most of us already knew this, but now you do too.

According to the video i posted, he was next to the ref on the 3-yard line the entire time...not running down the sideline.

 

[The.Real.2506]

Here some responses from officials.

1. By rule, we have to grant a TO if it's requested while the ball is dead (before the snap). The timing of the whistle has no effect on if they get it or not. Officially the rule says "...an official shall allow a charged team timeout when requested by any player or head coach when the ball is dead"

If we're down near the goal line, we instruct the coach that they may run down the sideline to get our attention to request the TO (we're not looking back to the box).

2. Check Rule 3-4-3 (all parts). As Rob S said, if the ball is dead - and it is dead until it begins to move for a snap - a Head Coach or any of the 11 players on the field may request a timeout, and it SHALL be granted, if the ball is dead. An official may see the gesture or hear the verbal request a fraction of a second before the ball begins to move for the snap. At that instant, that official declares the ball dead in his mind, and checks the game clock for remaining time. It may take another half second to begin sounding his whistle, and begin signaling time out, while charging in toward the referee, to report the granted timeout and his positive knowledge of the time remaining. The clock will then be re-set as needed.
This isn’t interpreted. It is by rule. And the HC (only) may leave the team area for the exclusive and express purpose of requesting a timeout. So, yes, he may leave the team area, run down toward an official to get his attention and request a TO.

Hope this helps.


I am still trying to get better clarification of a coach actually being in the field of play while the players are in the process of lining up, or later.


As for the Calhoun situation. There was a lot more to his outcome than is public knowledge. Should a coach retain an upperclassman that has walked a fine line off the field, missed classes consistently, and didn't apply himself much academically? If so, what kind of example would that be setting for the younger players? Hauck made the right decision.

Sounds like what we all commonly see happen in games all the time. Matches well with how the refs operated in Cat/fizz too.

Except that Choate didn't run down the sideline to get the ref's attention, he was standing next to the ref at the 3-yard line the whole time.

Its a bead ball, and he had already told the ref he was going to call a timeout, nothing wrong with that.

 

[Fahque]

Here some responses from officials.

1. By rule, we have to grant a TO if it's requested while the ball is dead (before the snap). The timing of the whistle has no effect on if they get it or not. Officially the rule says "...an official shall allow a charged team timeout when requested by any player or head coach when the ball is dead"

If we're down near the goal line, we instruct the coach that they may run down the sideline to get our attention to request the TO (we're not looking back to the box).

2. Check Rule 3-4-3 (all parts). As Rob S said, if the ball is dead - and it is dead until it begins to move for a snap - a Head Coach or any of the 11 players on the field may request a timeout, and it SHALL be granted, if the ball is dead. An official may see the gesture or hear the verbal request a fraction of a second before the ball begins to move for the snap. At that instant, that official declares the ball dead in his mind, and checks the game clock for remaining time. It may take another half second to begin sounding his whistle, and begin signaling time out, while charging in toward the referee, to report the granted timeout and his positive knowledge of the time remaining. The clock will then be re-set as needed.
This isn’t interpreted. It is by rule. And the HC (only) may leave the team area for the exclusive and express purpose of requesting a timeout. So, yes, he may leave the team area, run down toward an official to get his attention and request a TO.

Hope this helps.


I am still trying to get better clarification of a coach actually being in the field of play while the players are in the process of lining up, or later.


As for the Calhoun situation. There was a lot more to his outcome than is public knowledge. Should a coach retain an upperclassman that has walked a fine line off the field, missed classes consistently, and didn't apply himself much academically? If so, what kind of example would that be setting for the younger players? Hauck made the right decision.

Sounds like what we all commonly see happen in games all the time. Matches well with how the refs operated in Cat/fizz too.

Except that Choate didn't run down the sideline to get the ref's attention, he was standing next to the ref at the 3-yard line the whole time.

Its a bead ball, and he had already told the ref he was going to call a timeout, nothing wrong with that.

Why does it matter if he told the ref he was going to call a time out?

 

[The.Real.2506]

Sounds like what we all commonly see happen in games all the time. Matches well with how the refs operated in Cat/fizz too.

Except that Choate didn't run down the sideline to get the ref's attention, he was standing next to the ref at the 3-yard line the whole time.

Its a bead ball, and he had already told the ref he was going to call a timeout, nothing wrong with that.

Why does it matter if he told the ref he was going to call a time out?

That way the ref knows why he is standing there and allows him to stay. He has a valid reason for being out of the players box.

This really isn't that difficult to figure out, even fizztards should be able to understand.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Fucking-A! C'mon! We need to get this shit together, guys.
-If the rule says you can only run out of the coach's box to get a TO, that's fine.
-If you can stand next to the ref out of the coach's box the whole time, then there's no such thing as a coach's box, and that's fine.
-If you can't gain 4" with two tries, that's not fine.
-If you can't let it go over a week later, that's not fine.

 

[RobertoGato]

f***[*]! C'mon! We need to get this shit together, guys.
-If the rule says you can only run out of the coach's box to get a TO, that's fine.
-If you can stand next to the ref out of the coach's box the whole time, then there's no such thing as a coach's box, and that's fine.
-If you can't gain 4" with two tries, that's not fine.
-If you can't let it go over a week later, that's not fine.

I've been reliably informed by Player Rep that everyone is 100% over it, but they find discussions over FCS time out protocol to be too tantalizing to stay away.

 

[jodcon]

No way this makes 17 pages

It will if I drag Stitt into it somehow. We'll see how it goes the next few pages...

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

Who cares when the time out was called? They should have punched it in on the next play. That's the only fact that matters.

A number of the posters making the 222 posts, and 7,000 viewers, cared, even if you didn't. It's the most popular thread on the first page, I believe, and has been for days.

The more relevant question might be who cares what you think, judging from your posting history and your screen name.

222 posts and nearly half are yours. Have you filed a complaint with the BSC yet? How about file a class action on behalf of the handful of disgruntled griz fans? Will this thread get to 17 pages? Inquiring minds want to know!

 

[PlayerRep]

Anyone want bet me over whether next year's winning team will be better behaved next year?

Will wait to send my letter until Cats are out of playoffs.

 

[kemajic]

It's not even close to 17 pages.