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Weekly Position Discussion: Week 6, Linebackers

indian-outlaw said:
Brint I agree with you to a certain extent. Your situation is different because you are not anonymous on here like most everyone else so when growler makes threats and insults it is actually personal. Wolfman/growler may not be much of a reader of the constitution but the egriz characters are what keep us coming back especially in the offseason. This place would dry up and blow away without the drama created by these priceless hambones. You gotta hand it to growler he remains a pompous prick in spite of a video posted of him picking his ass in front of a stadium full of people. A lesser man would put his tail between his legs and disappear.. Think back about the entertaining shit storms dubfonzy created, I really miss him as well. And who can forget about everettgriz throwing down the gauntlet (in his headband and tennis geddyup) and bravely challenging alphagriz to a decatholon As griz fans we need to embrace these bit players for the passion they bring to the board. I’ve been a griz fan for many years, way before most on here and believe me passion is good.

I agree, I think that disagreement, argument, trash talk, etc is what makes this board fun. I think we're totally on the same page there. Passion is good, and differing opinions is what makes this board fun.

Growler takes it too far, threatening to harm or kill someone is insane. If he didn't take things that far then he's probably be just a regular a-hole that posts on here like many others.
 
BWahlberg said:
indian-outlaw said:
Brint I agree with you to a certain extent. Your situation is different because you are not anonymous on here like most everyone else so when growler makes threats and insults it is actually personal. Wolfman/growler may not be much of a reader of the constitution but the egriz characters are what keep us coming back especially in the offseason. This place would dry up and blow away without the drama created by these priceless hambones. You gotta hand it to growler he remains a pompous prick in spite of a video posted of him picking his ass in front of a stadium full of people. A lesser man would put his tail between his legs and disappear.. Think back about the entertaining shit storms dubfonzy created, I really miss him as well. And who can forget about everettgriz throwing down the gauntlet (in his headband and tennis geddyup) and bravely challenging alphagriz to a decatholon As griz fans we need to embrace these bit players for the passion they bring to the board. I’ve been a griz fan for many years, way before most on here and believe me passion is good.
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I agree, I think that disagreement, argument, trash talk, etc is what makes this board fun. I think we're totally on the same page there. Passion is good, and differing opinions is what makes this board fun.

Growler takes it too far, threatening to harm or kill someone is insane. If he didn't take things that far then he's probably be just a regular a-hole that posts on here like many others.

Growler:

I think you have entertainment value too. I also think that you're a "football smart" poster. Can you just cool the "death threats"at least? That seems like a fair first step to full E-Griz communion, no? Nobody wants to come to E-Griz after a long
day at work and hear that type of nonsense. I agree with Brint on that.
 
Brint, very well put. I can stand almost everything Growler has posted except the racial stuff. I'm as big a supporter of free speech as there is, but the racial stuff he has posted over the years is what led me to give a flying eff how many times he gets banned. Case in point, his blatant lie about a Arizona WR who verbaled to the Griz, eventually going to New Mexico or New Mexico State. Growler went on and on about how he was a huge thug and had multiple arrests in high school. After that was easily disproved, hedecided to just call the kid a cancer to his team claiming he knew his HS coaches and even they didn't like him.

That said, I posted a while back, asking the mods to allow Growler back in. So what does he do? Run to maroonblood.com (Alpha plug) and claim how the "pinheads" can't stand Egriz now that he's gone, and went on to say he would never come back to this board again. Now we see two screen names in three days? Brint is right. he just goes too far.
 
See, the Hitler Youth Corps has already banned my user name, forcing me to get yet another!

Brint, your claims about me are lies. I challenge you to put your money where your mouth is. Either find one of my posts where I threatened to shoot someone, in which case I will gladly give you $1000, or STFU and pay me $500 because you know that you are fabricating this sh*t.

I have a concealed weapon permit, and stated that I would have no hesitation using my weapon if threatened. That is NOT a threat against any poster on this board, even though a certain poster has lied about confronting me at the Mo Club, which never happened.

As for Michael Hawthorne, I stand FIRMLY behind my story. Are you really that naive to believe that he would admit to saying these things about Hauck, when his son was an active Griz player? Of course he denied it. Get a clue dude, before lying to the board in a futile attempt to prove your point that I should be banned. We all know the REAL reason you want me banned...... I expose your sugar-coating and jock-sniffing, and you don't like it.

How does it fell Brinty, to have to whine and cajole your minions to ban your nemesis, in order to maintain your status and the self-anointed board guru?

I will be banned again in 5-4-3-....... but, I will return, and they know it. You can't stop the Wolfman, you can only hope to contain him!
 
G1 you know I can't show your post threatening to kill Alpha because that post, your actions single handedly shut down that message board.
 
MrTitleist said:
Actually, I can stop the Wolfman...

Later D-Bag!

The emperor has spoken!

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EverettGriz said:
GrizBoard said:
I'm sure you're all shocked to know that brian s is none other than Mr Growler1. Say buh-bye Growler.


Yes. Shocked....


The dude keeps getting himself into these pickles, doesn't he?....

LMAO!!!! I see what you just did there. Classic. :thumb: :lol: :clap:
 
BWahlberg said:
We've got two positions left on defense and they're the two strongest units of the defense, this week we'll take a look at the linebackers. This group is rich with talent and experience with it's starters and while there isn't much experience in the depth there is a lot of talented players that will need to get time in this year to build experience. What'll be interesting to see in these pre-season discussion is if all three of our starters make the Cat-Griz Insider top 10 list (I think they should).

LBs: Jordan Tripp, Brock Coyle, John Kanongata'a, Addison Owen, Jeremiah Kose, Kelsey Lippert, Kendrick Van Ackeren, Connor Lebsock, Tucker Schye.

Projected Depth
Starters: Jordan Tripp (senior), Brock Coyle (senior), JP Kanongata'a (senior)
Backup: Addison Owen (soph), Jeremiah Kose (soph), Kendrick Van Ackeren (soph)
Depth: Connor Lebsock (soph), Kelsey Lippert (soph)
Red Shirt: Tucker Schye (frosh)

Strengths/Weaknesses

Jordan Tripp - Jordan might be one of the very best linebackers ever to suit up in a Montana jersey, this senior season he's got an opportunity to prove he can play on Sundays. He's got the mix of the size, speed, and smarts. He's good in pass coverage, defends the zone-read fairly well, hits hard, and is a leader on and off the field. This year Jordan needs to round out his game, he can't get caught from behind while looking into the stands after a pick and he's got to do his 1/11 and not try to make up for others who get out of position. I noticed that with Tripp last year, at times he was trying to do 2 or 3 players jobs and it would catch him on his heels. I could see Jordan being an ideal 3-4 OLB in the NFL - hopefully this year he keeps going strong, gets after the QBs and piles up the tackles.

Brock Coyle - If I could place a bet on who will finish with the most tackles on the team, I'd put it on Brock. This guy, much like the middle linebackers he's followed (McSurdy and Lebsock), has a nose for the ball. The big thing I want to see in improvement from Brock is forcing turnovers, last year he forced 2 fumbles and recovered one. That's not bad but I'd love to see those numbers double. Brock is a very sure tackler, hopefully he can include more pop to his tackles and force a few more footballs out of the ball carriers hands. Zone/pass coverage wasn't bad in 2012, but hopefully improvement is made there as well. Coyle, much like McSurdy going into his senior year, has a chance to pile up huge numbers and could also get an NFL look.

JP Kanongata'a - Under-rated, IMO, and sometimes forgotten about when our stud LBs are discussed JP has gone from a linebacker who was labeled as too short and too slow to being a solid part of our defense. I think his power-rush when blitzing is the best of all the linebackers. He's quick in coverage and smart on the field. The combination of JP and Tripp on the edges makes for running outside of the tackles very difficult. JP, much like Coyle, needs to improve forcing fumbles, also needs to get into the backfield more and be more disruptive.

Addison Owen - Owen worked in some ST reps last year and will looked upon to contribute there this year as well. In addition Addison should start to see even more reps at outside linebacker. Addison has worked through his conversion from safety in high school to OLB at Montana and played well in the spring. He's very smart in pass coverage but still finds himself out of position at times on the field. Gregorak yells at him a lot (but not as much as he used to), Addison needs to keep improving his rush-defense as well. He's a very versatile player, can cover very well, is really quick. Pass-rush isn't there yet.

Jeremiah Kose - Jeremiah came in last fall recovering from knee surgery and didn't play too much. This spring after seeing him out there and even starting at middle linebacker in the last scrimmage I'm really impressed. Kose tracks the ball-carrier really well, he stays with running backs all the way to the sidelines He's a hard hitter too. Pass coverage is suspect, in a few scrimmages the middle of the field was a pretty easy target to exploit.

Kendrick Van Ackeren - We've got a very limited scope in what we've seen from him but he's poised to grab a starting spot and hold it down for 2 years after this season. Brought in to help at safety he wasn't adapting the playbook well and was just not breaking through like expected. He played OLB at Hawai'i and suddenly when he moved to that spot he killed it. If that small sample we saw is an indicator of what he can contribute - much like Addison Owen - he will be able to come in and play multiple series each game to help keep the starters fresh.

Kelsey Lippert - Lippert took an expanded role this spring due to the resting and injuries of a few other linebackers. In run support he looked pretty solid to me. He was in on a lot of tackles. I didn't see much from him in pass coverage so I can't say how he does there. This year I assume his main role will be special teams with the plan to fight for a starting spot in 2014.

Connor Lebsock - Missed spring ball I believe. Converting from safety to linebacker, I recall someone on here posting that he's added some weight and it doing well. Probably looking at mostly ST duty this year. I'll be interested to see how he looks in fall camp, he was a quick player at safety but now a little bigger/stronger, he's making an Addison Owen-like move, which I would guess will take some time to adjust to.

Tucker Schye - I really liked what I saw from Schye in his highlight reel and the talk around him from all-star games and camps continues to be great. Considering we've got 3 seniors and 5 sophomores the depth is in good shape this year, I'd like to see Schye red-shirt so we can get 4 full years from him. I do wonder about speed/footwork of this level and adapting to it - a red shirt may help that.


With the strength at LB (http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=62162" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), the weakness at S (http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=62018" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) and KVA's potential at LB, S or both, why not DB? If he's goin' to be a backup, why not a backup SS with the DB weaknesses? Smh.

Oh well, I'll be the first to cheer and give them credit if their strategies succeed; I'll be the first to jeer and take credit if their strategies fail. That's fair, eh?
 
July 15, 2013 3:00 pm • By Greg Rachac
NOTE: This is the third installment of our weekly series projecting the Top 10 players at each position for the 2013 Big Sky Conference football season.

Who is the best linebacker the Big Sky Conference has ever produced? There's plenty to choose from. Going way back in time, the first Big Sky linebacker drafted in the NFL was Idaho's LaVerle Pratt in 1966. Pratt never played in the NFL though, and since then the linebacker position has been redefined. In recent seasons, guys like Jody Owens, Caleb McSurdy, J.C. Sherrit, A.J. Storms, Cristian Sarmento and Cyrus Mulitalo stood out.

This year, there is again a big list of star linebackers in the Big Sky. It seems each season that list grows bigger and bigger. In 2013, a whopping 15 all-conference performers return at this position. Don't forget to check out the stats. And again, I've combined pass breakups and passes defensed into one number for the "pass def" statistic you'll see below. And as a quick aside, Montana State's Na'a Moeakiola would have been on this list, but offseason shoulder surgery has sidelined him indefinitely.

TOP 10 LINEBACKERS FOR 2013

1. JORDAN TRIPP, OLB, SR., MONTANA 2012: 95 tkl, 13½ tfl, 5½ sacks, 4 ff, 1 fum rec, 1 int, 5 pass def, 1 TD. THE BUZZ FOR 2013: There aren't many players as intense as Tripp -- on defense or otherwise. He's incredibly focused on his job, and that makes him the most complete linebacker in the Big Sky. Speed, strength, power, and especially smarts ... they're all adjectives to describe Tripp. He's great against the run, he rushes the quarterback and he can drop back in coverage. Tripp's name appears on a few preseason FCS All-America lists, and he's obviously the favorite to win the Big Sky defensive MVP award. He should have Buck Buchanan-type year.

2. ZAK BROWNING, ILB, SO., SOUTHERN UTAH 2012: 115 tkl, 5½ tfl, 1½ sacks, 4 ff, 1 fum rec, 1 int, 7 pass def. THE BUZZ FOR 2013: Who said true freshmen can't make a huge impact? Not anyone who watched Southern Utah on defense last year. Browning, in his first year of college football, emerged as one of the Big Sky's top linebackers, and was named the league's newcomer of the year. He was also a finalist for the Jerry Rice Award as the top freshman in the FCS. Perhaps his best performance came in an upset victory over the Griz, when he had 18 tackles, the most by an SUU freshman since '02. This season gives Browning a chance to be even better.

3. CLARENCE BUMPAS, ILB, SR., NORTHERN COLORADO 2012: 49 tkl, 3 tfl, 1 sack, 1 int, 1 pass def. THE BUZZ FOR 2013: Bumpas, who dropped down to UNC from FBS Kansas State a couple years back, was on his way to another monster year in 2012 ... until he suffered a season-ending arm injury in a homecoming loss to Montana. So his numbers weren't as good a year ago. On another note, he's grieving the recent death of his young son right now. If healthy and able to play, Bumpas should return to his typical form this year, which means well over 100 tackles -- and trouble for ball-carriers. Bumpas might be the most physical linebacker in the Big Sky.

4. RONNIE HAMLIN, ILB, SR., EASTERN WASHINGTON 2012: 136 tkl, 11½ tfl, ½ sack, 2 ff, 1 fum rec, 2 int, 10 pass def. THE BUZZ FOR 2013: Hamlin's 136 total tackles were by far the most in the Big Sky last year for a team that won two playoff games and probably should have beaten Sam Houston State in the semis for another berth in the title game. Hamlin's numbers were higher because he played in 14 games, but he still averaged about 10 tackles per game. He was an All-America selection last season. Hamlin is a bit undersized (he was listed at 210 pounds in 2012) but that doesn't stop him from making plays. He should be all over the field again.

5. BROCK COYLE, ILB, SR. MONTANA 2012: 107 tkl, 6½ tfl, 2 sacks, 2 ff, 2 fum rec, 8 pass def. THE BUZZ FOR 2013: Coyle reminds me a lot of former Grizzlies linebacker Caleb McSurdy, both in build and style. McSurdy had a really good year as a junior, then established himself as the best defensive player in the league as a senior. After a solid 2012 season, can Coyle replicate McSurdy's progression? Coyle at least comes into his senior year off a solid performance against Montana State in the season finale, when he was in on 19 tackles. He led the Grizzlies in total stops last season and is a good bet to do the same this year.

6. ANTHONY MORALES, ILB, SR. WEBER STATE 2012: 108 tkl, 9½ tfl, ½ sack, 1 ff. THE BUZZ FOR 2013: Perhaps Morales doesn't get enough credit for the way he's played the last couple years. After all, he did lead the Big Sky in per-game tackles as a junior last season (12.0) because he constantly swallows up ball carriers. Morales, a second-team all-league pick, had a 23-tackle game in a loss to Montana a year ago, the sixth-most in a game in school history. He'll make plenty of plays again this year, but Weber State's defense needs to improve from finishing 11th overall in the league in 2012 if it is going to win more games under coach Jody Sears.

7. ALEX SINGLETON, OLB, JR., MONTANA STATE 2012: 23 tkl, 6 tfl, 1 sack, 1 int. THE BUZZ FOR 2013: Buzz? There's plenty surrounding Singleton, who the Bobcats believe will fill the shoes of departed league defensive MVP (Owens) on the outside. Singleton made a few impressive plays after Owens got hurt in MSU's quarterfinal playoff loss to Sam Houston State last year, and now the expectations are sky high. Better than 25 percent of Singleton's tackles last season were made behind the line of scrimmage, and if that trend holds true with more playing time, he'll be a beast. The Thousand Oaks, Calif., product has waited for his time, and now it's here.

8. NICK DZUBNAR, ILB, JR., CAL POLY 2012: 107 tkl, 6 tfl, 1 sack, 2 ff, 2 fum rec, 1 int, 11 pass def, 1 TD. THE BUZZ FOR 2013: Dzubnar came of age last year, and led the team in tackles. This year he is moving from his usual spot on the outside to fill the inside linebacker role vacated by departed star Kennith Jackson. How much of an effect will this have on Dzubnar's game? Probably not a whole lot; he'll still have a major impact. Dzubnar was a big reason Cal Poly had such a strong first season as a member of the Big Sky, earning a share of the league title while nearly pulling off an upset over Sam Houston State in the second round of the playoffs.

9. TODD DAVIS, ILB, SR. SACRAMENTO STATE 2012: 103 tkl, 13½ tfl, 3½ sacks, 1 fum rec, 4 pass def. THE BUZZ FOR 2013: After making 21 tackles as a freshman defensive end in 2010, Davis came back with two straight all-conference seasons as an outside 'backer. Last year he led the team in tackles and earned Sac State's defensive MVP award. His penchant for making stops behind the line of scrimmage especially stands out. Davis lives by a "the next play is your best play” mantra, which clearly serves him well. In the No. 10 spot on this list, perhaps I'm underrating Davis. He's surely capable of being a first-team All-Big Sky player.

10. TREVOR SPENCE, OLB, SR., IDAHO STATE 2012: 90 tkl, 6 tfl, 3 sacks, 1 int, 9 pass def. THE BUZZ FOR 2013: OK, so Idaho State hasn't had much to cheer about in awhile. A long while, actually. But it doesn't mean the Bengals have no talent. Spence is a guy who increased his production exponentially last season, and had one of the best games of any linebacker (20 tackles) against Cal Poly a season ago. A lot of times tackle totals can be inflated because the defense is on the field a lot, and in ISU's case it was, but Spence should be one to watch on a unit that aims to make vast improvements this year after ranked last in the 13-team Big Sky.

*** NATIONAL NO. 1: TYLER STARR, OLB, SR., SOUTH DAKOTA. Starr might be the best pure pro prospect Joe Glenn has ever coached. As a sophomore, the 6-foot-5, 230-pound Starr broke out with 14 sacks, 7 forced fumbles and 19 tackles for loss. His numbers weren't quite as ridiculous last year, but he remains the most menacing force at the position in the FCS.


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