Walter Wright, Co Player of the Week

[Mousegriz]

WW and KDS are both pretty good PG's that we have/had the opportunity to cheer for as Griz BB fans. Wright's playing well enough that he was the most recent the BSC player of the week. I'm happy he's a Griz.

PR seems a very diehard and supportive fan of the Griz . A couple ways his posting style hasn't changed is that he still seems pretty arrogant and takes issue with way more posts (and posters) than anyone else.

 

[UMGriz75]

PR seems a very diehard and supportive fan of the Griz . A couple ways his posting style hasn't changed is that he still seems pretty arrogant and takes issue with way more posts (and posters) than anyone else.

Can you people keep this crap on the football side? One reason I enjoy the BB forum is that it discusses Grizzly Basketball without the psychotic bat-shit crazy overlay.

 

[GrizWhiz]

I followed Walter's recruiting very closely prior to his signing. We are very fortunate to have him and his success thus far has been outstanding. :clap: With Rorie and Pridgett coming on board next season, the Griz are going to be absolutely loaded at the guard/wing positions.

 

[Mousegriz]

PR seems a very diehard and supportive fan of the Griz . A couple ways his posting style hasn't changed is that he still seems pretty arrogant and takes issue with way more posts (and posters) than anyone else.

Can you people keep this crap on the football side? One reason I enjoy the BB forum is that it discusses Grizzly Basketball without the psychotic bat-shit crazy overlay.

Agreed. I really enjoyed Deshields and got to know him a little. I really like Wright on the court and have never met him. Guess that's why I jumped into the conversation here. No need to place one above the other, better than the other, etc. Wright is impressive after just a couple months as a Griz and has played instead of Dunn due to injury. Deshields played with and around the best PG we ever had here in my opinion.

 

[PlayerRep]

WW and KDS are both pretty good PG's that we have/had the opportunity to cheer for as Griz BB fans. Wright's playing well enough that he was the most recent the BSC player of the week. I'm happy he's a Griz.

PR seems a very diehard and supportive fan of the Griz . A couple ways his posting style hasn't changed is that he still seems pretty arrogant and takes issue with way more posts (and posters) than anyone else.

That's because I'm not an "everyone gets a ribbon" guy. If I don't agree with a post, or a poster jumps at me, then I may respond. Not accusing you of this, but some posters seem to think their posts, views and opinions are sacred, and not one is allowed to disagree with them. I don't care if you or anyone find my posts arrogant. I am confident in my views, and often have good access to information. I post directly. My time of babying other posters, particularly posters who have jumped me or are posters I don't really respect, and trying not offend them or hurt their feelings, left about a decade ago. As for the KDS stuff, GotGame started the WW comparison, not me. I just responded. Then you had to make a little crack, so I responded. Then GrizW jumped in with a comment, which I responded to. None of those 3 things were instigated by me. I just responded. And one more thing. I guarantee that telling me how to post is not going to impact me in a positive way, ever.

Okay, 75, I will try to stop now.

 

[gotgame75]

WW and KDS are both pretty good PG's that we have/had the opportunity to cheer for as Griz BB fans. Wright's playing well enough that he was the most recent the BSC player of the week. I'm happy he's a Griz.

PR seems a very diehard and supportive fan of the Griz . A couple ways his posting style hasn't changed is that he still seems pretty arrogant and takes issue with way more posts (and posters) than anyone else.

That's because I'm not an "everyone gets a ribbon" guy. If I don't agree with a post, or a poster jumps at me, then I may respond. Not accusing you of this, but some posters seem to think their posts, views and opinions are sacred, and not one is allowed to disagree with them. I don't care if you or anyone find my posts arrogant. I am confident in my views, and often have good access to information. I post directly. My time of babying other posters, particularly posters who have jumped me or are posters I don't really respect, and trying not offend them or hurt their feelings, left about a decade ago. As for the KDS stuff, GotGame started the WW comparison, not me. I just responded. Then you had to make a little crack, so I responded. Then GrizW jumped in with a comment, which I responded to. None of those 3 things were instigated by me. I just responded. And one more thing. I guarantee that telling me how to post is not going to impact me in a positive way, ever.

Okay, 75, I will try to stop now.

Lol actually that's not at all how it went down. You responded to a comment in a previous thread (not by me) by saying that "KDS is miles ahead of Wright". I responded on why I thought that was a laughable case of hyperbole and every game since that time has basically bore that fact out. Granted WW is going to need to show that consistency over the course of an entire season, but it's impossible to not like where he's at less than 20 games into his D1 career in comparison to KDS that has had 5 seasons in D1 programs to develop his game. Keron is a player, of that there is no doubt, but my beef with him is that he was consistently a distraction basically his entire career here.

 

[UMGriz75]

Can you people keep this crap on the football side? One reason I enjoy the BB forum is that it discusses Grizzly Basketball without the psychotic bat-shit crazy overlay.

Agreed. I really enjoyed Deshields and got to know him a little. I really like Wright on the court and have never met him. Guess that's why I jumped into the conversation here.

It wasn't the comparison with Keron DeShields, it was the psychoanalysis of changing commentary styles of various posters that sent me over the edge.

Keron was a great kid. I was asked to work on some drills with him for a couple of weeks and really got to appreciate his athleticsm and personality.

 

[PlayerRep]

WW and KDS are both pretty good PG's that we have/had the opportunity to cheer for as Griz BB fans. Wright's playing well enough that he was the most recent the BSC player of the week. I'm happy he's a Griz.

PR seems a very diehard and supportive fan of the Griz . A couple ways his posting style hasn't changed is that he still seems pretty arrogant and takes issue with way more posts (and posters) than anyone else.

That's because I'm not an "everyone gets a ribbon" guy. If I don't agree with a post, or a poster jumps at me, then I may respond. Not accusing you of this, but some posters seem to think their posts, views and opinions are sacred, and not one is allowed to disagree with them. I don't care if you or anyone find my posts arrogant. I am confident in my views, and often have good access to information. I post directly. My time of babying other posters, particularly posters who have jumped me or are posters I don't really respect, and trying not offend them or hurt their feelings, left about a decade ago. As for the KDS stuff, GotGame started the WW comparison, not me. I just responded. Then you had to make a little crack, so I responded. Then GrizW jumped in with a comment, which I responded to. None of those 3 things were instigated by me. I just responded. And one more thing. I guarantee that telling me how to post is not going to impact me in a positive way, ever.

Okay, 75, I will try to stop now.

Lol actually that's not at all how it went down. You responded to a comment in a previous thread (not by me) by saying that "KDS is miles ahead of Wright". I responded on why I thought that was a laughable case of hyperbole and every game since that time has basically bore that fact out. Granted WW is going to need to show that consistency over the course of an entire season, but it's impossible to not like where he's at less than 20 games into his D1 career in comparison to KDS that has had 5 seasons in D1 programs to develop his game. Keron is a player, of that there is no doubt, but my beef with him is that he was consistently a distraction basically his entire career here.

Nope, Game. That's not how it happened. Zirg made a comment in my KDS thread. I responded. You then jumped in. Then, days later, with no prompting by anyone, you made another post in the KDS thread about WW's good numbers at NAU. At the time of my initial post, and based on stats from this year, and when KDS was at UM, KDS was miles ahead. KDS was averaging considerably more than WW, and shooting a much higher percentage. WW was shooting under 20% from 3 at that time. WW has stepped up his game since then. I hope he continues to play well. If he scores 20 and averages 10 assists the rest of the season, I will agree with you. However, several good games, while good and promising, doesn't cut it for me. It has to be sustained.

I liked how you pooh poohed Tenn. St's competition, and then it turned out they had just played Tenn. That was pretty funny.

 

[grizzlyjournal]

This is a rather schizoid thread. Too bad WW got caught up in it.

But then I rarely visit the football side of things, mainly because it's sort of like the bar fights you used to watch in the old John Wayne/Jimmy Stewart/ etc. etc. cowboy flicks.

By my observation, most of the hoops threads take constructive multi-layered courses... but end up with some pretty enlightening stuff. Always enjoy the comments of PlayerRep, mtgrizrule, UMGriz75, GrizWhiz, EverettGriz, citay, Potomac Griz, PeauRouge and several others.

I do think it's good, because I see a steady emergence of a Montana hoops program on the verge of something special and it's a lot of fun to participate in it with the (mostly) astute contributors herein.

 

[gotgame75]

WW and KDS are both pretty good PG's that we have/had the opportunity to cheer for as Griz BB fans. Wright's playing well enough that he was the most recent the BSC player of the week. I'm happy he's a Griz.

PR seems a very diehard and supportive fan of the Griz . A couple ways his posting style hasn't changed is that he still seems pretty arrogant and takes issue with way more posts (and posters) than anyone else.

That's because I'm not an "everyone gets a ribbon" guy. If I don't agree with a post, or a poster jumps at me, then I may respond. Not accusing you of this, but some posters seem to think their posts, views and opinions are sacred, and not one is allowed to disagree with them. I don't care if you or anyone find my posts arrogant. I am confident in my views, and often have good access to information. I post directly. My time of babying other posters, particularly posters who have jumped me or are posters I don't really respect, and trying not offend them or hurt their feelings, left about a decade ago. As for the KDS stuff, GotGame started the WW comparison, not me. I just responded. Then you had to make a little crack, so I responded. Then GrizW jumped in with a comment, which I responded to. None of those 3 things were instigated by me. I just responded. And one more thing. I guarantee that telling me how to post is not going to impact me in a positive way, ever.

Okay, 75, I will try to stop now.

Lol actually that's not at all how it went down. You responded to a comment in a previous thread (not by me) by saying that "KDS is miles ahead of Wright". I responded on why I thought that was a laughable case of hyperbole and every game since that time has basically bore that fact out. Granted WW is going to need to show that consistency over the course of an entire season, but it's impossible to not like where he's at less than 20 games into his D1 career in comparison to KDS that has had 5 seasons in D1 programs to develop his game. Keron is a player, of that there is no doubt, but my beef with him is that he was consistently a distraction basically his entire career here.

Nope, Game. That's not how it happened. Zirg made a comment in my KDS thread. I responded. You then jumped in. Then, days later, with no prompting by anyone, you made another post in the KDS thread about WW's good numbers at NAU. At the time of my initial post, and based on stats from this year, and when KDS was at UM, KDS was miles ahead. KDS was averaging considerably more than WW, and shooting a much higher percentage. WW was shooting under 20% from 3 at that time. WW has stepped up his game since then. I hope he continues to play well. If he scores 20 and averages 10 assists the rest of the season, I will agree with you. However, several good games, while good and promising, doesn't cut it for me. It has to be sustained.

I liked how you pooh poohed Tenn. St's competition, and then it turned out they had just played Tenn. That was pretty funny.

This is my last response response to this topic because not only do I feel that that the tangent this whole convo has gone on is a disservice to the intent of the original topic, which is to celebrate WW's insane play, but also because debating with you is akin to Chinese water torture...

Again, my point of contention is your assertion that somehow KDS "is miles ahead" of WW. Once again, KDS has been playing D1 basketball for 5 years now whereas WW's career is less than 20 games old. Any hyperbolic statement in regards to comparison between the two at this point is akin to verbal premature ejaculation. Factoring in the small fact that KDS has played something like 100+ more D1 games than Wright, to make the judgement that he is that far superior to WW is seriously ludicrous. Never mind the fact that Wright's play since that statement has belied your contention.

As others have noted, your whole tone recently has changed. Sour grapes are not a good look on you. Bobby didn't get the HC job and KDS isn't our PG (Which is entirely on him for acting like a petulant child. Not many get the repeated chances Keron did. Keron's problem here was never his play.), time to get over it.

 

[UMGriz75]

I do think it's good, because I see a steady emergence of a Montana hoops program on the verge of something special and it's a lot of fun to participate in it with the (mostly) astute contributors herein.

I agree. I first got involved when Jud Heathcote was here, and got to spend at least a couple hours a week with him, one on one, putting together the manual "How to Build a Sport Program from Scratch." [Figuratively]. In his office, sitting with him at practices, in the locker room pre-game and post-game. UM Basketball had completely come apart under Lou Rocheleau, a charismatic, dynamic coach who just did not make the transition to College Basketball. Lou created more fine young men out of Sentinel High sports than probably anyone other than Jug Beck. When you see the definition of "coach," their pictures should be there.

It just didn't work out at the collegiate level and everyone felt really badly about that. A great coach, a great Dad, and a great guy. But something didn't click. Regardless of the UM outcome, not enough good things can be said about Lou Rocheleau.

Everything was a mess, and Jud really took the bull by the horns, and he took the time to teach me about coaching basketball, recruiting, performance art, human relations, student involvement, public relations. His recruiting lessons are some of my fondest memories. "You have to recruit their Moms. Then you can usually get the kid. I didn't always get the kid, but I never lost a Mom."

Things kind of sunk back down under Don Holst and Pat Kennedy. Don, a very good technical coach, just didn't have the personality for it, and Kennedy ... oh my gosh. He just sucked the air out of the room. I swear, if I saw him coming down the hall, I had a hard time breathing. By and large, some ups and some downs after Jud. The "ups" were never quite as "up," and the "downs" could get pretty far down there.

Mike was a great coach. Sad to see him go to Stanford. But he really created a "generation" of great coaches. Quite a legacy on his own.

At the beginning of Wayne's tour of duty, everyone was kind of "down," [Cats got Huse, "the good one"] but I was very pleased to see how Wayne reinvigorated the program. The sheer force of positive personality adds a lot to technical knowledge. He knows how to work with people and players. When Gavin DeJong (if I am remembering correctly) broke his leg his senior year high school, in a football game, and it looked as if his college hopes might be over, Wayne gave him a call the next day to boost his spirits. I kind of mist up when I think how thoughtful that was. Wayne was that kind of guy. Mick Delaney was that kind of guy. Makes you proud to be "UM."

As down as he could be at that point, that kid will never forget that phone call as long as he lives. Wayne was a bridge builder -- players, recruits, coaches, donors, fans. Where ever he is at, the program will go places, and whoever he coaches, like Jud, they will never forget him.

Travis strikes me very much as picking up where Wayne left off. He "gets it." I do see something special coming our way.

 

[UMGriz75]

As others have noted, your whole tone recently has changed. Sour grapes are not a good look on you. Bobby didn't get the HC job and KDS isn't our PG (Which is entirely on him for acting like a petulant child. Not many get the repeated chances Keron did. Keron's problem here was never his play.), time to get over it.

You have not seen sour grapes until you receive my opinion on why someone is complaining that someone else's "tone" has changed, and complains that he is offended because the "tone change" does not agree with his "Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm" approach to "sports" at UM. Does this offend the "style guide?" Why is anyone complaining on an ostensible forum about UM basketball about another poster not meeting his personal expectations about the "tone of the posts." WTF? You want "tone" ...?