Weber St. left out of NIT

[EverettGriz]

Montana's "powers that be" are going to make move-up decisions based on what they think is best for football.

Patently untrue.

I know from personal conversations with top UM adminstrators that a primary consideration in any proposed move to an FBS conference is the positive impacts -- both competetive and financial -- it will have on sports other than FB, and in particular men's and women's BB.

 

[Paytonlives]

When will the powers that be (UM leadership) see that the BSC is terrible for UM basketball. The Mountain West, Big West and even the WAC usually get 2-4 teams in the dance. The BSC has 2 of the best teams its had in 10 years and gets snubbed by the NCAA and NIT
The "powers that be" don't give a crap about basketball when it comes to conference affiliation. Football drives all of these decisions. That's why San Diego State's basketball program is going to WCC and Boise State's back to the WAC next year.

Montana's "powers that be" are going to make move-up decisions based on what they think is best for football. If they got an invite to the Mountain West, would they go? Sure, but that invite hasn't been forthcoming yet. And your administration is smart enough to know the WAC is a dying league when it comes to football, so they have chosen to sit tight until something better comes along.

UM and its fans seem to always be worried about the money of moving up and football. I say UM should look at changing conferences for all sports... But if football stays in the BSC, thats fine, at least revenues and rivalries will be much inproved in the basketball schedule. Also, UM would be able to see how much money basketball could earn if they were in a "real" conference.

What leaving Weber out has shown is that the BSC is a one team conference for basketball. I am sure the Weber fans are feeling just like most UM fans felt last year SCREWED!!

 

[bengal]

Montana's "powers that be" are going to make move-up decisions based on what they think is best for football.

Patently untrue.

I know from personal conversations with top UM adminstrators that a primary consideration in any proposed move to an FBS conference is the positive impacts -- both competetive and financial -- it will have on sports other than FB, and in particular men's and women's BB.

Wanna bet what the TOP consideration is for conference affiliation? It ain't basketball.

 

[Paytonlives]

Montana's "powers that be" are going to make move-up decisions based on what they think is best for football.

Patently untrue.

I know from personal conversations with top UM adminstrators that a primary consideration in any proposed move to an FBS conference is the positive impacts -- both competetive and financial -- it will have on sports other than FB, and in particular men's and women's BB.

Wanna bet what the TOP consideration is for conference affiliation? It ain't basketball.

You dont know politics and professors...

 

[EverettGriz]

Montana's "powers that be" are going to make move-up decisions based on what they think is best for football.

Patently untrue.

I know from personal conversations with top UM adminstrators that a primary consideration in any proposed move to an FBS conference is the positive impacts -- both competetive and financial -- it will have on sports other than FB, and in particular men's and women's BB.

Wanna bet what the TOP consideration is for conference affiliation? It ain't basketball.

Actually, it may well surprise you. Football of course will be a major consideration. But it's far from the only one, and when taken as a whole for the department, probably not even the largest one. The money to support a move is going to come from BB, not from football.

 

[Tokyogriz]

Montana may be in a fairly unique position right now for most of our peers having most money coming from football versus basketball. I do agree that if we moved up a division that could change though. Ad revenue from games is something Montana has never even really benefited from but thats the real game in the next division. Seems this eludes many anti move uppers on this board.

 

[Spanky]

Folks, there is another major reason we may never change our conference affiliation. It's called Montana State. Many of you are enamored with the Bobcats, but they are holding us back from improving our position. We are ready or close to being ready to make a change, but Montana State may never be able to change, thus the regents won't allow UM to move without MSU joining the party. We have been the pride of the Big Sky Conference for many years propping up the entire conference, including MSU and everything indicates that will continue.

 

[EverettGriz]

the regents won't allow UM to move without MSU joining the party

I don't believe this to be the case. The BoR would love to keep the two together -- as would the Presidents of both Universities -- but there has been no mandate suggesting the two must be in the same conference. MSU was urged to prepare for a move if possible; hence their recent facility upgrades.

 

[Spanky]

Everett....I hope that you are correct about the regents.

 

[Hammer]

Everett....I hope that you are correct about the regents.

He is spanky. It's a popular rumor but far from the truth. Contrary to popular belief, we are not joined at the hip with Moo U

 

[wbtfg]

Everett....I hope that you are correct about the regents.

He is spanky. It's a popular rumor but far from the truth. Contrary to popular belief, we are not joined at the hip with Moo U

Yeah....im not sure where that urban legend started, but a lot of people are convinced its montana law.

 

[OptimusPrime]

When will the powers that be (UM leadership) see that the BSC is terrible for UM basketball. The Mountain West, Big West and even the WAC usually get 2-4 teams in the dance. The BSC has 2 of the best teams its had in 10 years and gets snubbed by the NCAA and NIT.

The "powers that be" don't give a crap about basketball when it comes to conference affiliation. Football drives all of these decisions. That's why San Diego State's basketball program is going to WCC and Boise State's back to the WAC next year.

Montana's "powers that be" are going to make move-up decisions based on what they think is best for football. If they got an invite to the Mountain West, would they go? Sure, but that invite hasn't been forthcoming yet. And your administration is smart enough to know the WAC is a dying league when it comes to football, so they have chosen to sit tight until something better comes along.

No, they are not.

 

[George Ferguson]

Payton, I don't disagree with this statement: The Big Sky is a red headed step child to the rest of basketball and college football fans. They would say "If you are not in "the big leagues"... you are crap." BUT....what does that have to do with Weber State not getting in the NIT or even your move-up for football argument? FANS of other schools have nothing to do with Weber not getting in the NIT, or a Big Sky team getting a low seed in the NCAA tourney and so on...I cannot for the life of me understand why so many Griz fans give a shit about what other people (and by people, I mean FANS in the SEC or ACC or even the Pac 12) think about Griz football and basketball. It just seems weird and insecure. NOW, if you were to have said the NCAA, and the NIT selection committee think the BIg Sky is the red headed step child of college basketball and football, that's a different story. But who gives a dump what FANS THINK!

 

[getgrizzy]

the bor is a very small player in the process until the very end. if moving up gets to the bor it will approve it. there is so much to do before it gets there that its very unlikely. the bor isn't going to lobby the legislature for more money just so we can move up. that would be a waste of time.

 

[Zootown Rox]

Conference RPI is what sinks Weber or any team that doesn't win the conference tournament and also what makes a 13 seed a banner year for the Big Sky. And that will get worse next season with SUU and North Dakota. For basketball moving to any other league in the West would be a big help - and the MWC would be fantastic for geographic and competitive reasons.

So from a purely basketball point of view moving conferences would be great.

 

[becker2117]

Conference RPI is what sinks Weber or any team that doesn't win the conference tournament and also what makes a 13 seed a banner year for the Big Sky. And that will get worse next season with SUU and North Dakota. For basketball moving to any other league in the West would be a big help - and the MWC would be fantastic for geographic and competitive reasons.

So from a purely basketball point of view moving conferences would be great.

if that happened that would be a dream come true

 

[Paytonlives]

Payton, I don't disagree with this statement: The Big Sky is a red headed step child to the rest of basketball and college football fans. They would say "If you are not in "the big leagues"... you are crap." BUT....what does that have to do with Weber State not getting in the NIT or even your move-up for football argument? FANS of other schools have nothing to do with Weber not getting in the NIT, or a Big Sky team getting a low seed in the NCAA tourney and so on...I cannot for the life of me understand why so many Griz fans give a shit about what other people (and by people, I mean FANS in the SEC or ACC or even the Pac 12) think about Griz football and basketball. It just seems weird and insecure. NOW, if you were to have said the NCAA, and the NIT selection committee think the BIg Sky is the red headed step child of college basketball and football, that's a different story. But who gives a dump what FANS THINK!

When I was posting about fans, it was just to point out that how the BSC is procieved by fans and tourney committies (people in general) does make a huge difference. I DONT CARE what people think, but it does effect how the BSC is looked at. And that poor image leads to things like Weber not getting in the NIT.

 

[George Ferguson]

Payton you do a great service to this board, but the notion that because a Kentucky Wildcat fan thinks the Big Sky sucks and that has an effect on what athletic directors on the tournament selection committees think is absurd to put it mildly. First, I think Montana fans are so egocentric, they gravely overestimate how many OTHER fanbases even think of the Griz or the Big Sky at all. But again, to say that because the Wisconsin fan base thinks the Big Sky sucks and that in turn has some effect on how the NCAA treats the conference come the postseason is insanely rediculous. You're reaching and trying way too hard on this whole move up thing.

 

[Spanky]

He isn't reaching at all....he is right on the money. What the Kentucky person thinks about the Big Sky Conference is a reflection of the image of the conference on a national basis.

 

[EverettGriz]

He isn't reaching at all....he is right on the money. What the Kentucky person thinks about the Big Sky Conference is a reflection of the image of the conference on a national basis.

Hell, just read some of the idiotic posts from a few of the no-nothing badger fans on the other threads here if you want any proof that this is true. Essentially what they are saying is because we play in the Big Sky, there is NO WAY IN HELL we're as good/talented/have athletes/size/speed/quickness/or the ability to spell "basketball" the way it's done in the Big 10. Mind you, these people have never even seen Montana play, but they KNOW that we can't have any athletes/players because we play in the BSC.

That's a problem.