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[ddmann]

Was this the ugliest loss for UM? Perhaps.

I'm not entirely certain this was the ugliest loss I have seen, certainly in the last 25 years or so it is. But, back in the Dornblazer days we use to stink it up on a fairly regular basis. In those years I was in grade school and it was pretty easy to get into the stadium without paying. Often all you had to do was wait until the second quarter started then just walk right in. The bunch of us loved football and it did not matter whether the Griz won or lost, we got to see a real live football game!

Last night after the last of the bottle emptied, I remembered the fun we had at those games. This morning my attitude returned to me as if I was in the fourth grade all over again. At the beginning of the season I had predicted 5 wins this year. My reasons are the same as some have already started many times. An incredibly young and inexperienced "O" line was, and still is, my largest concern. A change in coaching always brings difficulties; new playbook, new methods, different philosophies, more starting Freshman than Seniors, etc.

The point is this, we, all of us, are now getting the chance to watch a team develop from essentially the ground up, to what I hope is a return to dominance and trips to the natty. I'm on board and I hope you are too.

 

[AZGrizFan]

if I had a dime for every time a poster here blamed a loss on the coaching I would be fucking rich. Players win and coaches lose on egriz and it’s actually just dumb.

If you go out with a great game plan and just get outplayed, that’s one thing. To go out flat, with a shitty game plan, and make zero changes for 30 minutes is squarely on the (offensive) coaches and the head coach.

Thank god the D held so many times or the 2nd half would have been a moot point and we would have been able to shut it off early. The D, and the D alone, kept us in that game.

 

[bgbigdog]

This is all Stitt’s fault.

 

[Eriul]

if I had a dime for every time a poster here blamed a loss on the coaching I would be f***[*] rich. Players win and coaches lose on egriz and it’s actually just dumb.

If you go out with a great game plan and just get outplayed, that’s one thing. To go out flat, with a shitty game plan, and make zero changes for 30 minutes is squarely on the (offensive) coaches and the head coach.

Thank god the D held so many times or the 2nd half would have been a moot point and we would have been able to shut it off early. The D, and the D alone, kept us in that game.

The problem is when the players fail to execute, we STILL say it's the coaches fault for "not preparing them."

But then if the players play well, the players are the ones who did everything. It's hypocrisy. I listen to Golic and Wingo a lot and Mike Golic says it about professionals but I believe the same applies to collegiate. At some point, it is on the player for not executing and not being mentally prepared.

I will concede that the coaches did not prepare for this game well. That said, this is a win if we drop 2 or 3 less balls. This is a win if the offensive line can give the QB longer than 3 seconds in the pocket. This is a win if Sneed doesn't fumble the first play, etc.

Plenty of blame to go around. It is a TEAM. The coaches AND the players are part of the team and the TEAM lost yesterday.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

if I had a dime for every time a poster here blamed a loss on the coaching I would be f***[*] rich. Players win and coaches lose on egriz and it’s actually just dumb.

If you go out with a great game plan and just get outplayed, that’s one thing. To go out flat, with a shitty game plan, and make zero changes for 30 minutes is squarely on the (offensive) coaches and the head coach.

Thank god the D held so many times or the 2nd half would have been a moot point and we would have been able to shut it off early. The D, and the D alone, kept us in that game.

The problem is when the players fail to execute, we STILL say it's the coaches fault for "not preparing them."

But then if the players play well, the players are the ones who did everything. It's hypocrisy. I listen to Golic and Wingo a lot and Mike Golic says it about professionals but I believe the same applies to collegiate. At some point, it is on the player for not executing and not being mentally prepared.

I will concede that the coaches did not prepare for this game well. That said, this is a win if we drop 2 or 3 less balls. This is a win if the offensive line can give the QB longer than 3 seconds in the pocket. This is a win if Sneed doesn't fumble the first play, etc.

Plenty of blame to go around. It is a TEAM. The coaches AND the players are part of the team and the TEAM lost yesterday.

Collegiete coaches who make excuses for losing to an awful team at home don't go over well. We've seen it firsthand. Thankfully BH doesn't appear to be one of those coaches. He took the L, as he should. He knows what he has to do now. Let's support him to make sure he gets the team above the bar by season's end.

 

[GGNez]

Was this the ugliest loss for UM? Perhaps.

I'm not entirely certain this was the ugliest loss I have seen, certainly in the last 25 years or so it is. But, back in the Dornblazer days we use to stink it up on a fairly regular basis. In those years I was in grade school and it was pretty easy to get into the stadium without paying. Often all you had to do was wait until the second quarter started then just walk right in. The bunch of us loved football and it did not matter whether the Griz won or lost, we got to see a real live football game!

Last night after the last of the bottle emptied, I remembered the fun we had at those games. This morning my attitude returned to me as if I was in the fourth grade all over again. At the beginning of the season I had predicted 5 wins this year. My reasons are the same as some have already started many times. An incredibly young and inexperienced "O" line was, and still is, my largest concern. A change in coaching always brings difficulties; new playbook, new methods, different philosophies, more starting Freshman than Seniors, etc.

The point is this, we, all of us, are now getting the chance to watch a team develop from essentially the ground up, to what I hope is a return to dominance and trips to the natty. I'm on board and I hope you are too.

Yup.

I’m in!!

 

[sdk.catfish]

by CDAGRIZ » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:17 pm
Plenty of blame to go around. It is a TEAM. The coaches AND the players are part of the team and the TEAM lost yesterday.
Collegiete coaches who make excuses for losing to an awful team at home don't go over well. We've seen it firsthand. Thankfully BH doesn't appear to be one of those coaches. He took the L, as he should. He knows what he has to do now. Let's support him to make sure he gets the team above the bar by season's end.

So what is the "bar" he needs to get above in your opinion?

 

[grizfnz]

Was this the ugliest loss for UM? Perhaps.

I'm not entirely certain this was the ugliest loss I have seen, certainly in the last 25 years or so it is. But, back in the Dornblazer days we use to stink it up on a fairly regular basis. In those years I was in grade school and it was pretty easy to get into the stadium without paying. Often all you had to do was wait until the second quarter started then just walk right in. The bunch of us loved football and it did not matter whether the Griz won or lost, we got to see a real live football game!

Last night after the last of the bottle emptied, I remembered the fun we had at those games. This morning my attitude returned to me as if I was in the fourth grade all over again. At the beginning of the season I had predicted 5 wins this year. My reasons are the same as some have already started many times. An incredibly young and inexperienced "O" line was, and still is, my largest concern. A change in coaching always brings difficulties; new playbook, new methods, different philosophies, more starting Freshman than Seniors, etc.

The point is this, we, all of us, are now getting the chance to watch a team develop from essentially the ground up, to what I hope is a return to dominance and trips to the natty. I'm on board and I hope you are too.

I thought the last coach was trying to develop from the ground up before the rug was pulled out from underneath him, after no losing seasons.....
Just sayin

 

[CDAGRIZ]

by CDAGRIZ » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:17 pm
Plenty of blame to go around. It is a TEAM. The coaches AND the players are part of the team and the TEAM lost yesterday.
Collegiete coaches who make excuses for losing to an awful team at home don't go over well. We've seen it firsthand. Thankfully BH doesn't appear to be one of those coaches. He took the L, as he should. He knows what he has to do now. Let's support him to make sure he gets the team above the bar by season's end.

So what is the "bar" he needs to get above in your opinion?

Not my opinion. The fact is the bar is better than 7-4 and playoffs. Im sure he knows it. He will make it happen. I have very little doubt.

 

[grizindabox]

by CDAGRIZ » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:17 pm
Plenty of blame to go around. It is a TEAM. The coaches AND the players are part of the team and the TEAM lost yesterday.
Collegiete coaches who make excuses for losing to an awful team at home don't go over well. We've seen it firsthand. Thankfully BH doesn't appear to be one of those coaches. He took the L, as he should. He knows what he has to do now. Let's support him to make sure he gets the team above the bar by season's end.

So what is the "bar" he needs to get above in your opinion?

Not my opinion. The fact is the bar is better than 7-4 and playoffs. Im sure he knows it. He will make it happen. I have very little doubt.

So do we know what the consequences are if the bar is not met?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

by CDAGRIZ » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:17 pm
Plenty of blame to go around. It is a TEAM. The coaches AND the players are part of the team and the TEAM lost yesterday.
Collegiete coaches who make excuses for losing to an awful team at home don't go over well. We've seen it firsthand. Thankfully BH doesn't appear to be one of those coaches. He took the L, as he should. He knows what he has to do now. Let's support him to make sure he gets the team above the bar by season's end.

So what is the "bar" he needs to get above in your opinion?

Not my opinion. The fact is the bar is better than 7-4 and playoffs. Im sure he knows it. He will make it happen. I have very little doubt.

So do we know what the consequences are if the bar is not met?

I hate to even think about it. After the 'splainin', I'd guess maybe some booster threats, or something. The consequences would have to be dire, but I don't think it'll have to come to that.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

Why does it always have to be an "or" thing with people? It's an "and" thing. Blame can be placed on both the coaches and players. PSU came to play. Our offense didn't.

 

[grizindabox]

So what is the "bar" he needs to get above in your opinion?

Not my opinion. The fact is the bar is better than 7-4 and playoffs. Im sure he knows it. He will make it happen. I have very little doubt.

So do we know what the consequences are if the bar is not met?

I hate to even think about it. After the 'splainin', I'd guess maybe some booster threats, or something. The consequences would have to be dire, but I don't think it'll have to come to that.

Great, irrational, whiny boosters.

 

[AZGrizFan]

if I had a dime for every time a poster here blamed a loss on the coaching I would be f***[*] rich. Players win and coaches lose on egriz and it’s actually just dumb.

If you go out with a great game plan and just get outplayed, that’s one thing. To go out flat, with a shitty game plan, and make zero changes for 30 minutes is squarely on the (offensive) coaches and the head coach.

Thank god the D held so many times or the 2nd half would have been a moot point and we would have been able to shut it off early. The D, and the D alone, kept us in that game.

The problem is when the players fail to execute, we STILL say it's the coaches fault for "not preparing them."

But then if the players play well, the players are the ones who did everything. It's hypocrisy. I listen to Golic and Wingo a lot and Mike Golic says it about professionals but I believe the same applies to collegiate. At some point, it is on the player for not executing and not being mentally prepared.

I will concede that the coaches did not prepare for this game well. That said, this is a win if we drop 2 or 3 less balls. This is a win if the offensive line can give the QB longer than 3 seconds in the pocket. This is a win if Sneed doesn't fumble the first play, etc.

Plenty of blame to go around. It is a TEAM. The coaches AND the players are part of the team and the TEAM lost yesterday.

Agreed. But many (including many here) are willing to give Hauck a pass, which is inappropriate.

 

['68griz]

by CDAGRIZ » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:17 pm
Plenty of blame to go around. It is a TEAM. The coaches AND the players are part of the team and the TEAM lost yesterday.
Collegiete coaches who make excuses for losing to an awful team at home don't go over well. We've seen it firsthand. Thankfully BH doesn't appear to be one of those coaches. He took the L, as he should. He knows what he has to do now. Let's support him to make sure he gets the team above the bar by season's end.

So what is the "bar" he needs to get above in your opinion?

Not my opinion. The fact is the bar is better than 7-4 and playoffs. Im sure he knows it. He will make it happen. I have very little doubt.

And when do you think that would happen?

 

[kemajic]

Was this the ugliest loss for UM? Perhaps.

I'm not entirely certain this was the ugliest loss I have seen, certainly in the last 25 years or so it is. But, back in the Dornblazer days we use to stink it up on a fairly regular basis. In those years I was in grade school and it was pretty easy to get into the stadium without paying. Often all you had to do was wait until the second quarter started then just walk right in. The bunch of us loved football and it did not matter whether the Griz won or lost, we got to see a real live football game!

Last night after the last of the bottle emptied, I remembered the fun we had at those games. This morning my attitude returned to me as if I was in the fourth grade all over again. At the beginning of the season I had predicted 5 wins this year. My reasons are the same as some have already started many times. An incredibly young and inexperienced "O" line was, and still is, my largest concern. A change in coaching always brings difficulties; new playbook, new methods, different philosophies, more starting Freshman than Seniors, etc.

The point is this, we, all of us, are now getting the chance to watch a team develop from essentially the ground up, to what I hope is a return to dominance and trips to the natty. I'm on board and I hope you are too.

I thought the last coach was trying to develop from the ground up before the rug was pulled out from underneath him, after no losing seasons.....
Just sayin

After three years there was no evidence of development from the ground up. How many years would you have him embarrass the program by bad losses to bad MSU teams?

With this young team there will be evidence of development by next month.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

by CDAGRIZ » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:17 pm
Plenty of blame to go around. It is a TEAM. The coaches AND the players are part of the team and the TEAM lost yesterday.
Collegiete coaches who make excuses for losing to an awful team at home don't go over well. We've seen it firsthand. Thankfully BH doesn't appear to be one of those coaches. He took the L, as he should. He knows what he has to do now. Let's support him to make sure he gets the team above the bar by season's end.

So what is the "bar" he needs to get above in your opinion?

Not my opinion. The fact is the bar is better than 7-4 and playoffs. Im sure he knows it. He will make it happen. I have very little doubt.

And when do you think that would happen?

2018. Gotta happen.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Was this the ugliest loss for UM? Perhaps.

I'm not entirely certain this was the ugliest loss I have seen, certainly in the last 25 years or so it is. But, back in the Dornblazer days we use to stink it up on a fairly regular basis. In those years I was in grade school and it was pretty easy to get into the stadium without paying. Often all you had to do was wait until the second quarter started then just walk right in. The bunch of us loved football and it did not matter whether the Griz won or lost, we got to see a real live football game!

Last night after the last of the bottle emptied, I remembered the fun we had at those games. This morning my attitude returned to me as if I was in the fourth grade all over again. At the beginning of the season I had predicted 5 wins this year. My reasons are the same as some have already started many times. An incredibly young and inexperienced "O" line was, and still is, my largest concern. A change in coaching always brings difficulties; new playbook, new methods, different philosophies, more starting Freshman than Seniors, etc.

The point is this, we, all of us, are now getting the chance to watch a team develop from essentially the ground up, to what I hope is a return to dominance and trips to the natty. I'm on board and I hope you are too.

I thought the last coach was trying to develop from the ground up before the rug was pulled out from underneath him, after no losing seasons.....
Just sayin

After three years there was no evidence of development from the ground up. How many years would you have him embarrass the program by bad losses to bad MSU teams?

With this young team there will be evidence of development by next month.

Yeah. Bad losses to PSU teams that haven’t won a D-1 game in 2 years are much better. Much easier to swallow.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Was this the ugliest loss for UM? Perhaps.

I'm not entirely certain this was the ugliest loss I have seen, certainly in the last 25 years or so it is. But, back in the Dornblazer days we use to stink it up on a fairly regular basis. In those years I was in grade school and it was pretty easy to get into the stadium without paying. Often all you had to do was wait until the second quarter started then just walk right in. The bunch of us loved football and it did not matter whether the Griz won or lost, we got to see a real live football game!

Last night after the last of the bottle emptied, I remembered the fun we had at those games. This morning my attitude returned to me as if I was in the fourth grade all over again. At the beginning of the season I had predicted 5 wins this year. My reasons are the same as some have already started many times. An incredibly young and inexperienced "O" line was, and still is, my largest concern. A change in coaching always brings difficulties; new playbook, new methods, different philosophies, more starting Freshman than Seniors, etc.

The point is this, we, all of us, are now getting the chance to watch a team develop from essentially the ground up, to what I hope is a return to dominance and trips to the natty. I'm on board and I hope you are too.

I thought the last coach was trying to develop from the ground up before the rug was pulled out from underneath him, after no losing seasons.....
Just sayin

After three years there was no evidence of development from the ground up. How many years would you have him embarrass the program by bad losses to bad MSU teams?
With this young team there will be evidence of development by next month.

ZERO years. In reality, a coach should get one embarrassing loss to a State U team. I hope we saw the first and last such loss on Saturday.

I know you're right about the young team being one year older now and developing by next month. Gotta get it done from a staff level. No more excuses.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Bobby should have made the team watch the Vikings -Bills game Friday night.