Weekly Position Discussion: Week 6, Linebackers

[IntuitiveGriz]

I watch the LBs quite a bit, because that is the position I played. I agree with much of what Brian and Brant said. I think Coyle had the better year last year out of the starters. I think JP had a bit of a down year (compared to his monster SO year) and Tripp was often trying to do too much. Saying that, they all were still very very good and were the strength of our defense.

It's difficult to compare Coyle and Tripp, they are both very different players who have much different responsibilities. The coaching staff put a lot more responsibility on Tripp than most Will backers are tasked with. Given that he just made the switch from Sam to Will last year, it shouldn't surprise that he wasn't perfect last year. Given he has an entire year under his belt playing Will and that he will be able to concern himself more with the duties of that position, I think he has a monster year for us. He's clearly the most gifted talent we've had at LB in a long long time... I think Coyle has pro talent, but he isn't as athletic at Tripp and he isn't as versatile.

:agree: I agree with everything you said, HighLineGriz. :twocents:

Don't get me wrong, I love our linebackers, they are outstanding athletes. And the often make terrific plays! Potentially pro players. But that doesn't mean they didn't disappointed at times last season. What player or position doesn't? They were over-agressive, for example they would ignore reading their keys and automatically would fill for run, when it was obvious it was a play-action pass...leaving their #1 responsibility on the play wide open for the catch time after time. (Kanongata'a especially) That was my number one pet peeve with the outside backers. Also, when the linebackers drop back they need to identify the offensive player that is coming into their zone quicker and get on them quicker (see what routes are developing). Plus they really need to work on their pass defense when they actually decide to cover somebody. They don't make many plays on the ball, either to intercept it or defelect it. They wait until the ball is caught and then decide they better tackle them. I'm looking for a big year from our stud linebackers, but let's hope they have worked on their pass defense just as much as our secondary.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I guess my question is why does Growler have to come on to E-Griz under an alternative screen name? As a "free speech" advocate, I don't hear Growler/Brian S. yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theater. I know his "Issues" are legendary but aren't we all a little " beyond the pale" as E-Griz posters? Remember, E-Griz is a "fan" site. From my vantage point, banning and censoring Growler is kinda' Un-American, don't ya think? I think E-Griz is a pretty big "tent" with many varying opinions. Growler should be allowed to voice his opinions like any other poster.

Sounds like you're bucking to be the defense lawyer for Tamerlan (Dzhokhar) Tsarnaev.

It is very American. Fanplay is a private company. It has the right to refuse service to anybody and censor any conduct it wants. The space provided on this site is not owned by us, it is owned by Fanplay and they have the right to determine what content is posted on the site and who is allowed to post it. The site has a clearly posted code of conduct. They don't need to but they have it and seems like they try to enforce that code fairly.

I didn't mean to get on a Soap Box. And I certainly don't think the Boston Bombings are a "free speech" issue. In this country,we allow people and groups to voice their opinions no matter how abhorrent the opinions may be. As far as E-Griz goes, as long as the Mods are even handed in their approach to policing material on this site, I guess I'm ok with it. Although, I have seen some posts/ electronic signatures etc. that push the envelope with regards to race but I don't see those examples getting a poster banned. It's just a thought to ponder.

 

[Grisly Fan]

I guess my question is why does Growler have to come on to E-Griz under an alternative screen name? As a "free speech" advocate, I don't hear Growler/Brian S. yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theater. I know his "Issues" are legendary but aren't we all a little " beyond the pale" as E-Griz posters? Remember, E-Griz is a "fan" site. From my vantage point, banning and censoring Growler is kinda' Un-American, don't ya think? I think E-Griz is a pretty big "tent" with many varying opinions. Growler should be allowed to voice his opinions like any other poster.

Sounds like you're bucking to be the defense lawyer for Tamerlan (Dzhokhar) Tsarnaev.

It is very American. Fanplay is a private company. It has the right to refuse service to anybody and censor any conduct it wants. The space provided on this site is not owned by us, it is owned by Fanplay and they have the right to determine what content is posted on the site and who is allowed to post it. The site has a clearly posted code of conduct. They don't need to but they have it and seems like they try to enforce that code fairly.

I didn't mean to get on a Soap Box. And I certainly don't think the Boston Bombings are a "free speech" issue. In this country,we allow people and groups to voice their opinions no matter how abhorrent the opinions may be. As far as E-Griz goes, as long as the Mods are even handed in their approach to policing material on this site, I guess I'm ok with it. Although, I have seen some posts/ electronic signatures etc. that push the envelope with regards to race but I don't see those examples getting a poster banned. It's just a thought to ponder.

Apparently You have not been here long. Steve Dill can be reasonable for actually a significant number of his posts then the meds wear off or something and he goes berserk. He has earned being banned many times over (and this coming from someone who would rather not see people banned).

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Sounds like you're bucking to be the defense lawyer for Tamerlan (Dzhokhar) Tsarnaev.

It is very American. Fanplay is a private company. It has the right to refuse service to anybody and censor any conduct it wants. The space provided on this site is not owned by us, it is owned by Fanplay and they have the right to determine what content is posted on the site and who is allowed to post it. The site has a clearly posted code of conduct. They don't need to but they have it and seems like they try to enforce that code fairly.

I didn't mean to get on a Soap Box. And I certainly don't think the Boston Bombings are a "free speech" issue. In this country,we allow people and groups to voice their opinions no matter how abhorrent the opinions may be. As far as E-Griz goes, as long as the Mods are even handed in their approach to policing material on this site, I guess I'm ok with it. Although, I have seen some posts/ electronic signatures etc. that push the envelope with regards to race but I don't see those examples getting a poster banned. It's just a thought to ponder.

Apparently You have not been here long. Steve Dill can be reasonable for actually a significant number of his posts then the meds wear off or something and he goes berserk. He has earned being banned many times over (and this coming from someone who would rather not see people banned).

Fair enough. I have been here long enough to see Growler's act so I know that he can be a pain. I would just prefer it if it was the "free market" of opinions on E-Griz that's allowed to control "loose cannon" posters instead of the Mods. Peer pressure can be a strong motivator IMO.

 

[EverettGriz]

Although, I have seen some posts/ electronic signatures etc. that push the envelope

In the control panel, you can change the settings so that the electronic signatures don't appear. It cleans up the look and readability of the board.

 

[JimmyJohns]

CV Griz Fan gets it, the other "popular posters" on this site do not. They are intimidated by Growler, who routinely exposes them as kool-aid drinking no-nothings. Brinty has never played football in his life. He is a prototypical athletic wannabee groupie, whose whole centers around jock-chasing and being "an insider".

Censorship by mods is a joke. These pin heads love the power of banning posters and throwing their weight around. I am sure that are spineless invertebrates around their wives, so they volunteer to be big fish in this VERY SMALL POND! Keep banning me, meatheads. The good posters on this board understand that my posts have more meat than 90% of the drivel spewed from the "popular posters". This board would be a hit in an Arab county where censorship is routine. Uh, this is America dudesses.

Finally, before I suffer YET ANOTHER banning for the 85th time by the Hitler Youth, I want to dispel the popular myth pueveyed about which LB position SHOULD garner the most tackles. These are the leading tacklers in the NFL in 2012. Please note which ones play OLB, and which ones play ILB. Then, sit back and watch the spin begin!

# of tackles Player Position

164 Luke Kuechly ILB
148 Chad Greenway OLB
148 NaVarro Bowman ILB
147 Jerod May OLB
145 Jerrell Freeman OLB
142 James Laurinatis ILB
140 Bobby Wagner Hybrid OLB/ILB
139 London Fletcher OLB

NEXT!

 

[grizcountry420]

......Look what the cat dragged in


Post of the year, fukc ya!

:lol:

 

[grizcountry420]

* on a side note

London Fletcher 139 tackles.. Does this guy ever slow down?

 

[EverettGriz]

......Look what the cat dragged in


Post of the year, fukc ya!

:lol:

:lol:

 

[Baller1]

CV Griz Fan gets it, the other "popular posters" on this site do not. They are intimidated by Growler, who routinely exposes them as kool-aid drinking no-nothings. Brinty has never played football in his life. He is a prototypical athletic wannabee groupie, whose whole centers around jock-chasing and being "an insider".

Censorship by mods is a joke. These pin heads love the power of banning posters and throwing their weight around. I am sure that are spineless invertebrates around their wives, so they volunteer to be big fish in this VERY SMALL POND! Keep banning me, meatheads. The good posters on this board understand that my posts have more meat than 90% of the drivel spewed from the "popular posters". This board would be a hit in an Arab county where censorship is routine. Uh, this is America dudesses.

Finally, before I suffer YET ANOTHER banning for the 85th time by the Hitler Youth, I want to dispel the popular myth pueveyed about which LB position SHOULD garner the most tackles. These are the leading tacklers in the NFL in 2012. Please note which ones play OLB, and which ones play ILB. Then, sit back and watch the spin begin!

# of tackles Player Position

164 Luke Kuechly ILB
148 Chad Greenway OLB
148 NaVarro Bowman ILB
147 Jerod May OLB
145 Jerrell Freeman OLB
142 James Laurinatis ILB
140 Bobby Wagner Hybrid OLB/ILB
139 London Fletcher OLB

NEXT!

HAHA!! Please let Growler come back. At least for the remainder off-season??? #FREEGROWLER

 

[poorgriz]

CV Griz Fan gets it, the other "popular posters" on this site do not. They are intimidated by Growler, who routinely exposes them as kool-aid drinking no-nothings. Brinty has never played football in his life. He is a prototypical athletic wannabee groupie, whose whole centers around jock-chasing and being "an insider".

Censorship by mods is a joke. These pin heads love the power of banning posters and throwing their weight around. I am sure that are spineless invertebrates around their wives, so they volunteer to be big fish in this VERY SMALL POND! Keep banning me, meatheads. The good posters on this board understand that my posts have more meat than 90% of the drivel spewed from the "popular posters". This board would be a hit in an Arab county where censorship is routine. Uh, this is America dudesses.

Finally, before I suffer YET ANOTHER banning for the 85th time by the Hitler Youth, I want to dispel the popular myth pueveyed about which LB position SHOULD garner the most tackles. These are the leading tacklers in the NFL in 2012. Please note which ones play OLB, and which ones play ILB. Then, sit back and watch the spin begin!

# of tackles Player Position

164 Luke Kuechly ILB
148 Chad Greenway OLB
148 NaVarro Bowman ILB
147 Jerod May OLB
145 Jerrell Freeman OLB
142 James Laurinatis ILB
140 Bobby Wagner Hybrid OLB/ILB
139 London Fletcher OLB

NEXT!

OK, that's just disgusting!!! :lol:

 

[WILD_CAT]

I watch the LBs quite a bit, because that is the position I played. I agree with much of what Brian and Brant said. I think Coyle had the better year last year out of the starters. I think JP had a bit of a down year (compared to his monster SO year) and Tripp was often trying to do too much. Saying that, they all were still very very good and were the strength of our defense.

It's difficult to compare Coyle and Tripp, they are both very different players who have much different responsibilities. The coaching staff put a lot more responsibility on Tripp than most Will backers are tasked with. Given that he just made the switch from Sam to Will last year, it shouldn't surprise that he wasn't perfect last year. Given he has an entire year under his belt playing Will and that he will be able to concern himself more with the duties of that position, I think he has a monster year for us. He's clearly the most gifted talent we've had at LB in a long long time... I think Coyle has pro talent, but he isn't as athletic at Tripp and he isn't as versatile.

:agree: I agree with everything you said, HighLineGriz. :twocents:

Don't get me wrong, I love our linebackers, they are outstanding athletes. And the often make terrific plays! Potentially pro players. But that doesn't mean they didn't disappointed at times last season. What player or position doesn't? They were over-agressive, for example they would ignore reading their keys and automatically would fill for run, when it was obvious it was a play-action pass...leaving their #1 responsibility on the play wide open for the catch time after time. (Kanongata'a especially) That was my number one pet peeve with the outside backers. Also, when the linebackers drop back they need to identify the offensive player that is coming into their zone quicker and get on them quicker (see what routes are developing). Plus they really need to work on their pass defense when they actually decide to cover somebody. They don't make many plays on the ball, either to intercept it or defelect it. They wait until the ball is caught and then decide they better tackle them. I'm looking for a big year from our stud linebackers, but let's hope they have worked on their pass defense just as much as our secondary.

That was my perception of the Griz LB core as well. They made a lot of great plays, but often had to sell out to do it. The other team see's that on film and BOOM .. play action and they get engulfed in the line and taken out of the play (NAU really used that to perfection).

 

[JimmyJohns]

CV Griz Fan gets it, the other "popular posters" on this site do not. They are intimidated by Growler, who routinely exposes them as kool-aid drinking no-nothings. Brinty has never played football in his life. He is a prototypical athletic wannabee groupie, whose whole centers around jock-chasing and being "an insider".

Censorship by mods is a joke. These pin heads love the power of banning posters and throwing their weight around. I am sure that are spineless invertebrates around their wives, so they volunteer to be big fish in this VERY SMALL POND! Keep banning me, meatheads. The good posters on this board understand that my posts have more meat than 90% of the drivel spewed from the "popular posters". This board would be a hit in an Arab county where censorship is routine. Uh, this is America dudesses.

Finally, before I suffer YET ANOTHER banning for the 85th time by the Hitler Youth, I want to dispel the popular myth pueveyed about which LB position SHOULD garner the most tackles. These are the leading tacklers in the NFL in 2012. Please note which ones play OLB, and which ones play ILB. Then, sit back and watch the spin begin!

# of tackles Player Position

164 Luke Kuechly ILB
148 Chad Greenway OLB
148 NaVarro Bowman ILB
147 Jerod May OLB
145 Jerrell Freeman OLB
142 James Laurinatis ILB
140 Bobby Wagner Hybrid OLB/ILB
139 London Fletcher OLB

NEXT!

HAHA!! Please let Growler come back. At least for the remainder off-season??? #FREEGROWLER

The mods are afraid to let the members decide if I should be allowed to post, because they know that 90% of the members believe that this is a message board, and by it's very nature, should be open to ALL posters. They have an "IGNORE BUTTON" for the lilly-livered spineless, but NO, that is not enough. Like I said earlier, they get their rocks off throwing their weight around and being a big shot mod! Pathetic and sad in this democracy we live in.

They should re-instate my ORIGINAL screen name.... Wolfman..... so I would not have to keep creating new ones to exercise my First Amendment rights. The Wolfman always gives sugar-free candid observations about Grizzly athletics, much to the chagrin of the Kool-Aid drinkers. Very few of us on this site. Ask Alphie!

 

[zengriz]

...take the pissing and moaning somewhere else...
...this iz a nice thread about linebackerz...
...perhaps egrizolotics would be good...

... ...

 

[Grisly Fan]

They should re-instate my ORIGINAL screen name.... Wolfman..... so I would not have to keep creating new ones to exercise my First Amendment rights. The Wolfman always gives sugar-free candid observations about Grizzly athletics, much to the chagrin of the Kool-Aid drinkers. Very few of us on this site. Ask Alphie!

If you could stay on topic and avoid ridiculous personal insults I have a hard time believing that you would be banned. People very successfully make very contrary arguments here and don't get banned. You, on the other hand, go out of your way to personally insult, threaten, physically challenge, and otherwise irritate just about everyone. You want others to respect your opinions yet you have no respect for anyone who doesn't agree with you. Man you have to give to get. I would think a capitalist such as yourself would understand that...

 

[CrunchGriz]

I think someone here needs a refresher course on the First Amendment.

The 1st amendment specifically prohibits the government from making laws that restrict fee speech. It says nothing about anyone else regulating it.

In the case of a message board, if you agreed to their Terms of Service when you signed up, then you are bound by those terms, which probably allow them to ban you if you break the rules.

If you think that you didn't violate the TOS, and were still banned, then you could sue for breach of contract if you really wanted to (although chances are the TOS lets them ban anyone for any reason if they want).

I haven't read the TOS here, so I'm not sure what reasons they're using for banning people, but private owners of private boards can make whatever terms they want.

There is no government intrusion into anyone's rights, so the 1st Amendment doesn't even come into play.

Way to wave the flag, though.

 

[OptimusPrime]

I think someone here needs a refresher course on the First Amendment.

The 1st amendment specifically prohibits the government from making laws that restrict fee speech. It says nothing about anyone else regulating it.

In the case of a message board, if you agreed to their Terms of Service when you signed up, then you are bound by those terms, which probably allow them to ban you if you break the rules.

If you think that you didn't violate the TOS, and were still banned, then you could sue for breach of contract if you really wanted to (although chances are the TOS lets them ban anyone for any reason if they want).

I haven't read the TOS here, so I'm not sure what reasons they're using for banning people, but private owners of private boards can make whatever terms they want.

There is no government intrusion into anyone's rights, so the 1st Amendment doesn't even come into play.

Way to wave the flag, though.

How hard is this to understand? :?

 

[JimmyJohns]

I think someone here needs a refresher course on the First Amendment.

The 1st amendment specifically prohibits the government from making laws that restrict fee speech. It says nothing about anyone else regulating it.

In the case of a message board, if you agreed to their Terms of Service when you signed up, then you are bound by those terms, which probably allow them to ban you if you break the rules.

If you think that you didn't violate the TOS, and were still banned, then you could sue for breach of contract if you really wanted to (although chances are the TOS lets them ban anyone for any reason if they want).

I haven't read the TOS here, so I'm not sure what reasons they're using for banning people, but private owners of private boards can make whatever terms they want.

There is no government intrusion into anyone's rights, so the 1st Amendment doesn't even come into play.

Way to wave the flag, though.

Way to hide behind a B.S. argument about the right of free speech in this country. I do not "threaten" anybody on this board, except with superior intelligence. You and your buddies who want me banned should man-up and stop whining. Use your ignore button, if you feel a flaccid backbone coming on.

Oh, I am still waiting for the resident geniuses to rebuke my point about NFL LB tacking leaders.

 

[BWahlberg]

The funny thing about Growler/SGF/JimmyJ/Wolfman/etc/etc/etc is not that he vehemently disagrees with people and posts agressively about it. Other posters on here do that as well on here. There's extreme opinions.

What you don't see other posters doing is threatening physical harm or even threatening to shoot someone - which former alias's of Growler's have done.

What other posters haven't done on here is posting that certain (former) Missoulian reporters are too ugly to get raped even if they begged for it, which Growler has done.

Other posters don't put words into players mouths or players families mouths that are divisive and cause troubles. Heck G1 even did it in this thread. He spoke on behalf of players from conversations he allegedly had with parents (Hammer can recount his false statement from Alex Hawthorne's dad - or there's his claim that Joe Montana practically guaranteed his other son was coming to the Griz).

G1 is a cancer on this board because of that, IMO. If he could stop making threats, making horrid statements that make the whole board look creepy, and stop posting the type of false statements he's made on behalf of players and their family, then he'd never have an issue being banned over here. He'd just be an asshole poster, and we've got plenty of those here and most have never been banned.

 

[indian-outlaw]

Brint I agree with you to a certain extent. Your situation is different because you are not anonymous on here like most everyone else so when growler makes threats and insults it is actually personal. Wolfman/growler may not be much of a reader of the constitution but the egriz characters are what keep us coming back especially in the offseason. This place would dry up and blow away without the drama created by these priceless hambones. You gotta hand it to growler he remains a pompous prick in spite of a video posted of him picking his ass in front of a stadium full of people. A lesser man would put his tail between his legs and disappear.. Think back about the entertaining shit storms dubfonzy created, I really miss him as well. And who can forget about everettgriz throwing down the gauntlet (in his headband and tennis geddyup) and bravely challenging alphagriz to a decatholon As griz fans we need to embrace these bit players for the passion they bring to the board. I’ve been a griz fan for many years, way before most on here and believe me passion is good.