Okay, Griz-O-Matic -- if Pflu wasn't fired, then what would you call it? And why is he no longer UM's head football coach?Griz-O-Matic said:kurtismichael said:It has been 12 pages of posts now so my memory is foggy, but didn't this thread start off being about Poole?
Safe to say looks like a stalemate on the whole "he was fired" vs "he was not fired" debate. But don't mind me go on debating the same topic into eternity.
...WRONG.....if you are fired, you don't need an office at your place of employment....
-
Hi Guest, want to participate in the discussions, keep track of read/unread posts access private forums and more? Create your free account and increase the benefits of your eGriz.com experience today!
W-T-F Now Poole is in jail
- Thread starter Flathead Griz
- Start date
- Status
Griz-O-Matic
Well-known member
'68griz said:Okay, Griz-O-Matic -- if Pflu wasn't fired, then what would you call it? And why is he no longer UM's head football coach?Griz-O-Matic said:kurtismichael said:It has been 12 pages of posts now so my memory is foggy, but didn't this thread start off being about Poole?
Safe to say looks like a stalemate on the whole "he was fired" vs "he was not fired" debate. But don't mind me go on debating the same topic into eternity.
...WRONG.....if you are fired, you don't need an office at your place of employment....
I would say he entered an agreement not to be Head Coach. Nothing I've read on the subject so far has convinced me of any other scenario.
Griz-O-Matic
Well-known member
Almost sounds like he resigned... http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/06/11/montana-pflugrad-reach-contract-settlement/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
GrizPony
Well-known member
Griz-O-Matic said:'68griz said:Okay, Griz-O-Matic -- if Pflu wasn't fired, then what would you call it? And why is he no longer UM's head football coach?Griz-O-Matic said:kurtismichael said:It has been 12 pages of posts now so my memory is foggy, but didn't this thread start off being about Poole?
Safe to say looks like a stalemate on the whole "he was fired" vs "he was not fired" debate. But don't mind me go on debating the same topic into eternity.
...WRONG.....if you are fired, you don't need an office at your place of employment....
I would say he entered an agreement not to be Head Coach. Nothing I've read on the subject so far has convinced me of any other scenario.
Jesus buddy give it up. You are wrong. He didn't agree to not be Head Coach and no one changed his job description. Please stop being stupid.
Griz-O-Matic
Well-known member
GrizPony said:Griz-O-Matic said:'68griz said:Okay, Griz-O-Matic -- if Pflu wasn't fired, then what would you call it? And why is he no longer UM's head football coach?Griz-O-Matic said:...WRONG.....if you are fired, you don't need an office at your place of employment....
I would say he entered an agreement not to be Head Coach. Nothing I've read on the subject so far has convinced me of any other scenario.
Jesus buddy give it up. You are wrong. He didn't agree to not be Head Coach and no one changed his job description. Please stop being stupid.
Proof?
PlayerRep said:br fan said:PlayerRep said:Griz-O-Matic said:Yeah, just a couple Hammer.
First, who wrote those articles, was it Florio?
Second, I have a hard time believing he was fired when he (as PR states), entered into an agreement that included an office? How do you get fired and get your salary and office, but yet still get fired? It's a bit confusing.....
He didn't remain in his office. He eventually was given an office in the library.
He hired a lawyer to represent him and eventually entered into a settlement arrangement with the university.
I would ask you: how does a football coach get removed as the team's coach and kicked out of his office and taken off the university's email system, and not have been fired as the football coach?
PR-the same Missoulian article you cite stating he was "fired" also states he's "still on the payroll." Pflugrad has an office in the library for the simple reason that he is still currently employed by UM. You'll find him listed and how to contact him in UM's directory, and he will continue to be an employee of UM until his contract runs out at the end of the year.
He was fired/terminated from his job. That's why he's no longer the coach. This is indisputable. This is why all the media refers to the firings. The university terminated him under a provision requiring it to pay out his salary and benefits. They did not terminate him "for cause". In the later settlement, the university also agreed to pay a variety of benefits/bonuses that weren't quantified in the contract. In employment settlements, it's not unusual to continue to pay the salary and continue insurance benefits for a specific period of time. I believe O'Day is still being paid his salary and benefits too, but he also was fired and isn't the AD, obviously. In fact, he has another job. One of the reasons Pflu settled his wrongful termination and breach of contract claim (recall that he hired a law firm) was to be able to take another job. He didn't want to be caught up in limbo for years, like Mike Kramer was. When people, including coaches, get terminated, it's not unusual to pay what is owed under the contract, or "buy out" the contract. The payments under these settlements and buy outs can be done by paying the former employee over time, or they can be done with a lump sum payment, or some combination.
Its extremely common to buy-out someone's contract, but that's not what they did in Pflu's situation. They "did not renew his contract." If you care to look you'll probably find that phrase used in at least 50 press releases. You're a lawyer, why would they say they did not renew his contract if what they did was bought him out? Actually I can tell you why they did what they did, and I've mentioned this before. In his settlement he's receiving PERS benefits through the end of the year, and under the plan he cannot receive those benefits unless he's "employed" through the end of the year. The fact that you might have structured his settlement differently if you would have represented him is irrelevant.
No, he's not the coach and he has been stripped of all his duties. Yes, he may work for other employers, and if you care to do some research, permitting outside employment through the end of the term is extremely common in an early "termination" of a Montana governmental employee. It may be in name only, but he is technically still an "employee" of UM and will be through the end of the year.
br fan said:
No, they did not buy out his contract. In fact, not renewing his contract is used only once in any press release (and it wasn't true)--not 50. He was fired under a provision that required the payment of the rest of his contract. If his contract wasn't renewed, he would still be the coach until the end of the season. If you look at the internet, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of articles saying he was fired.
I never said they bought him out. They settled his wrongful termination and breach of contract claim, for the specified payments.
Technically being an employee, so that he can get his benefits paid, is irrelevant--because he was fired/terminated from being the coach of UM football.
Stop being an idiot and so stupid. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
Griz-O-Matic
Well-known member
PlayerRep said:
That almost sounds illegal......
George Ferguson
Well-known member
off..in the postgame, mick even used the line "we had to get rid of one guy"...for all the stuff that has happened to montana, i actually liked the sound of that phrase. trevor will be fine and land on his feet though.
I don't feel bad for him. He is a grown ass man. You make decisions like this, especially with everything going on surrounding the program already, then you get what is coming your way. I do wish him well and hope he lands on his feet also. I don't think what he did is as terrible as some people feel about it, but there are consequences for making stupid decisions.talon38 said:
Griz-O-Matic said:PlayerRep said:
That almost sounds illegal......
It wasn't illegal. Pflu's duties were redefined and they no longer included the duties as head coach. It was no different than relieving a professor of his duties of teaching a class, but with the professor still being an employee under his contract through the end of its term. By keeping him as employee through the end of the term UM minimized its exposure to any wrongful discharge claim Pflu may have had. I have no problem calling that "firing" him if PR wants to do so, but this whole pissing match goes back to PR disagreeing when I stated Pflu was still an "employee" of UM. He's wrong and he doesn't want to admit it.
kurtismichael
Well-known member
Cats2506 said:
Agreed. 12 pages of posts on this crap. Who cares if he was fired or bought out. Fact is, he is no longer the coach. Time to move on already. Agree to disagree. Let this thread die a natural death.
Griz-O-Matic
Well-known member
Because he wasn't fired...kurtismichael said:
kurtismichael
Well-known member
Griz-O-Matic said:Because he wasn't fired...kurtismichael said:
Did I say he was fired..no I said who cares. Read the post please.
Griz-O-Matic
Well-known member
kurtismichael said:Griz-O-Matic said:Because he wasn't fired...kurtismichael said:
Did I say he was fired..no I said who cares. Read the post please.
For fuck's sake, if you don't want to read it, go paint your nails.....
kurtismichael
Well-known member
Griz-O-Matic said:kurtismichael said:Griz-O-Matic said:Because he wasn't fired...kurtismichael said:
Did I say he was fired..no I said who cares. Read the post please.
For f***'s sake, if you don't want to read it, go paint your nails.....
It would be more productive than your and PR's arguement.
If you don't like my comment go give yourself a douche.
- Status
